Money needed for retirement visa

[charliebadenhop]

I am a US citizen. I receive money from the US govt. and the Japanese government.

 

The affidavit form for the US Embassy states "money from US sources" or words to that effect.

 

Can I give them a figure that includes my money from the Japanese government?

 

Edited January 3, 2018 by charliebadenhop

[Tanoshi]

As you don't have to actually provide proof of your income to obtain the affidavit, I don't think a 'white lie' will make any difference.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

Can I give them a figure that includes my money from the Japanese government?

Yes you can.

[charliebadenhop]

ok, great!

 

I hadn't noticed the wording before, and I would be under the necessary amount if I could only count funds from the US.

 

 

[Rdrokit]

They count any income you have no matter where it comes from..

[charliebadenhop]

The last day of my O visa with retirement extension is Jan. 14, which is a Sunday.

How many days grace period for renewing late?

 

And when I do renew does my 90 day reporting start anew? 

 

 

[Tanoshi]

8 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

The last day of my O visa with retirement extension is Jan. 14, which is a Sunday.

How many days grace period for renewing late?

 

And when I do renew does my 90 day reporting start anew? 

 

 

There is no grace period for renewing your extension late, although if the date falls on a Sunday, you would be allowed to do it on Monday.

You can apply for a new extension up to 30 days before the due date.

Why leave it until the last day?

 

90 day reporting is separate to renewing an extension.

The IO could/or not give you a new report date depending on when your report date is due.

Edited January 4, 2018 by Tanoshi

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

The last day of my O visa with retirement extension is Jan. 14, which is a Sunday.

How many days grace period for renewing late?

There is no grace period. Since your extension ends when immigration will be closed you can go on Monday the 15th and not be fined 500 baht for an overstay. After the 15th you would fined 500 baht for every day of overstay.

 

8 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

And when I do renew does my 90 day reporting start anew? 

 

You 90 day reporting date will not change unless immigration does a new report for you which most offices don't do.

[Rdrokit]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

There is no grace period for renewing your extension late, although if the date falls on a Sunday, you would be allowed to do it on Monday.

You can apply for a new extension up to 30 days before the due date.

Why leave it until the last day?

You can go up to 2 weeks prior to your extension date. Better to go early as if you need a document you didn't have you could come back the next day. If you wait till the last day and have to come back then you overstayed your visa.

[charliebadenhop]

Thanks Joe! 

 

I will go on the 15th!

 

 

[charliebadenhop]

Yes, ok, maybe better to go early!

 

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, charliebadenhop said:

Thanks Joe! 

 

I will go on the 15th!

 

 

Risky, your obviously a gambling man.  

[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, Rdrokit said:

You can go up to 2 weeks prior to your extension date. Better to go early as if you need a document you didn't have you could come back the next day. If you wait till the last day and have to come back then you overstayed your visa.

You can go up to 30 days prior to your extension date (some offices 45 days) and you haven't overstayed your Visa.

Your Visa expired a long time ago, you'd be overstaying your extension of permission to stay. (Permit, not a Visa)

[charliebadenhop]

Is this everything I will need to renew my visa?

 

Completed TM7- Printed 2 sided.
Passport 
Bank book
Letter from Bank confirming balance and statement 
Photos- 3 would be best, just in case 4 X 6 cm. 
Proof of residence, and they might want a copy of your rental contract.

(What do I show as proof of residence?)
Foreign National Information Form 

One COPY of the following-
Passport photo page, visa, entry stamp, current extension and all other pages  that have something for Thailand on it.

(Does this mean I need to make a copy of every page showing past visas, etc.?)
TM6 departure card
Bank book pages for three months. The money will need to be in the bank for 3 months. 
Bank book ID page
Do I need a copy of the bank letter?

Copies of 
All previous retirement extensions
Passport notification of residence (paper stamped into passport). ???

[Tanoshi]

You can only renew a Visa at a Thai Embassy/Consulate.

You are renewing your permission to stay for another 1 year.

 

This is what I advise to take:

1. Completed Form TM7.(Must be printed on both sides of 1 sheet).

2. Passport + Copies of;

- Homepage

- Last Visa.

- Last Extension permit

- Last entry stamp

3. Proof of Address. (dependant on your situation)

Condo owners;

- Blue Tabien Baan. (foreigners name will not appear in the book) + Copy.

- Title Deeds (Chanute) + Copy

- Yellow Tabien Baan (if you possess one) + Copy.

Rented;

- Copy of House owners Tabien Baan and ID card.

- Rental agreement + Copy

- Yellow Tabien Baan (if you possess one) + Copy

Private None Rented;

- Copy of House owners Tabien Baan and ID card.

- Yellow Tabien + Copy(if you possess one).

4. Map pinpointing and detailing address location.

5. TM6 Departure card + Copy.

6. Passport photo 4 x 6 cm.

7.Proof of Funds;

If using the funds in the bank method an updated passbook and letter from the bank dated the same

day as the application. Funds in the passbook and letter must match.

If using the income method, a letter from your Embassy confirming income, OR,

you can use a combination of the two methods providing it adds up to 800,000 baht per annum.

 

All copies should be certified by signing them.

Edited January 4, 2018 by Tanoshi

[charliebadenhop]

Thanks so much!

 

Edited January 4, 2018 by Maestro
Deleted non-English paragraph.

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post (This topic is about the US Embassy)

[charliebadenhop]

I went to the US consulate today. Had an 8:30 appt. Got there 20 minutes early and I was OUT by 8:30.

