webfact Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Is Yingluck really wanted? By POLITICAL DESK THE NATION File photo JUNTA’S LACK OF EFFORT SUGGESTS THEY WOULD PREFER HER TO STAY OVERSEAS MORE THAN four months after fugitive former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is known to have fled the country, the powers-that-be seem to still be in the dark over her current whereabouts. But, are they really unaware and are they serious about finding out where she has been in hiding? The developments over the past months regarding the roles of the government and relevant authorities have led to a question: Are they really serious about bringing Yingluck back to Thailand? Yingluck fled the country on August 23, two days before the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Political Office Holders was scheduled to deliver a verdict in the negligence case against her that stemmed from her government’s corruption-plagued rice-pledging scheme. In September, the court sentenced her to five years in jail and she did not appeal against either the verdict or the sentence. The Thai government and authorities often seem to have been one step behind her, from the day she fled the country, then flew to Dubai, moved to the United Kingdom, and sought political asylum there. They said their counterparts in those countries, including the UK and the United Arab Emirates, did not fully cooperate with them in their hunt for Yingluck, but the Thai authorities – police and public prosecutors included – have not shown a strong determination in pressing those countries. Political observers view that a situation in which Yingluck is outside the country is a win-win for the ruling junta, which came to power by overthrowing her government in May 2014. If they succeeded in having Yingluck extradited to Thailand and serving her prison sentence, General Prayut Chan-o-cha’s government risks angering her supporters and undermining the current fragile political stability. Ekachai Chainuvati, a legal expert and political critic, said yesterday he could not conclude that the junta was not serious in pursuing Yingluck. He explained that it was rather because the Thai government had no extradition treaty in place with the UK to have the fugitive former PM sent home. On the other hand the law professor agreed that Yingluck’s absence from Thailand was clearly advantageous to the junta. “Yingluck has been handed down a five-year jail term. If she were in the Kingdom, she would have been punished by serving the term in prison. It would have been the first time, too, that a former prime minister had been jailed,” Ekachai said. “Considering also the controversy over the rice case, the NCPO would have to put up with considerable political pressure throughout her imprisonment,” he said, referring to the ruling National Council for Peace and Order. Ekachai also considered it to be easier for the NCPO if Yingluck remained overseas, saying her influence was less from there than if she were back home. The people in power are obviously treating Yingluck the same way they have dealt with her brother Thaksin, who has lived in exile since 2008 and thus escaped serving a two-year jail term for abuse of power, the observers said. Thaksin has been able to freely travel to different countries, including some of Thailand’s neighbours, and there have been no serious attempts to seek his extradition. Some observers said they suspected a secret deal had been reached between the powers-that-be and the Thaksin camp for Yingluck to be allowed to stay out of Thailand, in exchange for her keeping a low profile while overseas. In fact, that is exactly what Yingluck has done since she was last seen publicly in late August last year. Nobody, even people in her Pheu Thai Party, could confirm which country she was in. There have only been a few photos of Yingluck taken in London and released during the recent Christmas holiday on social media – but Pheu Thai sources said they did not think the photos were intended by Yingluck to make waves. They said if that had been her intention she would have done better to have included many of her supporters in the photos, not just one admirer. Yingluck applied for political asylum in the UK in November but she has not been granted the status, according to a Pheu Thai source. Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan, who is in charge of security affairs, said yesterday that he had only just learned from the media about the latest developments. Prawit said he had not yet received any report from the security agencies about it but he added that police and the Foreign Affairs Ministry were still trying verifying the latest reports. He also said that the ex-PM’s latest developments had not created any political problems Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30335735 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-01-09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Bodoh Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, webfact said: ...the powers-that-be seem to still be in the dark over her current whereabouts. But, are they really unaware and are they serious about finding out where she has been in hiding? What a stupid question! It isn't hard to know where Yingluck has been for the last several months, I have read it in the newspaper! And if I can read where she is "hiding" in the Nation and/or the Newspaper that shall not be named, then it ain't hiding. Do they want her back? No. She was put on trial by the military regime that supplanted her government; no right thinking person on the planet would claim that she got a fair trial (regardless of whether you think she was innocent or guilty). If the Junta believed that she was treated fairly, they would try to extradite her. And no country on the planet would ever extradite a former PM to the coup-makers who supplanted her. It just ain't done. Don't believe me? Let me ask; why hasn't there been an extradition request made for Thaksin? Its not like no one knows where he is? It wouldn't be honoured- that is why it doesn't happen. And it would be the same for Yingluck- no government would ever extradite her back to the Junta. If Yingluck ever comes back, it'll be because she chose to do so and for no other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunMhee Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said: What a stupid question! It isn't hard to know where Yingluck has been for the last several months, I have read it in the newspaper! And if I can read where she is "hiding" in the Nation and/or the Newspaper that shall not be named, then it ain't hiding. Do they want her back? No. She was put on trial by the military regime that supplanted her government; no right thinking person on the planet would claim that she got a fair trial (regardless of whether you think she was innocent or guilty). If the Junta believed that she was treated fairly, they would try to extradite her. And no country on the planet would ever extradite a former PM to the coup-makers who supplanted her. It just ain't done. Don't believe me? Let me ask; why hasn't there been an extradition request made for Thaksin? Its not like no one knows where he is? It wouldn't be honoured- that is why it doesn't happen. And it would be the same for Yingluck- no government would ever extradite her back to the Junta. If Yingluck ever comes back, it'll be because she chose to do so and for no other reason. Long version. Mhee's notes to summarise No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Smiles Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Unwanted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 She and her brother are biding their time for better and more favorable government and PM in place, the kind that maybe can be bought with a huge ' penalty' in lieu of jail times, and in Thailand, anything can happened, see Kamnan Poh, Chonburi uber Mafioso, who was released from very long prison sentence because he's "sic and unwell"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 "He (Prawit) also said that the ex-PM’s latest developments had not created any political problems" The only recent political problems were the ones created by Prawit. 