British man arrested over death of bar girl in Pattaya

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, Chivas said:

In that case guilty and bang to rights...if he wasn't in the country she wouldnt have died. Case closed

I do realise that you are just being ironic/sarcastic and trying to be clever .

But I do feel that this isnt the place for those kind of remarks , as it gets confusing trying to work out whether posts are genuine or sarcastic

[AGareth2]

the question is what the judge believes

[janclaes47]

Just now, Senior Player said:

It’s been reported elsewhere in other news outlets that have given more information on her death. Though the brand of Viagra is perhaps incorrect, it was Kamagra, it’s the same aphrodisiac under a different name.

 

it doesn’t state that the suspect made unreasonable sexual demands, but as a girl lies dead after being pushed from a balcony, it’s not too far a leap of logic how this unfortunate series of events unfolded. 

 

I’m not sure what constitutes being a troll, as there’s nothing apart from fact and supposition in Jenny’s remarks.

 

First of all, what is reported in other news outlets has nothing to do with the article discussed here.

 

Where was it reported that she was pushed from the balcony?

[4MyEgo]

18 minutes ago, smotherb said:

4MyEgo, it was meant facetiously. It is obvious you have not followed a series of posts between me and several Brits who defended Drunken Brits getting into fights calling it young lads having a simple row or some such light banter. However, as you note, there was at least one more poster who made light of this situation; that attitude apparently exists.

Lets just say, it went straight over the top and call it British banter, shall we...

[Sam6]

Oh! Yes.  He got a resettlement. The love of sex have made many falangs go back home in coffins. Travel from far away to look for sex, and jailed for life? Stupid man.

[4MyEgo]

19 minutes ago, Benroon said:

'THREW'

Yes, yes number 2, rush rush, mistakes happen as does shit

[Chivas]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I do realise that you are just being ironic/sarcastic and trying to be clever .

But I do feel that this isnt the place for those kind of remarks , as it gets confusing trying to work out whether posts are genuine or sarcastic

Nope I was being serious......only matter of time before it comes into play nailed on with industrial rivets

[sanemax]

Just now, Chivas said:

Nope I was being serious......only matter of time before it comes into play nailed on with industrial rivets

Ah OK, so you feel that if he wasnt in Thailand , then she wouldnt have died , so he deserves to get jailed for murder ?

   I do feel that he should be found guilty of murder, before being jailed for it , simply just being in Thailand isnt sufficient to find him guilty

[cornishcarlos]

6 hours ago, shaul19 said:

Only that he rented that room was there when she fall and didnt call the police is a reason to arreset him

 

Thanks but when I posted, that part of the story hadn't come out yet :)

[Senior Player]

24 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

 

First of all, what is reported in other news outlets has nothing to do with the article discussed here.

 

Where was it reported that she was pushed from the balcony?

I think you need to chill out, mate. Of course it has everything to do with this discussion. If a British news outlet has decided to delve further into the circumstances of this girl’s death and one it’s own country’s citizens, then it’s obvious to the most blinkered of individuals that the British journalists have uncovered more details. There’s no need to be so obtuse. As for where was it reported that she was pushed? The suspect claims it was due to vigorous sex. You want me to draw you a picture of how thrusting from behind doesn’t involve being pushed from behind? The question isn’t so much whether she was pushed, it was whether it was intentional to cause this girl’s death and whether he gave her a helping hand to get over the modern, not low, balcony railing. Also, who are you to decide whether new information is admissible to these comments? Are you part of the newly formed wing of the Stasi police?

[brling]

9 hours ago, balo said:

Why will anyone defend a coward who runs away from the scene ? If he was innocent and it was an accident he would have called for help. But no he ran away, guilty in my book.

It is you that usually defends Thai cowards. You would not have chimed in if it was  a Thai arrested.

