SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[Credo]

How Trump will do is open to speculation.   He has certainly managed to surprise most everyone, but what he is doing may be hurting the GOP in general:

 

Trump is scripting his own defeat in November

President Trump isn’t afraid to make enemies. Since he took down the Bush and Clinton dynasties—and many other opponents—in his upstart bid for the presidency in 2016, he seems to think there’s no foe able to derail his crusade.

But other Republicans aren’t as slippery, and Trump is making enemies on their behalf that could doom his own party dearly in the November midterm elections. Trump recently took aim at the huge political operation built by Charles and David Koch, the libertarian billionaires who flood millions of dollars into Republican election efforts. The Kochs are strong free-trade supporters.....

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-scripting-defeat-november-150817333.html

[Jingthing]

The con man president strikes again. Just as "trump" "university" was not a real university and was actually cynical exploitative scam, "trump" "care" short term "insurance" is not real insurance. As Bloomberg said if "trump" runs the country like he runs his business, God help us.

To the marks that believed "trump" was going to fix the health care system, so sorry.

 

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We’ve finally learned Trump’s grand plan for fixing health care

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That’s when they’ll discover the insurance that seemed so cheap is cheap only because it’s worthless — and that their “catastrophic coverage” doesn’t even cover catastrophe. If they want to pay their “catastrophic” medical bills, they’d better luck into a job with decent insurance. Or join the hundreds of thousands who are begging strangers online for charity.

Which brings us back to Trump’s real plan for American consumers: Stay healthy, or drop dead.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-to-american-voters-stay-healthy-or-drop-dead/2018/08/02/e526d9e0-968b-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html

[Skywalker69]

On 7/31/2018 at 10:18 PM, heybruce said:

Tax "reform" is resulting in trillion dollar deficits.  Your hostage claims are nonsense.  Trading Taliban prisoners for a MIA soldier is worthwhile, if he is then shown to be a deserter he can face military justice.  Trump's border policies are a proven embarrassment, NATO has made no financial commitments beyond what they committed to before Obama.

 

Even if everything you listed were an unqualified success (none of it is) it would not compare to rescuing the country from a financial crisis that threatened to become another great depression.

 

BTW:  Since dealing with scary Islamists is clearly a priority with you; which Trump accomplishments do you think compare to Obama getting Bin Laden?

Inflation hits 6-year high, wiping out wage gains for the average American

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-inflation-rates-20180713-story.html

[Jingthing]

"trump" - - science denier / planet killer. What him worry?

 

"The world is burning, and the Trump administration wants to make it worse

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This is how science advances — cautiously. It is our great misfortune to have a president who always lurches foolishly and recklessly, who does not believe in science, who wants to prop up the carbon-spewing coal industry while ceding leadership in clean-energy technologies to China and Europe — and who now wants to force California and other states to stop using gas-mileage standards as a tool in the climate battle."

 

https://wapo.st/2ADaKjy

 

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[riclag]

Trump got a dynamite GDP number last quarter — and early signs point to the next one being even better

The Atlanta Federal Reserve's GDPNow model, which uses available economic data to predict the current quarter's GDP growth, stood at 5% on Thursday, up slightly from an initial estimate of 4.7%.

• https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gdp-growth-q3-third-quarter-strong-2018-8

MAWA -Make American's Wealthy Again

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Trump got a dynamite GDP number last quarter — and early signs point to the next one being even better

The Atlanta Federal Reserve's GDPNow model, which uses available economic data to predict the current quarter's GDP growth, stood at 5% on Thursday, up slightly from an initial estimate of 4.7%.

 

• https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gdp-growth-q3-third-quarter-strong-2018-8

MAWA -Make American's Wealthy Again

Yeah, trillion dollar deficits and inventory building in anticipation of a ruinous trade war are good for a short term stimulus to the economy.  Too bad about the downstream consequences.

[riclag]

58 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Yeah, trillion dollar deficits and inventory building in anticipation of a ruinous trade war are good for a short term stimulus to the economy.  Too bad about the downstream consequences.

 Trillion Dollar Deficits Plural       Sources?

[Berkshire]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Actually, I want Trump to finish his second term.

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Face it, you just can't get yourself to admit it....

 

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Trillion Dollar Deficits Plural       Sources?

The CBO.  Page 4.  https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/53651-outlook.pdf

[spidermike007]

Why would I want him to finish out his term?

 

Everything the tangerine tornado says is fake. Every time he attacks the media, the majority of the population within the US knows exactly what his agenda is. And worldwide, he is the laughing stock of the planet. He is a man of such modest intelligence, he cannot see that his words only have an effect on this relatively small base of devotees. He started the war with the media. And they are simply calling him out, as a liar and a thief, a traitor, and a fool.

