E-cigarettes - Thailand ban is "appropriate" says leading doctor

[Don Graham]

I smoked a pack a day for 40 years stop cold with e-cig.

 

[ChrisY1]

Meanwhile on Sukhumvit, vendors are selling them openly!

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, JustAnotherFarang said:

The problem with thai society is that when a so called educated idiot speaks, other fools are not expected or allowed to question their knowledge. The burning question is simple, if e cigarettes are dangerous and deserved to be banned for the health of the people then why do they sanction the sale of cigarettes and other more dangerous pollutants and toxic substances. The answer of course is hypocrisy and tax.

I have always been of the mind that this was more about not approving another dangerous product for sale.... opening governments to the possibility for more law suits, if they do approve a dangerous substance for consumption.

 

what is already approved is almost irrelevant

 

of course, this is western thinking, and might be the irrelevant bit

[Don Graham]

10 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said:

Meanwhile on Sukhumvit, vendors are selling them openly!

It seems that it is legal to sell but not legal to possess and consume. That way the brown shirts can collect the Tax.

[Thaidaddy]

What a <deleted>. There is no evidence worldwide, good or bad, about e-cigarettes.

 

He is just pushing the government bandwagon which is about the Thai Tobacco Monoply, and taxes thereof.

 

I am an ex smoker so happy to ban all cigarettes but that wont happen

[Coconutman]

E cigarettes might be bad.... but not nearly as bad as regular ciggaretts

[toughlove]

Easy solution, ban cigarettes and make them available via prescription via a hospital under the supervision of a doctor who can monitor withdrawals and make them a thousand baht a packet... Problem solved! 

[Titan1962]

its all about the money,money,money. Nothing to do with the health,environment,rubbish(cig butts),the stink sitting in an area where a normal cig is being smoked.I agree 100% if e,cigs are to be banned,normal cigs should be banned too. UMMM maybe not in the best interest of the people on this one. More like in the ineterest of the billions taken in tax,and the wealthy individuals being looked after first. 

[sawadee1947]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

that the government's ban on the import and usage of e-cigarettes is appropriate.

thank you Thailand. This time you are on the side of all docs in the world and on all sides of scientists !!!

[wvavin]

I am a smoker but I know any smoke we inhaled is dangerous. End of this story!

[MeHere]

I've been cigarette free for 3 years, thanks to e-cigs...

I feel better, am more healthy, I don't get winded, I taste my food, my mouth doesn't taste like an ash tray, my clothes, skin, and hair don't stink... Now I just need to lose the weight I put on from quitting!

[Sir Dude]

I think pressure from Thai cigarette companies have probably played a big part on the severity of this ban as it threatens their cosy cartel. 

[Jonmarleesco]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

People should not be encouraged to take up e-cigarettes as a means of quitting regular smoking. It was not proven that they were safe at all

But they do light up like a Guy Fawkes Day bonfire, minus the fireworks.

[Krataiboy]

8 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

But smoking swells the national (Government) coffers, (as well as that of the Thailand Tobacco Company), with high taxes.

The cost of treating smoking related disease generally far outweighs any tax benefit.

 

Of course, using the same logic, alcohol should be banned.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Krataiboy

[toughlove]

The cost of treating smoking related disease generally far outweighs any tax benefit.
 
Of course, using the same logic, alcohol should be banned.

Nobody died from second hand alcohol breath though.

If that were the case there would be several bargirl on my speed dial that would be dead by now [emoji3]

[55Jay]

This is one of those times I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the continued, ridiculous nature of this argument.

 

[ukrules]

34 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The cost of treating smoking related disease generally far outweighs any tax benefit.

 

Where are you getting this from ?

 

 

[Krataiboy]

17 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Where are you getting this from ?

 

 

An article I remember reading a while ago.  Turns out that things have changed and that in places like the UK, where the number of smokers has fallen dramatically in recent years, the situation has changed and smokers now make a net contribution to the Budget. Sorry, should've checked,.