[Chivas]

Its hit the Daily Mail online with messages of revulsion coming in every few seconds (over the sex trade)

Two (British) people have highlighted what I said earlier in that if he abided by his visa he wouldnt have been in the country so if they can see it so clearly thai prosecutors will have no problem likewise

 

The boy is toast

Edited January 8, 2018 by Chivas

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Chivas said:

Its hit the Daily Mail online with messages of revulsion coming in every few seconds (over the sex trade)

Two (British) people have highlighted what I said early in that if he abided by his visa he wouldnt have been in the country so if they can see it so clearly thai prosecutors will have no problem likewise The boy is toast

The Thai authorities do not take guidance from Daily mail readers

[Chivas]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The Thai authorities do not take guidance from Daily mail readers

lol whatever buddy.....you're quoting me endlessly for some reason.

[hangdonger]

Unless he or his family have deep pockets then i think he screwed

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, Benroon said:

Guilty of ?

 

I have no idea if the guy is guilty or not as I wasn't there but panicking or cowardice are not crimes

As I said before, guilty for not calling it in, i.e. he witnessed a girl fall from his balcony to her death, except he decided to go and have a few drink to release his stress, and stay away from the place he was staying at, not report the fact that someone fell to their death off of his balcony, obviously no guilt on his part you say, but under law, he is guilty of a what looks to be a crime based on his cowardice actions, as he says, he was bonking her on the balcony and she fell, well he is going to have to prove that now isn't he, or was she pushed/thrown ?

 

Perhaps you could read up on some Thai law, in particular the Good Samaritan Law. 

 

Besides that, I believe most good citizens around the world would have called it in, no need to go downstairs if in fear of being beaten, or whatever pee weak excuse others have tried to deliver, things happen, and if the rail gave way and she fell, well that can be assessed, but as far as bonking on a balcony rail, don't believe you will find any Thai women getting up on one, as I would assume they would be afraid of heights, as most people are, especially with a stranger who wants to full-fill his fantasy, i.e. to bonk her on the balcony or maybe take it to the next level and throw her off the balcony while he is bonking her, and just walk away.  

 

Edited January 8, 2018 by 4MyEgo

[patrick1968]

sex on the balcony !! 

[Dumbastheycome]

The   very  fact  he  quietly  excused  himself  from  the  scenario even  in the  knowledge  a  fall  from  the  5th  floor  would  likely have  serious if  not  fatal  outcome qualifies  him  for  arrest! If whatever  happened  that  eventuated  in her  fall was  truely  accidental then  he  has lesser excuse  for  doing a  runner. 

The  fact  that  he  callously exited without any demonstrated   concern  for  the  woman  indicates a  more sinister event. 

Obviously  she   cannot  provide information  as  to what occurred  so  a  grand  story of  denial of  responsibility  will emerge.

Denial  is  a  universal  trait,  not a  Thai  trait.

Truely  accidental  or   not he  deserves an  outcome appropriate to  his callous  inhumane actions in  the  culminating  event if  not  in the  cause.

[cyberfarang]

7 hours ago, Gruff said:

You may be completely over reacting if there is no evidence that the profession is as dangerous as you suggest.

Another load of baloney.

 

If a young women is walking alone in a street, could be day or night, in a quite lane or a busy road and a strange guy pulls over next to her in a car and offers her a lift, would you consider the woman accepting a lift from a strange guy is not as dangerous as many believe because there is little evidence to prove that this could be dangerous? So what`s the difference between a woman getting into a vehicle with a strange male and going off to a room somewhere with an unknown male?

 

There is no need to give sources or statistics regarding the dangers involved here, as common sense explains it all.

Edited January 8, 2018 by cyberfarang

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, Benroon said:

Guilty of ?

 

I have no idea if the guy is guilty or not as I wasn't there but panicking or cowardice are not crimes

Guilty of causing death by negligence , maximum ten years jail 

Indecency in public 

Theft of phone and motorbike

Visa overstay

    I do believe that the RTP will solve this case and find out the truth .

They will give him an ultimatum , tell the truth , plead guilty (to what he did) and then get a lenient sentence or lie and go not guilty and risk getting the maximum sentence , 50 odd years in jail.

   Admit what he did , pay some compensation and be out in five years , lie and dont admit it and risk getting a life sentence 

   

[The manic]

16 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Another load of baloney.

 

If a young women is walking alone in a street, could be day or night, in a quite lane or a busy road and a strange guy pulls over next to her in a car and offers her a lift, would you consider the woman accepting a lift from a strange guy is not as dangerous as many believe because there is little evidence to prove that this could be dangerous? So what`s the difference between a woman getting into a vehicle with a strange male and going off to a room somewhere with an unknown male?

 

There is no need to give sources or statistics regarding the dangers involved here, as common sense explains it all.

Have you ever been to Thailand? There is no comparison to the two scenarios you are describing. In Thailand the girl and the guy will have been socialising in public. She will have plenty of time to judge him. They leave publicly and then arrive at a hotel linked to his name. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[cyberfarang]

4 minutes ago, The manic said:

Have you ever been to Thailand? There is no comparison to the two scenarios you are describing. In Thailand the girl and the guy will have been socialising in public. She will have plenty of time to judge him. They leave publicly and then arrive at a hotel linked to his name. You have no idea what you are talking about.

As far as the judging of characters are concerned, a few prostitutes didn`t think they would come to any harm when they encountered Jack the Ripper, and the rest is history.

Edited January 8, 2018 by cyberfarang

[The manic]

1 hour ago, Chivas said:

Its hit the Daily Mail online with messages of revulsion coming in every few seconds (over the sex trade)

Two (British) people have highlighted what I said earlier in that if he abided by his visa he wouldnt have been in the country so if they can see it so clearly thai prosecutors will have no problem likewise

 

The boy is toast

Are the Thai newspapers full of stories about acid attacks in London, mass child abuse and grooming gangs in the UK? 

[greatwhitenorth]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

Are the Thai newspapers full of stories about acid attacks in London, mass child abuse and grooming gangs in the UK? 

They should be.

 

[The manic]

11 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

As far as the judging of characters as concerned, a few prostitutes didn`t think they would come to any harm when they encountered Jack the Ripper, and the rest is history.

Have you ever been to Thailand except in your lurid fantasies? Jack the Ripper! Is that the extent of your knowledge of Asian Nightlife and the P2P scene?

Edited January 8, 2018 by The manic

[Chivas]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

Are the Thai newspapers full of stories about acid attacks in London, mass child abuse and grooming gangs in the UK? 

no idea nor the point you're attempting to make.....the fella is a brit and its across all the rags now

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

As far as the judging of characters are concerned, a few prostitutes didn`t think they would come to any harm when they encountered Jack the Ripper, and the rest is history.

We are talking about this case in Pattaya from a few days ago, not about prostitution in London 150 years ago and not about the safety of working as a prostitute in general

[cyberfarang]

39 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

The   very  fact  he  quietly  excused  himself  from  the  scenario even  in the  knowledge  a  fall  from  the  5th  floor  would  likely have  serious if  not  fatal  outcome qualifies  him  for  arrest! If whatever  happened  that  eventuated  in her  fall was  truely  accidental then  he  has lesser excuse  for  doing a  runner. 

The  fact  that  he  callously exited without any demonstrated   concern  for  the  woman  indicates a  more sinister event. 

Obviously  she   cannot  provide information  as  to what occurred  so  a  grand  story of  denial of  responsibility  will emerge.

Denial  is  a  universal  trait,  not a  Thai  trait.

Truely  accidental  or   not he  deserves an  outcome appropriate to  his callous  inhumane actions in  the  culminating  event if  not  in the  cause.

This could be equated to drivers that are involved in hit and run incidents.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, cyberfarang said:

This could be equated to drivers that are involved in hit and run incidents.

Whether it can or can not be equated to car drivers is beside the point of the OP

[The manic]

Just now, Chivas said:

no idea nor the point you're attempting to make.....the fella is a brit and its across all the rags now

I was asking a question about the Thai coverage of UK crime but I take your point. The apparent murderer is British. Not the first and not the last tourist, British or otherwise, to loose the plot here. In this case the circumstances are dreadful for the poor girl and her family. Thank goodness it is a rare and unusual event.