American claims self-defense as patron says man murdered in Pattaya was "trouble-maker"

[kwak250]

The Australian may have been a trouble maker and allegedly picked up a thai women by the neck but puching him is one thing and stomping on the head of someone already ko'd on the floor to me is manslaughter.

[GaryAdriaenssens]

And that's why the victim was beaten to death Mister American!? As so many in Pattaya nowadays, an agressive idiot thinking he can do whatever he wants because he's not in his own country. A trouble maker or not the Australian didn't deserve to die to learn a lesson in good behavior (if that still exists in Pattaya!!).

[anon789561]

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Get 20 yrs for this in some Australian states.

only around 5 years in the UK at the moment although some campaigners are trying to make it a minimum 8 years. There's a case going through the courts there now about some young lad just walking down the street and 2 pissed up blokes walking past and one just punches him. he gets up and walks home and died later that night, some kind of brain injury. there was something like 80 fatalities from one punch in the UK since 2007. that has gone up since the article last year.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38992393

 

[bangkoken]

Stomping a man's head who is down is NOT self defense .... it's murder.

[Emster23]

One of those rare occasions where we might ask "Where were the club's Thai bouncers?"

[newatthis]

So many conflicting stories being told about this one. Hopefully the truth will come out. sadly, Mr Robb is dead and can't tell his side of the story and there is no CCTV, so let's hope some impartial witnesses come forward.

From Australian news source:

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/an-australian-man-has-been-killed-in-brutal-bar-fight-in-pattaya-thailand/news-story/a8a0c7c418cdf9b6433e7640c9c8b666

[rodney earl]

Maybe he was, he could have changed bars, but he decided to stay there and beat him to death, stomp on his head 10 to 15 times and his friends then took photos of him lying on the ground in the last throws of life. Yea right. I think that I know who the trouble maker was in this instance.!!!

[cornishcarlos]

1 minute ago, bangkoken said:

Stomping a man's head who is down is NOT self defense .... it's murder.

 

It's also un-verified hearsay... Best wait for the investigation to finish before judging the guy ?

[miamiman123]

One punch to the floor but 10-15 kicks to the head when he’s down? BS defense mate! 

Good luck w that! It called murrr-deerrr as Richie Allen says! 

[PremiumLane]

Forget the police investigation, send in the TVF investigative team - he will be hung, drawn and quart ed, serve life in a Thai jail and deported before you can say 'next!' 

[cornishcarlos]

If the 2nd version of events had been reported first, everyone would be saying the Aussie got what he deserved.

But it seems the story that appears first is to be believed at all costs !! Never mind that the witness statements have not be confirmed or backed up.

Ah well, just hang him and save the cost to the Thai tax payers...

[simoh1490]

The Thai newspaper this morning tells us the American has a 1994 murder conviction in Florida......go figure.

[mstevens]

Sorry, with reports in the other thread and on other forums that this American was found guilty of murder in the USA in the '90s and did years in prison for this, his protestations of self-defence don't ring true to me.

[kcpattaya]

Self defence my ass. You don't kill someone over a Thai hooker being touched.

Every establishment must have CCTV footage available unless Jose was 'friends' with the owner of the Ruby bar.
I am sure in that case the CCTV system failed...

[kcpattaya]

http://myfloridalegal.com/alerts.nsf/Print Slip Opinions/5360FEA12E120DF6852565DF006C99E7?OpenDocument

[simoh1490]

So his homicide conviction in Florida became invalid because the court didn't receive original copies of his outstanding warrants in NY, right!

[glasswort]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

my guess is the USA don't want him back 

You obviously have information apparently not available to anyone else.

[Dukeleto]

Australia should send its own investigators, as the Brits did in the "death island" murders to corroborate the findings of this investigation of what appears to be a senseless killing of one of its citizens lest the truth be swept into a fat brown envelope.

[steven100]

Of coarse the guy was stomped on many times, because why would others present say this and later a different story is given. He's lower than scum this yank, & his friends not much better.

[Toshiba66]

7 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

So his homicide conviction in Florida became invalid because the court didn't receive original copies of his outstanding warrants in NY, right!

I'm certainly no Lawyer but it would have depended on the outcome of the evidentiary hearing I think.

 

It seems clear the accused didn't spend a great deal of his time being a good guy.

 

This story has more moves than a bucket of worms.

Edited February 13, 2018 by Toshiba66

[Blackheart1916]

Eye witnesses are often unreliable and contradictory, and as this was reported to be over in 15 to 20 seconds, most of the people in the place would have no idea what had happened until it was all over.

[HLover]

22 minutes ago, Emster23 said:

One of those rare occasions where we might ask "Where were the club's Thai bouncers?"

If present, the stomp count may have been increased exponentially.

[SpeakeasyThai]

11 hours ago, saakura said:

...to the farang ego.

So what would you have done? Nothing i presume and just watched a young girl being manhandled and assaulted. Coward.

[Araiwah]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

American claims self-defense as patron says man murdered in Pattaya was "trouble-maker"

 

so I stomped on his head 20 times when he was unconscious on the floor just to make sure ......................... he was dead 

 

sorry <deleted> but you did what you did and now someone is dead by your actions, in the UK your mates would also be facing serious charges 

 

I advise Thai Police to get a full criminal profile on this psycho, my guess is the USA don't want him back 

 

and people living in pattaya would also not be too happy about this thug on the loose and that includes his scumbag mates who if not being charged should be escorted to the airport and banned from Thailand for life

 

Thai police need to be seen to do the right thing here...................the local community and international media are following this very carefully

 

 

So guilty until proven innocent then?

[HLover]

1 minute ago, Blackheart1916 said:

Eye witnesses are often unreliable and contradictory, and as this was reported to be over in 15 to 20 seconds, most of the people in the place would have no idea what had happened until it was all over.

True, most people seen shuffling around in the Pattaya zombie trance have not had a clue for the past 15-20 years, much less a fast paced occurrence such as this.

[thesetat2013]

A friend of mine witnessed this incident and stated to me that this man's death was the result of a lack or medical support. It seems that instead of an ambulance arriving to provide oxygen and emergency treatment, that a motorcycle arrived in its place.  Albeit, this can not be proven as the cause of death, but it does make one wonder if this man's life might have been saved if an ambulance had arrived instead

[SpeakeasyThai]

28 minutes ago, Emster23 said:

One of those rare occasions where we might ask "Where were the club's Thai bouncers?"

Most likely don't have any bouncers. Like most things here, it's never policed.

[SpeakeasyThai]

12 minutes ago, Dukeleto said:

Australia should send its own investigators, as the Brits did in the "death island" murders to corroborate the findings of this investigation of what appears to be a senseless killing of one of its citizens lest the truth be swept into a fat brown envelope.

So that would be two Police forces then investigating. Both corrupt and open to bribes.

[Cricky]

11 hours ago, camble said:

Finally a version that makes sense

SENSE, yeah right, Let's all believe the killer's statement.

[HLover]

2 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

A friend of mine witnessed this incident and stated to me that this man's death was the result of a lack or medical support. It seems that instead of an ambulance arriving to provide oxygen and emergency treatment, that a motorcycle arrived in its place.  Albeit, this can not be proven as the cause of death, but it does make one wonder if this man's life might have been saved if an ambulance had arrived instead

The cause of death is more likely the result of the assault Dr. Doolittle.

Also, oxygen isn't the lifesaver in regards to TBI.  Yawn, nice try.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5299175/