China says Trump plan to move embassy in Israel could spark 'new hostility'

[snoop1130]

China says Trump plan to move embassy in Israel could spark 'new hostility'

 

A general view of Jerusalem shows the Dome of the Rock, located in Jerusalem's Old City on the compound known to Muslims as Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as Temple Mount, December 6, 2017. REUTERS/Ammar Awad

 

BEIJING (Reuters) - China expressed concern on Wednesday about U.S. President Donald Trump's reported intention to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital and relocate the U.S. Embassy to the ancient city, saying it could spark new hostility.

 

Senior U.S. officials said on Tuesday that Trump will recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Wednesday and set in motion the relocation of the U.S. Embassy to the city from Tel Aviv, a decision that risks fuelling violence in the Middle East.

 

The endorsement of Israel's claim to all of Jerusalem as its capital would reverse long-standing U.S. policy that the city's status must be decided in negotiations with the Palestinians, who want East Jerusalem as capital of their future state.

 

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a regular news briefing that the status of Jerusalem was a complicated and sensitive issue and China was concerned the U.S. decision "could sharpen regional conflict".

 

"All parties should do more for the peace and tranquillity of the region, behave cautiously, and avoid impacting the foundation for resolving the long-standing Palestine issue and initiating new hostility in the region," Geng said.

 

China has long maintained that Palestinians must be allowed to build an independent state, although it has traditionally played little role in Middle East conflicts or diplomacy, despite its reliance on the region for oil.

 

The process of moving the U.S. embassy is expected to take three to four years, according to U.S. officials, though Trump will not set a timetable.

 

The international community does not recognise Israeli sovereignty over the entire city, home to sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian religions.

 

(Reporting by Michael Martina)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-12-6

[darksidedog]

At least they didn't call him stark raving mad, which is what I believe many people are thinking. It is almost as if the more people tell him something is a bad idea, the more he wants to do it, seemingly just to prove that he can. This is a very bad idea and I shudder to think how many lives this moronic decision is likely to cost.

[tonbridgebrit]

Yes, Beijing knows that this is a highly dangerous move. Beijing might actually go and build a few more islands in the South China Sea during this time. Washington moving it's embassy to Jerusalem means that other stuff has been removed from the front page of the newspapers.

[212Roger]

Don't you think it's unique that the three largest religions in the world: Christianity, Islam, and the Jewish all follow the teachings of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus?  I believe, they all, originally, had more in common than they do now.  Basically, due to the powers that be: the priesthood, various Popes, man's human nature, have resulted in the bastardized current form of these three religions.  They all want Jerusalem.  They all want to rebuild the Temple Of Solomon.  This battle has been going on for thousands of years..  Many have predicted this ultimate confrontation.      

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, 212Roger said:

Don't you think it's unique that the three largest religions in the world: Christianity, Islam, and the Jewish all follow the teachings of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus?  I believe, they all, originally, had more in common than they do now.  Basically, due to the powers that be: the priesthood, various Popes, man's human nature, have resulted in the bastardized current form of these three religions.  They all want Jerusalem.  They all want to rebuild the Temple Of Solomon.  This battle has been going on for thousands of years..  Many have predicted this ultimate confrontation.      

 

Doubt Judaism ever qualified for one of the "three largest religions in the world".

All want to rebuild the Temple of Solomon? Eh?

There's no such battle which been on for "thousands of years".

 

[bristolgeoff]

he is only moving the embassy from one city to another.that is not a issue  as many countries have embassies in seperate parts of the country

[Scott]

2 minutes ago, bristolgeoff said:

he is only moving the embassy from one city to another.that is not a issue  as many countries have embassies in seperate parts of the country

Countries only have one embassy in a country.   They may have consulates, but only one embassy.   The exception is South Africa, because it has more than one capital city.  

[Somtamnication]

Orange Face Man really wants to antagonize the region. He is itching for WW3. Sad!

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Orange Face Man really wants to antagonize the region. He is itching for WW3. Sad!

 

Very doubtful.

[212Roger]

The U.S. has the right to move their embassy to Jerusalem.  There is no national or international law, pact, or agreement that prevents it.  Also, there is currently no peace talks.  Zero.  To say Trump is causing WW III, is ignorant.  The blame belongs to the complainers.  He has done nothing wrong.  The last four President's also said they plan to move the embassy...  That's the difference; Trump is a doer, not a talker, like Obama.  

[pegman]

1 hour ago, 212Roger said:

The U.S. has the right to move their embassy to Jerusalem.  There is no national or international law, pact, or agreement that prevents it.  Also, there is currently no peace talks.  Zero.  To say Trump is causing WW III, is ignorant.  The blame belongs to the complainers.  He has done nothing wrong.  The last four President's also said they plan to move the embassy...  That's the difference; Trump is a doer, not a talker, like Obama.  

That's an outright lie. Show a link that Obama EVER stated he would move the embassy. Where do you people get this garbage info from? 

[SpokaneAl]

That's an outright lie. Show a link that Obama EVER stated he would move the embassy. Where do you people get this garbage info from? 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/what-have-past-presidents-said-about-israel-and-jerusalem/9234736


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[dexterm]

On 12/8/2017 at 11:15 AM, 212Roger said:

The U.S. has the right to move their embassy to Jerusalem.  There is no national or international law, pact, or agreement that prevents it.  Also, there is currently no peace talks.  Zero.  To say Trump is causing WW III, is ignorant.  The blame belongs to the complainers.  He has done nothing wrong.  The last four President's also said they plan to move the embassy...  That's the difference; Trump is a doer, not a talker, like Obama.  