 

Keep in mind that you are not allowed to bring your laptop etc. Not sure if they will let you place a backpack etc. off to the side. If they don't then you will be stuck if you bring a bag.

 

AND I am wondering...

 

Will getting a bank letter dated the day before I go to immigration to renew... will this be good enough?

 

Asking because I would prefer to get to immigration early. 

 

TIA,

Charlie

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

 

Will getting a bank letter dated the day before I go to immigration to renew... will this be good enough?

You do not need a bank letter if you are using the 65k baht income option. It is only needed if using the money in the bank or the combination of the 2 option.

[Tanoshi]

If your monthly income meets the 65K requirement, then just the proof of income letter from your Embassy is all that is required.

The letter is valid for 6 months.

 

If you were using the 800K funds in the bank method, then an updated passbook and letter from the bank is required.

 

If using a combination of say 400K in the bank and a monthly income of 40K, then you would need a letter from your Embassy confirming the 40K income, and an updated passbook and letter from the bank confirming the 400K deposit in a bank account.

[charliebadenhop]

I am using a combination of the two- income doc. plus bank book.

 

Can I get the letter today and go to immigration tomorrow?

 

I hate to have to show up late. 

[Tanoshi]

5 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

Can I get the letter today and go to immigration tomorrow?

That depends on your IO. Some insist the updated passbook and bank letter are dated the same day as the application.

Make sure the amount in your passbook and the amount stated on the letter match.

 

No problem with the date on the Embassy letter.

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, charliebadenhop said:

I am using a combination of the two- income doc. plus bank book.

 

Can I get the letter today and go to immigration tomorrow?

 

I hate to have to show up late. 

Usually, in Bangkok, they want the letter to be dated the same day as the application. If arriving early at immigration, you may be able to get a queue number, then rush downstairs to the bank for the latter. As I recall, this usually takes about 15-20 minutes.

[charliebadenhop]

As always.... thanks for all the help so far. 

 

I am not sure what the immigration officer was trying to tell me today-

I get $1.077 a month in social security, and at B31 to the US$ that equals B400,644 a year. My bank book never showed less than B460,000.

 

He seemed to say (in rather bad English) "I help you today, but not again,"

 

I of course had the doc from the US consulate, and the bank letter, etc. Was I supposed to present him with something else?

 

I got the bank letter signed yesterday and went to Immigration today. He did not mention anything about the bank letter needing today's date.

 

 

[NancyL]

On 1/4/2018 at 1:16 PM, Tanoshi said:

You can only renew a Visa at a Thai Embassy/Consulate.

You are renewing your permission to stay for another 1 year.

 

This is what I advise to take:

1. Completed Form TM7.(Must be printed on both sides of 1 sheet).

2. Passport + Copies of;

- Homepage

- Last Visa.

- Last Extension permit

- Last entry stamp

3. Proof of Address. (dependant on your situation)

Condo owners;

- Blue Tabien Baan. (foreigners name will not appear in the book) + Copy.

- Title Deeds (Chanute) + Copy

- Yellow Tabien Baan (if you possess one) + Copy.

Rented;

- Copy of House owners Tabien Baan and ID card.

- Rental agreement + Copy

- Yellow Tabien Baan (if you possess one) + Copy

Private None Rented;

- Copy of House owners Tabien Baan and ID card.

- Yellow Tabien + Copy(if you possess one).

4. Map pinpointing and detailing address location.

5. TM6 Departure card + Copy.

6. Passport photo 4 x 6 cm.

7.Proof of Funds;

If using the funds in the bank method an updated passbook and letter from the bank dated the same

day as the application. Funds in the passbook and letter must match.

If using the income method, a letter from your Embassy confirming income, OR,

you can use a combination of the two methods providing it adds up to 800,000 baht per annum.

 

All copies should be certified by signing them.

The is a bit of "overkill" depending up which office the OP is using.  For example, in Chiang Mai, for a retirement extension, it's not required to bring all the documents related to home ownership or rental, but rather evidence of an up-to-date filing of a TM30.  If this hasn't been done, it should be before application for an extension.  Also, no need for a map to one's location for a retirement extension.  You do need a copy of your original visa or visa transfer details from the first page of your passport, however, in Chiang Mai.  And a bank letter can be dated within 7 days of application, with the bankbook updated the same day as the bank letter.  You may be asked to update the bankbook on the day of application in a bank machine in the mall.  There is no way you can obtain a bank letter on the day of application since applicants in Chiang Mai have to arrive before 8.30 am to obtain a queue number.

[Tanoshi]

7 hours ago, charliebadenhop said:

I of course had the doc from the US consulate, and the bank letter, etc. Was I supposed to present him with something else?

Updated bank passbook and a copy?

[charliebadenhop]

Well yes, I definitely had both of those.

 

He did a bunch of work with his calculator, for at least ten minutes, and he seemed a bit confused actually. He told me to sit down, and used his calculator maybe two more times. 

So I thought there might be some form to fill in that would show what the Baht-$ rate was doing the three months, or something like that. 

 

The immigration people are meant to do the calculation on their own?

 

 

[Tanoshi]

42 minutes ago, charliebadenhop said:

The immigration people are meant to do the calculation on their own?

They use the Bangkok bank TT rate as the rate of calculation.

He probably confused himself with the calculation. 

 

A friend once exchanged £500 at a well known bank when it was 52bht = £1.

After checking his calculations 3 times, the teller still issued him an envelope with over 260,000 baht.