Can a Yellow Book holder fill out their own TM30

[grobec]

I did a tm30 at Udon this week.
My better half was out of town so I was alone. Only asked for my passport for photocopy and I signed the form myself.
Go to the 90 day desk, Khun Prasit is super friendly and helpful.


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[bluesofa]

10 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

A copy of her sisters TB and ID card should be sufficient and save a POA.

If your wife is named in the book, a copy of the TB and her ID will be acceptable.

To be slightly pedantic, on your first line above, the TM30 won't be signed by the housemaster. so the signatures won't be the same (unless I got her to pre-sign a few TM30s) . It's no hassle taking a copy of the POA.

My wife and I have our TBs at a different address.

[bluesofa]

8 minutes ago, grobec said:

I did a tm30 at Udon this week.
My better half was out of town so I was alone. Only asked for my passport for photocopy and I signed the form myself.
Go to the 90 day desk, Khun Prasit is super friendly and helpful.

 Absolutely, Prasit really is helpful.

[bluesofa]

27 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

There are only two possibilities for the status of a Thai in a Blue Tabien Baan.

1. Jao Baan เจ้าบ้าน Host, householder, master.

2. Poo Assai ผู้อยู่อาศัย The dweller.

 

A Thai can only be registered at one address.

I have full English translations of Tabien Baans if they would be of any interest to anyone.

 

Yes please, it would be useful. 

Will you post it here or do you want me to send you a pm?

I see I'm described as ผู้อาศัย without the อยู่ on my yellow TB, but that's not any different really, just being finicky I think.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, bluesofa said:

To be slightly pedantic, on your first line above, the TM30 won't be signed by the housemaster. so the signatures won't be the same (unless I got her to pre-sign a few TM30s) . It's no hassle taking a copy of the POA.

My wife and I have our TBs at a different address.

I've never found that an issue.

Copy of householders TB and ID card, certified with their signature.

TM30 completed by myself, my signature as tenant.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, bluesofa said:

Yes please, it would be useful. 

Will you post it here or do you want me to send you a pm?

I see I'm described as ผู้อาศัย without the อยู่ on my yellow TB, but that's not any different really, just being finicky I think.

Hope these are sufficiently edited for open viewing.

Note one is registered as the 'householder', i.e. the person responsible for holding the book. The other is registered as the 'Dweller', i.e. someone else who is merely registered at that address.

 

 

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, bluesofa said:

I see I'm described as ผู้อาศัย without the อยู่ on my yellow TB, but that's not any different really, just being finicky I think.

Your described as the ''Tenant''.

[bluesofa]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Your described as the ''Tenant''.

Right, I assumed it would be the same as occupant.

 

Baffling really. Are you saying that in a yellow TB you can't be an occupant/dweller?

 

The staff who did my registration added that without mentioning it.

I say that because the plot the TB is for doesn't even have a house on it at that address. My wife used it originally to get her own house registration, then added me on later. As I mentioned earlier we live in her sister's house at another address.

 

Thanks again for posting the translation.

[Pattaya46]

14 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

For a Condo owner, a copy of the blue book (no name) and the Yellow book is the only option.

It's one option, certainly not the only one, and fortunately, because - depending on date, location and persons - it can be a big hassle to get this Yellow Book !

Reports from Jomtien say that they accept a copy of the chanote.

[Tanoshi]

17 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Baffling really. Are you saying that in a yellow TB you can't be an occupant/dweller?

Certainly not, no.

[bluesofa]

12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

17 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Baffling really. Are you saying that in a yellow TB you can't be an occupant/dweller?

Certainly not, no.

OK, thanks.

 

BTW, my "Baffling really" was to do with the the description the amphur had put in my yellow TB. It wasn't regarding your comment.

I should have put the two sentences on separate lines. Just in case you perhaps thought I was disputing what you had said.

[Maestro]

On 09/02/2018 at 8:20 AM, Tanoshi said:

On 08/02/2018 at 2:44 PM, bluesofa said:

Baffling really. Are you saying that in a yellow TB you can't be an occupant/dweller?

Certainly not, no.