[ukrules]

10 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

An article I remember reading a while ago.  Turns out that things have changed and that in places like the UK, where the number of smokers has fallen dramatically in recent years, the situation has changed and smokers now make a net contribution to the Budget. Sorry, should've checked,.

 

It's a common myth which is often reported by lazy journalists in the media that both alcohol drinkers and smokers are a massive drain on the NHS.

 

Both of them bring in far more than they could possibly cost in health treatment, especially when you add VAT into the equation which most appear to leave out for some reason.

 

You will still read articles like this today because they continue to write them.

 

[55Jay]

I saw the potential value in e-cigs/vaping straight away, and like most of the stories you read on TVF, it worked for me.  Day 1 with the e-cig was the last day on the real smokes. 

 

My eureka moment was about 1 or 2 weeks later, I was upstairs in my office/den and smelled cigarettes. I got up out of my chair and yelled down to the Mrs, asking if someone had come around outside the house with a lit cigarette.  No. 

I insisted I could smell cigarettes, and she started to smile at me and said, "Yes, Hon, that's what we've been telling you for a few years!"  The house smelled of cigarettes from ME, but I could never smell it until that moment. 

 

It was also around that time I discovered Thai beer tasted like shit!!! 

 

[wakeupplease]

Two doctors in a hospital 1 Thai, 1 Any other country which one would you not to be around when you get examined? Just like the asbestos story that kills millions acros the world, but none in Thailand according to local doctors.

 

Shame on the guy for taking the money and lowering the level of doctors in Thailand to bullS>>>

[01322521959]

It's all been said, but really how can Thailand cock a snoot to world scientific proof on this? Pathetic. 

Just let them go on Youtube to have so many holes shot in their argument that it would end up like a colander and just not hold water.

[Guitar God]

Leading doctor or misleading doctor?

 

It's not the nicotine in cigarettes that kills people, it's all the other crap. E-cigs remove all the carcinogenic junk. 

 

E-cigs have nicotine and a carrier. As long as the carrier is safe, they're a hell of a lot safer than burning tobacco leaves. 

 

If the Thailand Tobacco company started making e-juice there wouldn't be any government-controlled doctors telling smokers they're better off just smoking the cigarettes. 

 

This is as bizarre an America's AG Jeff Sessions saying that cannabis is more dangerous than heroin.  

 

George Orwell wasn't wrong, he was just off by a few years. 

[Doctorbu]

I agree that it’s about protecting the tobacco industry...many people quit regular cigarettes using e-cigs as a step down. 

[jacko45k]

It seems improper for a doctor to be making these comments when there is a more serious health concern, that of regular cigarettes, widely in use. Research has already defined their status as hazardous to life. It is like the specialist witness, paid to present one side of an argument,

 

 

[metisdead]

An off topic post about burning trash has been removed. 

 

A post in violation of fair use policy has been removed. 

[soalbundy]

18 hours ago, connda said:

Then ban cigarettes and all tobacco products you flaming hypocrites! 

and alcohol and cars running on petrol or diesel

[spidermike007]

All the ban on e cigarettes is about, is protecting the monopoly that the Thai government owns on tobacco. Period. It is about nothing else. This doctor is either a charlatan, or a whore, who is being paid by a very nearly criminal enterprise. Serial killing is a crime, right? That is exactly what big tobacco does.

 

The government should be squirming in shame, for pushing the cancer sticks on it's own population. But, it has no shame, so why would that ever happen?

Edited January 10, 2018 by spidermike007

[newcomer71]

In this country everything has a price, even a doctor reputation...

[Steps]

17 hours ago, Thaidaddy said:

What a <deleted>. There is no evidence worldwide, good or bad, about e-cigarettes.

 

He is just pushing the government bandwagon which is about the Thai Tobacco Monoply, and taxes thereof.

 

I am an ex smoker so happy to ban all cigarettes but that wont happen

There is plenty of evidence. A lot of it done in the UK:

 

http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm