British man arrested over death of bar girl in Pattaya

[sanemax]

42 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

I hope a lot of the posters on here never get do jury service. Poor sod ain’t got a chance. 

Lets be realistic about this :

If we were on jury service , then we would hear both the defense and the prosecution and then come to a decision .

   At the moment, we just have what information has been published , and going on that info, suggests that he is guilty of manslaughter or murder .

  Going by the majority of posters on here, many seem to be making excuses for him

[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, KiChakayan said:

Railings are just at the right height to sit her on it. He must have tried to raise her legs.

This is a classic..

Sorry to be a bit graphic, I understand that for some posters here, sex is a crime.

If that's what happened it would surely be manslaughter. I'd never endanger someone's life in that way.

But only IF that's what happened.

[sanemax]

24 minutes ago, KiChakayan said:

Not his nationality! The other way around he would have commited suicide, period.

And that would be a reasonable assumption, because short time bar girls have no inclination to throw a customer off a balcony , even saying that , if it had indeed been the other way around, the RTP would have investigated

[MaeJoMTB]

8 minutes ago, Senior Player said:

there are some here having difficulty understanding the report of erectile disfunction drugs. For such a young stud this guy must have psychological problems not to get it up without the aid of Kamagra.

Just to point out many of us make recreational use of 'erectile dysfunction drugs' to combat a night's drinking.

It's not a psychological problem, or an age related problem, it's a too much alcohol problem.

Edited January 8, 2018 by MaeJoMTB

[Rolanddrums]

I agree, yes is nice condo, high modern balconies. Nothing I'm aware of that could be stepped upon/ sat upon during sex.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Rolanddrums

[MaeJoMTB]

2 minutes ago, Rolanddrums said:

I agree, yes is nice condo, high modern balconies. Nothing I'm aware of that could be stepped upon/ sat upon during a leg over.

You missed 'bent over' which is the normal position for balcony sex.

Have none of you been to Pattaya?

Edited January 8, 2018 by MaeJoMTB

[gunnerterry]

On yesterdays report, it said the security man heard a 'thud' and found the girl on the ground barely alive. It has puzzled me that surely if she fell by accident she would have a screamed! but it wasn't mentioned that he heard a scream. If there was no scream it may be that she had been strangled, presumed dead and throw over the rail!  Anyhow if this guy murdered her then well done to the police for catching him quickly.   

[Rolanddrums]

Still too high for an average small thai girl IMO .. Hang on I will try and recreate it with the Mrs when she comes out the shower.. I live in similar spec condo/balcony

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Rolanddrums said:

Still too high for an average small thai girl IMO .. Hang on I will try and recreate it with the Mrs when she comes out the shower.. I live in similar spec condo/balcony

Great alibi, look forward to reading about the "accident" tomorrow on TV :)

[Senior Player]

1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Just to point out many of us make recreational use of 'erectile dysfunction drugs' to combat a night's drinking.

It's not a psychological problem, or an age problem, it's a too much alcohol problem.

When I was 25 I never needed the aid of an aphrodisiac after a skinful. I’m now 55 and still don’t need them after a skinful. Besides, this guy looks fit. Sorry, but I just don’t understand why a fit 25 year-old would need an aphrodisiac. But that’s a moot point as the culprit wasn’t so drunk that he couldn’t do a runner and check-in to a hotel elsewhere afterwards. Of course, I don’t want to muddy the water by banging on about erectile disjunction.

[Enoon]

26 minutes ago, Senior Player said:

As others have pointed out, The Sun reports possession of the gir’s phone, so he’s a thief as well as a coward. Another overstayer giving legitimate visa holders a bad name. Stole a motorbike as well. The report also includes a packet of Kamagra oral jelly which was found next to her body which gave the first clue that she wasn’t alone. I mention this as there are some here having difficulty understanding the report of erectile disfunction drugs. For such a young stud this guy must have psychological problems not to get it up without the aid of Kamagra. Clearly he wasn’t that drunk that he couldn’t scarper immediately after her death and check into another hotel.