>>The U.S. has the right to move their embassy to Jerusalem.  There is no national or international law, pact, or agreement that prevents it.

Incorrect.

 

In 1980, Israel passed the "Jerusalem Law", stating that "Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel", formally annexing the whole city, which is contrary to  the Fourth Geneva Convention, to which Israel and the USA are signatories.
"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Article_49:_Deportations,_transfers,_evacuations

 

Later in 1980 the UN Security Council passed Resolution 478  declaring the Jerusalem law null and void.

 

Israel has since illegally transferred 200,000 Israeli Jews into East Jerusalem, while slowly ethnically cleansing Palestinians who were born in the city.

 

Israel and Trump are both contravening international law, UN resolutions, and the Oslo Peace Accords, to which they were also signatories which held that the status of Jerusalem was to be left to final peace negotiations.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2017 by dexterm

[Morch]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

>>The U.S. has the right to move their embassy to Jerusalem.  There is no national or international law, pact, or agreement that prevents it.

Incorrect.

 

In 1980, Israel passed the "Jerusalem Law", stating that "Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel", formally annexing the whole city, which is contrary to  the Fourth Geneva Convention, to which Israel and the USA are signatories.
"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Article_49:_Deportations,_transfers,_evacuations

 

Later in 1980 the UN Security Council passed Resolution 478  declaring the Jerusalem law null and void.

 

Israel has since illegally transferred 200,000 Israeli Jews into East Jerusalem, while slowly ethnically cleansing Palestinians who were born in the city.

 

Israel and Trump are both contravening international law, UN resolutions, and the Oslo Peace Accords, to which they were also signatories which held that the status of Jerusalem was to be left to final peace negotiations.

 

 

 

From Trump's statement:

 

Quote

 We are not taking a position on any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem, or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved.

 

[dexterm]

41 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

From Trump's statement:

 

 

He is well aware of Netanyahu's position on Jerusalem as the eternal and undivided city. So why say anything at all except to dog whistle endorse it?

Nice try as Trump apologist, no cigar.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, dexterm said:

He is well aware of Netanyahu's position on Jerusalem as the eternal and undivided city. So why say anything at all except to dog whistle endorse it?

Nice try as Trump apologist, no cigar.

 

Nice try painting me as a Trump apologist. My views on Trump are hardly a secret, though, so a pretty lame attempt there.

 

There are numerous articles, topics and posts detailing factors involved in Trump's decision. That you choose to narrow them down to one aspect, is expected, and not very interesting.

 

The fact remains, that Trump's statement actually does include caveats, whether you like to acknowledge them or not.

 

 

 

[Rhys]

.....let's have all them sit down for some DIM sum...

[dexterm]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Nice try painting me as a Trump apologist. My views on Trump are hardly a secret, though, so a pretty lame attempt there.

 

There are numerous articles, topics and posts detailing factors involved in Trump's decision. That you choose to narrow them down to one aspect, is expected, and not very interesting.

 

The fact remains, that Trump's statement actually does include caveats, whether you like to acknowledge them or not.

 

 

 

I have acknowledged his spurious get out of jail free caveat in other current posts. You have not acknowledged the totally illegal nature of Trump's official recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital in any form at all, as I outlined above for another poster.

Edited December 9, 2017 by dexterm

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, dexterm said:

I have acknowledged his spurious get out of jail free caveat in other current posts. You have not acknowledged the totally illegal nature of Trump's official recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital in any form at all, as I outlined above for another poster.

 

You have essentially dismissed the details in favor of your another vehement tirade. I have not acknowledged your view that Trump's statement is illegal, because you are not a legal authority. An extreme partisan layman laying down the law is nothing new on these forums, and usually not very interesting.

[dexterm]

48 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You have essentially dismissed the details in favor of your another vehement tirade. I have not acknowledged your view that Trump's statement is illegal, because you are not a legal authority. An extreme partisan layman laying down the law is nothing new on these forums, and usually not very interesting.

So now you have to be an international legal expert to be qualified to debate on this forum.
Links to Geneva Convention, UN resolutions not enough. But apparently your sayso is quite sufficient. Got it.

 

When the President of the USA and supposed free world flouts international law, as the OP Chinese suggest, we could be in for some new hostilities.

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

You have essentially dismissed the details in favor of your another vehement tirade. I have not acknowledged your view that Trump's statement is illegal, because you are not a legal authority. An extreme partisan layman laying down the law is nothing new on these forums, and usually not very interesting.

<delete repeat post> sorry

Edited December 9, 2017 by dexterm

[Orton Rd]

On 12/8/2017 at 12:42 PM, pegman said:

That's an outright lie. Show a link that Obama EVER stated he would move the embassy. Where do you people get this garbage info from? 

He was keen as was Bush who said he would and Clinton, only Trump had the guts

 

 

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, dexterm said:

So now you have to be an international legal expert to be qualified to debate on this forum.
Links to Geneva Convention, UN resolutions not enough. But apparently your sayso is quite sufficient. Got it.

 

When the President of the USA and supposed free world flouts international law, as the OP Chinese suggest, we could be in for some new hostilities.

 

More of your nonsense. You do not have to be a legal expert, and others do not have to take your laymen legal interpretations seriously. Sounds fair enough to me. Wholesale links to "Geneva Convention, UN resolutions" are not by themselves an indication that the interpretation you push is correct.