 

So far, however, Mr Trump’s broadsides have failed to dent faith in his targets. On behalf of The Economist, during the past three years YouGov, a pollster, has asked a representative sample of Americans to rate large American news organisations on a scale from “very trustworthy” to “very untrustworthy”. (We calculate net trustworthiness on a scale of -100 to 100 from a weighted average of “very trustworthy” (100), “trustworthy” (50), “neither trustworthy or untrustworthy” (0), “untrustworthy” (-50) and “very untrustworthy” (-100).) From October 15th 2016, shortly before he was elected, to this month, confidence in Mr Trump’s two most frequently targeted newspapers, the New York Times and Washington Post, has actually grown. During the same period, trust in two media outlets that offer him reliably fawning coverage, Fox News and Breitbart, has withered. 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/30/donald-trumps-attacks-on-the-media-may-have-backfired

 

And as far as his character goes:

 

at the time of his election, he was involved in 3,600 lawsuits.

this massive coward dodged the draft five times.

this incompetent bankrupted five companies, leaving behind billions of dollars in debt, some of which he used to enrich himself. 

this thief cheated thousands of small contractors out of billions of dollars, resulting in many of these common men and women losing their  businesses and homes.

this heartless fool fired his driver of 25 years, after getting a secret service driver, and failing to pay him for 3,000 hours of overtime.

this misogynist was quoted as saying if he sees a stranger who is beautiful, he always wants to put his tongue in her mouth, and grab her by the pussy, and she is ok with that because he is rich and famous. 

this traitor throws his own nation under the bus, in order to appear to be nice to Putin, who he is obviously beholden to.

this cruel racist separates thousands of parents from their children with an abusive immigration policy.

 

 

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[riclag]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The CBO.  Page 4.  https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/53651-outlook.pdf

Thanks for pointing out something that hasn't happen,"The Outlook for Deficits and Debt"on page 4.

[heybruce]

54 minutes ago, riclag said:

Thanks for pointing out something that hasn't happen,"The Outlook for Deficits and Debt"on page 4.

Obviously, since Trump has only signed one budget from Congress, he can only take credit for the current projected deficit of almost one trillion.  However CBO estimates for future deficits are considered the best available, and they aren't good.

[Jingthing]

Many "trump" fans, yes, really are despicable and they're not ashamed to show the world that they are. MAGA MAWA MADA.

 

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Trump’s most despicable supporters tell us who they are

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Benjamin Franklin once said: “Whatever is begun in anger, ends in shame.” But what happens when human beings lose their ability to feel shame? There is a real possibility that the forces Trump has unleashed may not go away when he does. And that may be the saddest, scariest thing of all.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/08/01/trumps-most-despicable-supporters-tell-us-who-they-are/

[AYJAYDEE]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Many "trump" fans, yes, really are despicable and they're not ashamed to show the world that they are. MAGA MAWA MADA.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/08/01/trumps-most-despicable-supporters-tell-us-who-they-are/

These feelings have always been around and perhaps its beneficial that they are now being exposed to the light of day.

[wayned]

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Actually, I want Trump to finish his second term.

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Actually, I think that he will finish his first term unless he has a fatal Big Mac attack!  A second term is really a push.  Why.

1.  He is a malignant narcissist and will never resign no mater what happens!

2.  If the Dems gain control of the house he will be impeached, but if the GOP holds control it will never happen.  I think that the Dems will succeed.

3.  If he is impeached by the House, he will not be convicted by the Senate even if the Dems gain control of the Senate as there has to be a majority to convict him.  I think that the GOP will retain control.

4. After he survives all of this his election to a second term is a toss-up and depends what happens between now and then with the economy, Korea, Iran the EU and any other chaos he can create and how the Dems and GOP structure their 2020 plan.  The GOP could force a primary election between Trump and someone else and the Dems have to put up an "electable" candidate if they want to win.  It like watching "house of Cards" 24/7!

[Jingthing]

Those are reasonable points, but there are really too many unknowns.

Will "trump" fire Mueller?
Doing so would create a constitutional crisis because it will be seen as admitting guilt. 

If not, what exactly will be in Mueller's findings that relates to "trump" and also his family members?

We know Mueller will not indict this president or any president. 

But the report will be made public. 
If it clears "trump" it's a big win for him and increases his chances of a 2nd term.

If it's just medium bad, very unlikely the house will impeach him even if the democrats take control in November.

If it's super bad then it's hard to predict. Resignation is not impossible especially if Donald Jr. faces jail time level charges. Yes he can use pardons but there is a limit of what the public will digest politically, and that does depend on what is specifically in the report.

[wayned]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Those are reasonable points, but there are really too many unknowns.

Will "trump" fire Mueller?
Doing so would create a constitutional crisis because it will be seen as admitting guilt. 

If not, what exactly will be in Mueller's findings that relates to "trump" and also his family members?

We know Mueller will not indict this president or any president. 

But the report will be made public. 
If it clears "trump" it's a big win for him and increases his chances of a 2nd term.

If it's just medium bad, very unlikely the house will impeach him even if the democrats take control in November.

If it's super bad then it's hard to predict. Resignation is not impossible especially if Donald Jr. faces jail time level charges. Yes he can use pardons but there is a limit of what the public will digest politically, and that does depend on what is specifically in the report.

I truly believe that he would throw anybody under the bus including Don Jr., the only exception being Ivanka and I think that she will be on the list of final indictments.  Tiffany made a good decision back in 2016 after she made a couple of short campaign speeches and elected to enroll in Georgetown University law school rather than becoming part of the Trump Organization and joining his campaign.  I doubt that any pardons are in order unless Trump can see that he will get an immediate benefit from them. 