 

 

 

The thing about Viagra is that it is taken by men who don't "need" it, but want to keep pumping away like demons for hours on end.

 

That is why a "normally" potent friend of mine uses it and recommends it to me, among others.

 

I was told, by a working girl, that it is no fun for a professional who unwittingly negotiates "long time" with one of them.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2018 by Enoon

[KiChakayan]

4 minutes ago, Senior Player said:

I just don’t understand why a fit 25 year-old would need an aphrodisiac.

Viagra, or Kamagra, are not aphrodisiacs. They only facilitate the flow of blood to the penis, and other parts of the body, by "relaxing" the blood vessels. Hence one of the side effects is hypotension.

If your libido is gone it may still give you some erection, but only lead to boring sex. 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Senior Player said:

When I was 25 I never needed the aid of an aphrodisiac after a skinful. I’m now 55 and still don’t need them after a skinful. Besides, this guy looks fit. Sorry, but I just don’t understand why a fit 25 year-old would need an aphrodisiac. But that’s a moot point as the culprit wasn’t so drunk that he couldn’t do a runner and check-in to a hotel elsewhere afterwards. Of course, I don’t want to muddy the water by banging on about erectile disjunction.

There was already a used condom found in the room .

Maybe he wanted another go, but couldnt get an erection

She went into her handbag , got the aphrodisiac out , he got upset and pushed her and she went over 

[ttrd]

8 minutes ago, Senior Player said:

When I was 25 I never needed the aid of an aphrodisiac after a skinful. I’m now 55 and still don’t need them after a skinful. Besides, this guy looks fit. Sorry, but I just don’t understand why a fit 25 year-old would need an aphrodisiac. But that’s a moot point as the culprit wasn’t so drunk that he couldn’t do a runner and check-in to a hotel elsewhere afterwards. Of course, I don’t want to muddy the water by banging on about erectile disjunction.

RE - Sorry, but I just don’t understand why a fit 25 year-old would need an aphrodisiac

 

It doesnt help much to be physical fit if you at the same time are mental ill...

[sanemax]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he had taken a bar girl back for sex in the room - they continued their sex on the balcony when she fell.

Although that is just his claim and it hasnt been confirmed .

He may be lying to try to make it appear as an accident

[Kadilo]

5 minutes ago, Benroon said:

It’s amazing how much guesswork and groundless suppositions you can get in one paragraph too ! 

I think his surname is Kyle 

[Herbie 100]

8 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Why would a 26yo man need to be anywhere near bargirls [prostitutes], and on Viagra too? Poor girl probably refused unreasonable sexual demands and things deteriorated from there,[ it's amazing how fast the 'girlfriend experience' can turn nasty], violence resulted, girl gets thrown off balcony. If this is the case I hope he gets 50years in Bang Kwang. 

I love how from a very basic news report you can extrapolate that the guy was on Viagra..Made Unreasonable demands and got violent???...and what has his age got to do with it?It must be a very strange place in your head...love the innocent before guilty approach you would be great on a jury..opps thinking of someone else!

[janclaes47]

10 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Why would a 26yo man need to be anywhere near bargirls [prostitutes], and on Viagra too? Poor girl probably refused unreasonable sexual demands and things deteriorated from there,[ it's amazing how fast the 'girlfriend experience' can turn nasty], violence resulted, girl gets thrown off balcony. If this is the case I hope he gets 50years in Bang Kwang. 

 

Where does it say he used viagra?

Where does it say there were unreasonable sexual demands?

 

Where does it say there was violence?

 

Oh, I get it it, you are just a troll.

 

[Chivas]

What on earth was doing in a bar when he was arrested.....??  Just waiting to be arrested in seems ??  No indication that he tried to flee the country which stands in his favour

[janclaes47]

16 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Although that is just his claim and it hasnt been confirmed .

He may be lying to try to make it appear as an accident

 

Although that is just your claim.