 

I see no reason why a district office would refuse to register another foreigner in addition to the house-master in a yellow house registration book. A foreign condo owner married to a foreign wife would be an example of two foreigners listed as residing at that address. There probably are even Thaivisa members in this situation.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Maestro said:

 

I see no reason why a district office would refuse to register another foreigner in addition to the house-master in a yellow house registration book. A foreign condo owner married to a foreign wife would be an example of two foreigners listed as residing at that address. There probably are even Thaivisa members in this situation.

You've completely misread or misunderstood the question and reply.

[Maestro]

4 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

You've completely misread or misunderstood the question and reply.

 

Thank you, I got it now. You were emphasising that you were certainly not saying that in a yellow house registration book you can't be an occupant/dweller.

[MrPatrickThai]

On 2/8/2018 at 8:20 AM, Tanoshi said:

I've completed and filed many TM30's in different Provinces. (As the tenant).

Why?

 

In over 25 years, I've never done this is different provinces and never been asked.

[Tanoshi]

3 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Why?

 

In over 25 years, I've never done this is different provinces and never been asked.

Good for you!

Some of us prefer to make sure laws relating to foreigners are adhered to.

[MrPatrickThai]

10 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Good for you!

Some of us prefer to make sure laws relating to foreigners are adhered to.

Making it tough for the rest of us when you give them ideas to enforce some ridiculous law.

[MrPatrickThai]

On 2/8/2018 at 12:00 PM, Tanoshi said:

Hope these are sufficiently edited for open viewing.

Note one is registered as the 'householder', i.e. the person responsible for holding the book. The other is registered as the 'Dweller', i.e. someone else who is merely registered at that address.

 

 

Out of interest, why did you need the housebook translated into English?

[bluesofa]

2 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Making it tough for the rest of us when you give them ideas to enforce some ridiculous law.

I think you're being unfair here.

 

This law has been around for decades, it was immigration themselves who more recently began and 'enforced the ridiculous law'. I'd go as far as to say it's probably a cash-generating scheme to earn money for them.

I can't honestly see them taking note of the fact some people have been filing the forms in the past.

[bluesofa]

2 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Out of interest, why did you need the housebook translated into English?

As someone else who had to get a housebook translated into English, it was for my brother-in-law when applying for a Schengen visa.

 

I took plenty of extra documents just in case, when I went to the embassy with him, but not a translation of his housebook, only the original Thai one. The embassy decided on the day that they wanted an English translation, as an extra supporting document.

Had to get it done at an approved translation service near the embassy, but had no opportunity to get a copy for reference.

[elviajero]

6 hours ago, bluesofa said:

This law has been around for decades, it was immigration themselves who more recently began and 'enforced the ridiculous law'. I'd go as far as to say it's probably a cash-generating scheme to earn money for them

It’s nothing to do with “cash-generation”! 

The increased enforcement is down to more of us living/staying in private residences, and due to security concerns following the Bangkok bombing.

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

It’s nothing to do with “cash-generation”! 

The increased enforcement is down to more of us living/staying in private residences, and due to security concerns following the Bangkok bombing.

I’m not denying there's a genuine reason behind it. However, I tend see it more cynically,

 

I’m not going to say where this was, but when my friend was extending his permission to stay, he was fined 800 Baht for not having filed a TM30. He paid it without even querying why he had to pay, rather than the landlord.

Another time when he was two days later than the stamped date for his 90 day report, the IO told him he had to pay 2,000 Baht for being late, although we’re allowed to do it 15 days before or 7 days after the date stamped. He paid up.

 

There do seem a lot of other people who have an aversion to going to immigration and would rather pay the money in order to get out of the building quicker. I know a couple of others with the same attitude.

 

It obviously isn’t right, but you almost can’t blame some unscrupulous IOs who can’t believe foreigners will throw money at them for the flimsiest of excuses.

Didn’t I read on here that Jomtien immigration are fining people 1,600 Baht for not filing a TM30, or have I got that wrong?

[JackThompson]

15 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Didn’t I read on here that Jomtien immigration are fining people 1,600 Baht for not filing a TM30, or have I got that wrong?

You got it right.