SURVEY: Health Care for All -- Good or Bad?

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5 hours ago, Sirbergan said:

The US is a country where you have the most homeless and/or chronically homeless people in the western world, while you also have some of the richest people in the world. Look at other countries, and how people are punished for offenses - is it not time to implement a system where people pay percentages of their income when caught for offenses? Is it not time to tax people with higher incomes more? The latest tax law you passed is going to make the 1% richest people even richer. Taxing those people could pay for your healthcare system, but it's just not the American way.

 

 

 

 

Please try to provide links to your claims as it makes your posts more meaningful for others.

 

Thanks..

 

[Rhys]

Interesting, but it reflects your culture and home country... Is health care a right or privilege?   Somewhere in the middle.  Give it free it is not valued and abused.. Health Education and wellness program may help...but in the end, HMOs  Health Maintenace Organization become for-profit institutions.   The system of training health care professional on the country's pocket and then having those trained health professional serve in the needed areas for 4-6 years seems a proven solution, for providing affordable care.  However,  the AMA is too powerful and specialization of services and medical technologies justifies the Insurance Company calling the shot in the delivery of healthcare.   

[hawker9000]

11 hours ago, Nurseynutcase said:

I would add a proviso to universal healthcare.

 

I worked in the NHS in the Uk and saw how was abused by so many, so often.  So much so that the system is creaking at the seams.

 

Perhaps exclude some procedures and lifestyle drugs from the list of free drugs - if that is what is being planned.

 

Such a universal system here in Thailand needs to be VERY carefully managed and implemented, with clear guidelines on what treatment/procedures will be provided and what will not be provided

What's actually "creaking at the seams" is the global population, not some whack-a-mole healthcare system.  In not so many years you'll all be asking how to even FEED everyone, let alone provide healthcare for them.   (Starvation and scarcity of clean water are actually already at crisis proportions in some parts of the world.)

 

"Careful management" of healthcare systems (i.e., more oversight, more regulation, more reporting, more red tape) will only lead to more & more bureaucratization, ever increasing costs & delays, and ever decreasing efficiencies & privacy.  Most doctors already march to the beat of somebody's interests other than the patient's.  And those who were already sacrificing to pay through the nose for what they felt was quality healthcare will watch helplessly as it degrades to mediocre at best ... while its cost keeps climbing.   ...The epically sad story of the decline of American public education all over again   Amazing how many slow learners just don't get what happens to just about everything big government sticks its "progressive" nose and grasping, sticky fingers into.  But snowflakes love that stuff.

 

Edited December 26, 2017 by hawker9000

[rickudon]

Private health care doesn't need to be excluded, but when it is the main player it becomes a FOR PROFIT concept. That is why so expensive in the USA. Attempts to introduce more private involvement in the UK has had mixed results. New hospitals built under PFI (Private Finance Initiative) did mean spanking new hospitals, but the repayments on them have near bankrupted some NHS regional authorities. On the other hand, outsourcing some operations to Private hospitals (which are usually under utilised) allows the NHS to deal with some  operation backlogs.

 

And, of course, the NHS isn't all free. Some services still have to be paid for unless you are on benefits. It is a bit like a budget hotel, it provides the basics and keeps you off the streets, if you want more luxurious treatment, up to you.

 

My ex-wife was a nurse, who worked both private and NHS. When she was working with private cancer patients, they got TV and nice private rooms, but they usually still died. And if an operation develops complications in the private sector, they will sometimes pack you off to the NHS in an ambulance (that happened to one relative of ex-wife). The private sector doesn't want you if they think they have to fix their own problems.

 

How many have been shafted on Private health insurance, once you become sick or older? At least i know that the NHS will still look after me (albeit somewhat slowly).

 

The big issue is the ageing population. My mother spent 6 years in a nursing home (one area the NHS does not really cover) and ate up most of the inheritance.

 

 

[212Roger]

On 12/26/2017 at 4:31 PM, SNUMAND said:

Nothing free about free healthcare.

 

Exactly, free for deadbeats but the working man ends up paying for it.  It is not fair for some people to pay for others...

[SNUMAND]

On 26/12/2017 at 11:05 AM, scorecard said:

Everybody knows that, nothing wrong with helping each other to have good health care.