 

You may be just trolling, and it was an accident, which you try to make appear as murder.

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

 

Although that is just your claim.

 

You may be just trolling, and it was an accident, which you try to make appear as murder.

It didnt make any claim , I used the word "may" , which is just giving a possibility . 

It may have been an accident (theres that word again "may")and it may not have

[smotherb]

6 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Your the 2nd one who is trying to make light of this.

 

A girl had fallen to her death, tragic as it is, he still should have had the decency to call it in, regardless, if he had nothing to hide, it would of perhaps helped his cause, but to walk away from it, drunk, on drugs or whatever, doesn't make it right.

 

Damn sick people in this world, just listen to yourself, he is just a lad, tell that to your wife when the cops ring your place and tell you, your daughter just fell of a balcony when she was being shagged by a customer, he is just a lad, but we found him though, 2-3-4 days later at a bar, ah, no Mr smotherb he didn't ring anybody to say she fell, he was stressed.

 

4MyEgo, it was meant facetiously. It is obvious you have not followed a series of posts between me and several Brits who defended Drunken Brits getting into fights calling it young lads having a simple row or some such light banter. However, as you note, there was at least one more poster who made light of this situation; that attitude apparently exists.

[sawadee1947]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

Placing her on a balcony and thrusting, would be manslaughter

Dead is dead anyway. Sad end of an encounter 

[TomJoad]

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Yes, because the Thai justice system is known for its fairness and forensic abilities.  Just ask the 2 Burmese guys.

 

Still pretty cold hearted not to call for help, don't you think? 

[saakura]

Alcohol+Viagra+Yaabaa+Monger + Pattaya Bargirl + Balcony = Unpleasant Death.

Edited January 8, 2018 by saakura

[sanemax]

10 minutes ago, Chivas said:

What on earth was doing in a bar when he was arrested.....??  Just waiting to be arrested in seems ??  No indication that he tried to flee the country which stands in his favour

He was on an overstay and maybe he didnt have the 20 000 Baht to pay the overstay fine .

He may have realised, or thought that as the Police knew his identity , he could have been flagged by immigration and arrested when trying to leave

[CG1 Blue]

Comments from co-workers at the bar where she worked:

 

Devastated staff at the venue said Wannipa was one of the "happiest, friendliest girls anybody could wish to meet".

They added in a statement: "As many of you know we lost our beautiful Joy [on Saturday] morning.

"The place will not be the same without Joy's big cheeky smile and sense of humour.

"She really was a very special girl and left a lasting impression on all of us. She will remain in our hearts forever."

 

It's also highly likely she was supporting a child / children.  Very sad.

Edited January 8, 2018 by CG1 Blue

[Chivas]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

He was on an overstay and maybe he didnt have the 20 000 Baht to pay the overstay fine .

He may have realised, or thought that as the Police knew his identity , he could have been flagged by immigration and arrested when trying to leave

In that case guilty and bang to rights...if he wasn't in the country she wouldnt have died. Case closed

[Sam6]

10 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Guilty just on the simple fact that he didn't call anyone for help, guilty written all over it.

                                                               At least this guy will not worry about visa in Thailand.  He has now a permanent residence.  What a pity! Just because of sex!

Edited January 8, 2018 by Rimmer

[Senior Player]

16 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

 

Where does it say he used viagra?

Where does it say there were unreasonable sexual demands?

 

Where does it say there was violence?

 

Oh, I get it it, you are just a troll.

It’s been reported elsewhere in other news outlets that have given more information on her death. Though the brand of Viagra is perhaps incorrect, it was Kamagra, it’s the same aphrodisiac under a different name.

 

it doesn’t state that the suspect made unreasonable sexual demands, but as a girl lies dead after being pushed from a balcony, it’s not too far a leap of logic how this unfortunate series of events unfolded. 

 

I’m not sure what constitutes being a troll, as there’s nothing apart from fact and supposition in Jenny’s remarks.