[Jingthing]

Yes he throws people under the bus. Yes his ego is bizarre. But he's caved other times in the past as long as he can tell himself and his fans he's still the big winner somehow. Such as his failed casinos where he screwed everyone else but had a big payday for himself. What I'm saying is agree an impeachment plus conviction is highly unlikely but depending on what comes out a resignation with an ego boosting gimmick is hardly impossible.

 

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[mogandave]

The orange buffoon must go!!!!

Impeach 45!!!!

What is taking so long? Someone needs to build a fire under Muller’s butt to get this thing moving!!!!!

Impeach 45 today!!!!

[stud858]

If Trump were to be impeached/ not allowed to finish his term I would liken it to what's happened in Thailand with TShin.  

Seen as unethical/illegal behaviour by Trump so the higher powers kick an elected leader out. Same same but a bit different.

[Skywalker69]

A mountain of evidence points in one direction: Russia sought to sway the 2016 US election

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/03/russian-us-election-interference-donald-trump/878910002/

[Opl]

" 

According to the Washington Post:

“Trump’s lawyers don’t just fear that he will lie to Mueller about his efforts to scuttle the investigation; it’s very likely that they also fear that Trump might tell the truth about those efforts, which could also be incriminating.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/03/trumps-lawyers-are-not-afraid-hell-lie-to-mueller-theyre-afraid-he-will-tell-the-truth.html

[riclag]

8 hours ago, wayned said:

Actually, I think that he will finish his first term unless he has a fatal Big Mac attack!  A second term is really a push.  Why.

1.  He is a malignant narcissist and will never resign no mater what happens!

2.  If the Dems gain control of the house he will be impeached, but if the GOP holds control it will never happen.  I think that the Dems will succeed.

3.  If he is impeached by the House, he will not be convicted by the Senate even if the Dems gain control of the Senate as there has to be a majority to convict him.  I think that the GOP will retain control.

4. After he survives all of this his election to a second term is a toss-up and depends what happens between now and then with the economy, Korea, Iran the EU and any other chaos he can create and how the Dems and GOP structure their 2020 plan.  The GOP could force a primary election between Trump and someone else and the Dems have to put up an "electable" candidate if they want to win.  It like watching "house of Cards" 24/7!

Well thought out opinion,with some brilliant points.Thanks mate

[Skywalker69]

40 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

A mountain of evidence points in one direction: Russia sought to sway the 2016 US election

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/03/russian-us-election-interference-donald-trump/878910002/

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

If Trump were to be impeached/ not allowed to finish his term I would liken it to what's happened in Thailand with TShin.  

Seen as unethical/illegal behaviour by Trump so the higher powers kick an elected leader out. Same same but a bit different.

You don't see the difference between an impeachment process in accordance with a democratic constitution that has governed the US for over 200 years and a military coup against a government elected in accordance with a six year old constitution written for that military?

[mogandave]

Those are reasonable points, but there are really too many unknowns.
Will "trump" fire Mueller?
Doing so would create a constitutional crisis because it will be seen as admitting guilt. 
If not, what exactly will be in Mueller's findings that relates to "trump" and also his family members?
We know Mueller will not indict this president or any president. 
But the report will be made public. 
If it clears "trump" it's a big win for him and increases his chances of a 2nd term.
If it's just medium bad, very unlikely the house will impeach him even if the democrats take control in November.
If it's super bad then it's hard to predict. Resignation is not impossible especially if Donald Jr. faces jail time level charges. Yes he can use pardons but there is a limit of what the public will digest politically, and that does depend on what is specifically in the report.

If it “clears” tRump it will only prove that he got to Muller, which looks more and more likely every day...

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

If it “clears” tRump it will only prove that he got to Muller, which looks more and more likely every day...

 

I don't believe that "trump" can get to Mueller as far as corrupting him but I do believe he could manage to fire him if he decides that's his best option. But that would be admitting guilt and would at the very least create a large political problem not just for "trump" but his complicit republican party. 

[stud858]

37 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You don't see the difference between an impeachment process in accordance with a democratic constitution that has governed the US for over 200 years and a military coup against a government elected in accordance with a six year old constitution written for that military?

Not if the impeachment process is just based on hatred.  So far it's been all under sensible consideration, as I said a bit different but that could change at a twinkle of an eye like the back flip by fbi on Hillary. She got hard done by there. 

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't believe that "trump" can get to Mueller as far as corrupting him but I do believe he could manage to fire him if he decides that's his best option. But that would be admitting guilt and would at the very least create a large political problem not just for "trump" but his complicit republican party. 

Unfortunately the Trump base would still support him.  They don't care about the constitution (except the Second Amendment), look how easy it was for Trump to turn them against the First Amendment.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, stud858 said:

Not if the impeachment process is just based on hatred.  So far it's been all under sensible consideration, as I said a bit different but that could change at a twinkle of an eye like the back flip by fbi on Hillary. She got hard done by there. 

Clearly Mueller's probe is guided by law, not emotion.  If a case is made for impeachment, it will be based on law and the constitution.