davidst01 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I concede that this is a bit of a noob thread. In the next 6 months we are going to have to drive to and from one location to another (6 hours each way). On previous trips I've sometimes felt the rear end slide a bit. Is it worthwhile putting a heavy sandbag sitting in the back above each rear wheel? Would this added weight help? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Yes... But more important is having the correct tyre pressures that are shown on a sticker stuck to the drivers door body frame for your guidance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 All well and good unless you have to hit the ditch and the bags enter the rear window. Restrain cargo in the pickup box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anythingleft? Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 To be fair you must be going some whack to have the back end skipping, maybe just slow down "for safety"Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) In my experience this will help, especially with 2 door pickups or 2+ door pickups. The 4 doors tend to have a much better ride already due to the heavier cab I guess. At certain places here empty pickups or minibuses are struggling to get up slippery hills, loaded much better. Edited January 25, 2018 by stevenl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maejo Man Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Anythingleft? said: To be fair you must be going some whack to have the back end skipping, maybe just slow down "for safety" Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Not at all. My rear end let go in some heavy rain a couple of weeks ago at about 30/40 kph on a bend. Normally I can correct the odd twitch, but this time it went completely, and hit the kerb. A sack of sand will be going in very shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 When I drove HGV rigids, when unloaded it was a nightmare times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 As someone who drove on ice and wet roads I can advise that yes in fact it will help also with breaking as it will add to the down force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Maejo Man said: Not at all. My rear end let go in some heavy rain a couple of weeks ago at about 30/40 kph on a bend. Normally I can correct the odd twitch, but this time it went completely, and hit the kerb. A sack of sand will be going in very shortly. yep, only logic If you put a potato-bag in the front , you better put the same weight in the back......Cesar used to say........... Cesar also did not understand why people push an empty wheelbarrel around year long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Not sure if fact, but it work for me I felt the difference. For trucks with the gate up when you travel particular at higher speed the wind goes over the front of the vehicle over your ceiling and ends up in your rear bed, thus the reason you see not here, people with trucks dropping down their bed lid. Most people don't have trucks to carry construction material etc, that is why their are aftermarket products that you can remove the rear lid and place a net across. I think Nissan has a actually tubular bar I've haven't seen it here in Thailand. Yes, you can put some weight like sand bags right across the axle in the rear. This is what I use to do in my 1971 VW superbeetle since the engine was in rear and the front use to float a bit on the hwy or when raining and windy. I have a Toyota, Revo and have a permanent hard cover in the back that can be pop up and down, I'm sure you seen them that takes care of the problem too? Edited January 25, 2018 by thailand49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The leaf springs and live axles on most pickups need to be loaded to some extent to achieve optimum handling. As the OP has noted, unloaded does hop around quite a bit, particularly on rough roads. The technical term is axle tramp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieeyed Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 You should fill the back with relatives like everyone else and no sand bags would be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxipeon Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Depend of your truck I would say, and if it's a 4x4, and the weather, roads, etc... It's not a bad idea, but not necessary in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell17au Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 It might be your tyres, I had a set of tyres on my falcon in Australia and they were great but when I had to replace them I could not get the same tyres and the new tyres were s**t because they kept on loosing grip. If you have good tyres and you drive to the conditions then you should not have a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 22 hours ago, davidst01 said: felt the rear end slide a bit maybe you cannot drive such car??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I put 4 25 kg bags of sand in the back. Feels more stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, ToddinChonburi said: I put 4 25 kg bags of sand in the back. Feels more stable. Must do wonders for fuel consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee2 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, kingstonkid said: As someone who drove on ice and wet roads I can advise that yes in fact it will help also with breaking as it will add to the down force. The aerodynamic design of a vehicle and speed is what influences downforce and adding weight will not increase it. Adding weight only increases the vehicles gross weight and would slightly increase the adhesion coefficient between the tire contact patch with the roadway surface. As far as "braking", if you took 2 identically equipped vehicles, one stock weight