2 hours ago, webfact said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan, who is in charge of security affairs, said yesterday that he had only just learned from the media about the latest developments. The Thai Minister of Defense has to learn from the media about this... his previously touted spies must have been on their lunch break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsw53 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 One key piece of information missing is what passport she used to enter the UK. If she has multiple passports like Thaksin , she can do a visa run every 90 days to places like Montenegro ( wouldn't that be ironic !! ) and then not even have the need to apply for asylum. As no extradition treaty exists to cover her crime it well suits this and future governments not to rush to change things. Her returning without a pardon will be kicking the hornet's nest big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: The Thai Minister of Defense has to learn from the media about this... his previously touted spies must have been on their lunch break And he very recently said' never-mind what (social) media says' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The powers that be,are very happy she is in exile, better than a Thai prison,with her followers camped outside, causing problems, they will be thinking",out of sight out of mind, now if only the bloody newspapers would stop reporting about her." regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorG Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, webfact said: Is Yingluck really wanted? Well, I don't want her, if that helps the survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Let go so not wanted hiso escape class . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1916 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'll take her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack61 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I think they are showing same enthusiasm to capture yingluck as they have put into their efforts to capture the young Red Bull heir. She could camp outside Prayut’s mansion with a sign around her neck and they would still pretend they didn’t know where she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrilled Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I’m surprised that she can’t talk to the government.For A reduced sentence maybe pay up some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I 'want' her! But all dreams aside, perhaps the PM is just playing his future "politician game"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan B Tong Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Is that the best "dabb" she can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieDee Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 59 minutes ago, Blackheart1916 said: I'll take her. Only after I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, webfact said: are they really unaware and are they serious about finding out where she has been in hiding? More serious, seemingly, than they are about arresting the Red Bull grandee. Then, perhaps that's where Prawit's watch collection came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermik Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 hours ago, DoctorG said: Well, I don't want her, if that helps the survey. Well I would...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peperobi Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'm sure that none of the past and present government like to have Yingluck here in Thailand, she knows many things that can be embarrassing for someone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, petermik said: Well I would...... Well i would if i could but i cant. Edited January 9, 2018 by colinneil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Is Yingluck really wanted? Well, it would seem, despite all the self-righteous noises about facing justice, not by the present regime, her public presence in Thailand would be a major headache. As for the Thai people, well they were prevented from expressing an opinion in 2014, and certainly, aren't going to be able to do so anytime soon. Eventually, time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: What a stupid question! It isn't hard to know where Yingluck has been for the last several months, I have read it in the newspaper! And if I can read where she is "hiding" in the Nation and/or the Newspaper that shall not be named, then it ain't hiding. Do they want her back? No. She was put on trial by the military regime that supplanted her government; no right thinking person on the planet would claim that she got a fair trial (regardless of whether you think she was innocent or guilty). If the Junta believed that she was treated fairly, they would try to extradite her. And no country on the planet would ever extradite a former PM to the coup-makers who supplanted her. It just ain't done. Don't believe me? Let me ask; why hasn't there been an extradition request made for Thaksin? Its not like no one knows where he is? It wouldn't be honoured- that is why it doesn't happen. And it would be the same for Yingluck- no government would ever extradite her back to the Junta. If Yingluck ever comes back, it'll be because she chose to do so and for no other reason. The status quo will prevail, the Red Bull Brat rules, if Thaksin came back and was jailed or Ying luck there may well be riots. Many people especially the North east people love them. I never speak of them to Thai people. If the government was serious they would go after the Bull Brat and Ying Luck /Thaksin, however high so rules the roost, corruption is rife and healthy amongst whoever rules, the argument is over I suspect who cuts the cake up. And if the Jaunta had a conscience they would release the B2, the most disgusting scape goat cover up ever seen in LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboxer Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: What a stupid question! It isn't hard to know where Yingluck has been for the last several months, I have read it in the newspaper! And if I can read where she is "hiding" in the Nation and/or the Newspaper that shall not be named, then it ain't hiding. Do they want her back? No. She was put on trial by the military regime that supplanted her government; no right thinking person on the planet would claim that she got a fair trial (regardless of whether you think she was innocent or guilty). If the Junta believed that she was treated fairly, they would try to extradite her. And no country on the planet would ever extradite a former PM to the coup-makers who supplanted her. It just ain't done. Don't believe me? Let me ask; why hasn't there been an extradition request made for Thaksin? Its not like no one knows where he is? It wouldn't be honoured- that is why it doesn't happen. And it would be the same for Yingluck- no government would ever extradite her back to the Junta. If Yingluck ever comes back, it'll be because she chose to do so and for no other reason. She will be back to face trial the same time as the Red Bull Heir NEVER ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 They making silly news again. What happened to the corrupt police officers that brought her out of the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiea Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, klauskunkel said: The Thai Minister of Defense has to learn from the media about this... his previously touted spies must have been on their lunch break they are like the unknown comic , paper bags on their heads..... foolish is as foolish does ...... Edited January 9, 2018 by mikiea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, wvavin said: They making silly news again. What happened to the corrupt police officers that brought her out of the country? It keeps her profile in the public eye excellent publicity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf99 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I think there should be a fair and just, democratic public vote by the Thai people to see if she can come back or not................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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