I did not say that , i said there is nothing free about free health care, i live in a country with free healthcare and  i tell you its not free.

[SNUMAND]

On 26/12/2017 at 8:54 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

Universal healthcare is the cheapest, fairest, most effective means of ensuring a productive population and a stable society. And it is a right, not a privilege. 

 

@Scott mentions the US in his question above. My native country provides healthcare to all its citizens with superior results at half the cost of the US. The US "system" is one of the stupidest public policy decisions ever seen. No mandate for insurance, yet a law that says that hospitals must provide healthcare to any who show up at an emergency room (the MOST expensive healthcare there is). I guess that it is better than a policy which says "die on the street, and make it quick.", but not by a whole lot.

 

Thailand should provide the same level of care to ALL its citizens that it provides to its civil servants or military; that is the best way of ensuring that the government achieves the best practices possible at the most effective price. If the people that run the system use the system, then it'll be a good one. If the people who run the system don't use it, it'll be a half-ass mishmash of crap.

 

Universal healthcare is the way to go. All other system unfairly discriminate against people for their birth or for unforeseen circumstances in life. To those who don't like universal healthcare, isn't cancer in a child a great leveler? And why should one family be able to access care for their child while another cannot?

 

Universal care all the way.

What  country do you live in ? 

Edited December 29, 2017 by SNUMAND

[SNUMAND]

On 26/12/2017 at 1:16 PM, sirineou said:

I did not see anything about "Free Care" in this survey. but please, feel free to change the subject.

Who the heck wants to talk about "Universal Health Care" when we can talk about "free care",, other than the OP. and most TVF members.

I will be 61 in June(not deaf yet so no need to shout at me with caps LOL), and I can't wait until 65 so that the Government can control my health care. Sick and tired of Wall Street controlling it now

Healthcare for all ,not free? then you will never have healthcare for all.

[sirineou]

32 minutes ago, SNUMAND said:

Healthcare for all ,not free? then you will never have healthcare for all.

The straw man propaganda devise. Erect a straw man argument and then easily knock it down.

You do not live in a country with free health care , you live in a country with Universal coverage.

Health care in such countries  is financed by tax revenue as are other social programs.

Nowhere is such system described as "free healthcare"

It is described as Universal and the  definition "universal health care" implies health care for all. 

When People came together and formed a country, they agreed to pool their resources towards a common good,  The argument is how far should such social contract go and what is the best way to implement and manage such social contract,

I argue that a universal defense against external and internal threats (army, police) is to everyone's good  and all should contribute bases on their ability

  . A central monetary system to protect and promote the national wealth. 

  A universally funded infrastructure system to facilitate wealth growth. 

   I would assume one would prefer an educated country over an ignorant country, so a universal education system.

  And  I would assume one would prefer a country with healthy citizens .Health care provided by system with best results for least cost..

Some people call all of the above "Socialism"  I call it Civilisation.   

Edited December 29, 2017 by sirineou

[Eric Loh]

Singapore is the second best country in the world with their healthcare system. 

 

For a population of about 4.5 million, SIngapore spend more in healthcare than Thailand with a much larger population. It is necessary for a healthy and productive workforce. The longer life expectancy also allows older people to continue working and not depend on social welfare. Life expectancy is about 82 years. 

 

Singapor subsidized hospital and medicines. If a more serious illness that requires specialty care, they have a range of affordable subsidized insurance programs. The premium is paid from the Medisave account which is part of the Central Providence Fund which is a saving account paid equally by the employee and employer each month. 

 

I think Thailand is moving towards a type of CPF and maybe they can emulate the Singapore system in healthcare coverage. 

 

 

 

[Coconutman]

Yes america has yhe most expencive healthcare

1 its the best rarely have to wait for surgery if not an emergency.

2 ridiculous lawsuits

,people that go to the emergency room for a cold and uninsured drive up the costs.

 

I think thailand has the answer. Want the nice stuff get insurance w or if you want to share a eard with 30 people and 20 people per nurse use the public system.

 

The first word i hear about national healthcate is its free.

 

Well its not free you pay for it in taxes ect but it not as expensive as private healthcare 

Edited December 29, 2017 by Coconutman