the other with 300 pounds added weight, both traveling at the same speed, do you think they would have the same stopping distance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidst01 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, tweedledee2 said: The aerodynamic design of a vehicle and speed is what influences downforce and adding weight will not increase it. Adding weight only increases the vehicles gross weight and would slightly increase the adhesion coefficient between the tire contact patch with the roadway surface. As far as "braking", if you took 2 identically equipped vehicles, one stock weight the other with 300 pounds added weight, both traveling at the same speed, do you think they would have the same stopping distance? but the issue is not stopping distance but the back end sliding out. what are your thoughts on that mr scientist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1916 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 21 hours ago, transam said: Yes... But more important is having the correct tyre pressures that are shown on a sticker stuck to the drivers door body frame for your guidance.. Manufacturers recommended tyre pressure is a good starting point but a few psi either way might help to get a better ride. I run my Nissan 4x4 at 30psi, 6 psi under recommended. A nice easy number to remember for me, now everything is 30psi, from my truck to the wheelbarrow!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, davidst01 said: but the issue is not stopping distance but the back end sliding out. what are your thoughts on that mr scientist? Had my Triton 3 years, and a D Max before that, never had the back slide out on me once, that's either on wet or dry roads, but then I drive to the conditions and the vehicles' capabilities. Maybe the OP has been watching too many pickup ads on TV and it's influenced his driving habits. Edited January 25, 2018 by giddyup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEVUP Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, pieeyed said: You should fill the back with relatives like everyone else and no sand bags would be needed. Spot on I use to say to the wife there's something wrong, the car ain't full the back is still empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Wow I thought you have snow in Thailand now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee2 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, davidst01 said: but the issue is not stopping distance but the back end sliding out. what are your thoughts on that mr scientist? Well, to begin with, I wasn't responding to your post. Your post is somewhat vague and does not provide enough information for at least me to give you a logical response. It is like going to a doctor, telling him you are sick and asking him if you should take medicine. If you would like to provide more pertinent information regarding make, model, year and condition of the vehicle. The type of tire, treadwear, air pressure, etc. The type of road surface, condition (straight, curved, grade, flat, crowned, smooth, bumpy,) also, the weather conditions, the speed, etc, then possibly myself or others could offer you advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnx355 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 21 hours ago, stevenl said: In my experience this will help, especially with 2 door pickups or 2+ door pickups. The 4 doors tend to have a much better ride already due to the heavier cab I guess. At certain places here empty pickups or minibuses are struggling to get up slippery hills, loaded much better. I agree and I had a pick-up truck in the past in Canada and, in the winter ,I used to put sandbags in the back to improve tration and ride when it was not loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 We had a problem with a new Toyota Vios when we bought it about 5 years ago driving not at speed and on a bend with a steep camber and incline and wet road the back end bounced or lifted and we ended upon the other side of the road perhaps I admit due to our inexperience I was advised that as they are built for carrying weight they could be a problem in some circumstances and unlike the Fortuner which has the same chassis are not fitted with a stabilizer bar. After speaking to Toyota and others we had a stabilizer bar which was really a big shock absorber fitted and never a problem since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 53 minutes ago, StevieAus said: We had a problem with a new Toyota Vios when we bought it about 5 years ago driving not at speed and on a bend with a steep camber and incline and wet road the back end bounced or lifted and we ended upon the other side of the road perhaps I admit due to our inexperience I was advised that as they are built for carrying weight they could be a problem in some circumstances and unlike the Fortuner which has the same chassis are not fitted with a stabilizer bar. After speaking to Toyota and others we had a stabilizer bar which was really a big shock absorber fitted and never a problem since. Probably a Revo, not a Vios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIMIGLIA Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, stevenl said: Probably a Revo, not a Vios. No Vigo 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 8:47 AM, Anythingleft? said: To be fair you must be going some whack to have the back end skipping, maybe just slow down "for safety" Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Party Pooper!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anythingleft? Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Party Pooper!! Haha, OP stated "safety"I drive my Revo pretty rapid and have not come across this at all to date... Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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