Thaivisa exclusive: Aussie bound biker stranded in Thailand talks to Thaivisa after being dumped off plane in Bangkok

[faraday]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

In 29 years of AA, I've met dozens, if not hundreds of guys whose history was a lot worse, and who looked a lot scarier.  A lot of them had turned their lives around and become model citizens and inspirations for others who want out of that life.  And I would and have trusted many of them with my life, and welcomed them into my home.

 

I don't know this guy.  But I'm not going to judge him based on what he may have been or done 20+ years ago.

 

Everybody deserves a second chance.

 

[malcoml]

Let’s look at this.

 

From memory once you have been in Oz for five years if you leave the country you must first apply for a resident return visa. Not having one of these means you can be denied entry. Had you slipped through the system like my friend and manage to board the plane you get a stern talking to at the Oz airport before being let in.

 

Paid $2000 for a retirement visa. Hmm you paid too much.

 

A solicitor getting paid $6000 before they begin work is normal. The money is put in their trust account to be used towards fees you rack up. Saves them being out of pocket if a clients runs off.

 

Enjoy Pattaya.

[simple1]

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

In 29 years of AA, I've met dozens, if not hundreds of guys whose history was a lot worse, and who looked a lot scarier.  A lot of them had turned their lives around and become model citizens and inspirations for others who want out of that life.  And I would and have trusted many of them with my life, and welcomed them to stay on my home.

 

I don't know this guy.  But I'm not going to judge him based on what he may have been or done 20+ years ago.

 

That's good of you, but obviously the AFP have recent criminal intelligence on the guy. BTW why would such a nice guy join a organised crime gang ten years ago and just a week ago travel with the boss of his chapter to Thailand, who BTW was refused entry to Thailand.

 

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/senior-wa-bikie-kevin-lawrence-stuck-in-thailand-after-visa-cancellation-ng-b88746157z

Edited February 17, 2018 by simple1

[Toshiba66]

There has to be a lot more to this story of why he is not allowed back to Oz. There are far worse people coming and going from Oz on PR than whats stated in this story.

 

The truth will come out soon.

 

If he is not allowed back to Oz the Thai Gov will have to get rid of him also. Bit of a problem I think. At least it's summer in England.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Toshiba66

[Myran]

He's only got himself to blame. Don't be a part of criminal groups if you don't want to be regarded as a criminal.

[Ron19]

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[impulse]

22 minutes ago, simple1 said:

That's good of you, but obviously the AFP have recent criminal intelligence on the guy. BTW why would such a nice guy join a organised crime gang ten years ago and just a week ago travel with the boss of his chapter to Thailand, who BTW was refused entry to Thailand.

 

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/senior-wa-bikie-kevin-lawrence-stuck-in-thailand-after-visa-cancellation-ng-b88746157z

 

I'm not claiming to know anything about the guy or the case.  Just responding to this post about his appearnce:

 

He looks like a wonderful person, who's just brimming with good will and love for his fellow humans. 

 

Edit:  And the guy's claim that he had assault charges 25 years ago, and nothing since then. 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by impulse

[smew]

Why not start an on line begging campaign for his new life and a new hog HD morbike ......

[Enoon]

42 minutes ago, djayz said:

Never judge a book by its cover.

 

Quite right.

 

However, as a temporary (trial) measure, I suggest a:

 

"Blue Limbs?......Biker?.......Not Thai?.........Sollee, bye bye"

 

policy may help Thailand with least part of it's foreign gang problem.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Enoon

[smew]

You are the person with whom you associate the most... scum

bikers are nothing less but scum 

[Kerryd]

How do I get a instant "1 year visa" while (presumably) in the airport, for just $2,000 AUD ?
And why do that anyways ? I'm guessing he arrived on either a 30 day stamp (or possibly a tourist visa) when he came for Bike Week. If it was a 30 day stamp, why not just go back through Immigration and get another 30 day stamp ? 
From the sounds of the story, he doesn't have the cash to meet the requirements for a 1 year visa (which the whole world now knows as well). Not to mention the whole "seasoning" thing (at least 2 months as noted above when applying for the Visa, and then 3 months when applying for an Extension of Stay).

Hmmm, if he was denied boarding (or "offloaded" as it says in the story) that means he would have been in the Departure area of the airport. To get a hold of a lawyer and arrange for a "1 year visa" (including handing over his passport and the $2,000) you'd think he would have had to leave the Departure area which means he would have had to go through Immigration (one way or another) and been "back in Thailand" (presumably on a 30 day stamp). If so, why bother with getting a "1 year retirement" visa ?

Also, the story says he went through Thai Immigration/Customs (so he was in the Departure Area) which means he was also checked in for the flight which means the airline staff would have already processed him (and checked his passport).
Oh wait, never mind. I remember how that works now. Once the airline has the passenger manifest it is forwarded to the destination Immigration service who then review it. They must have done a quick job of it to catch him before the flight took off though ! 2-3 hours from Check-in to Take-off and the manifest probably wouldn't have been sent to Australia until 30 minutes before take-off (when the check-in normally closes). If his name was flagged in their (Australian Immigration) system I could see how they could have got him before the flight took off but they would have had to have been pretty quick about it.

 

But there must be some kind of Appeal system in place (in Australia) where he could plead his case and show his longstanding ties to the country (family, job, etc). Of course it would be easier to do if you are in country. Ah - the other article says that he is already launching an appeal.

Many years ago (late 90s) I was on a flight from Canada to Thailand, via Japan. I had the pleasure (sarcasm) of sitting next to an "Aussie biker" that was being sent back to his "'last point of origin". He'd flown from Oz to Japan on one ticket/airline, then to Canada on a separate ticket/airline and then tried to fly to the US on another ticket/airline. However, the USA has an Immigration checkpoint in the Vancouver airport and this guy didn't have a visa. He tried to tell them that his girlfriend was waiting for him in Seattle with his Visa (lol) and for some strange reason (sarcasm) the Americans didn't believe him ! As he'd been denied entry to the US (and wasn't trying to get into Canada) he was held in a detention area until they could book a flight for him back to Japan (his "last point of origin"). I got to spend the entire flight listening to him go on about how they turned him away because of all his biker tats/long hair/looks/etc.
Not sure why he didn't just try to enter Canada and then cross the border by land (legally or otherwise). Do Aussies need visas to enter Canada ?

Also, how is it a "ThaiVisa Exclusive" when the story was in "The West Australian" news many hours earlier ? (With the same cover photo even) !

[Enoon]

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I'm not claiming to know anything about the guy or the case.  Just responding to this post about his appearnce:

 

He looks like a wonderful person, who's just brimming with good will and love for his fellow humans. 

 

Edit:  And the guy's claim that he had assault charges 25 years ago, and nothing since then. 

 

 

Since he moved into "management"?

 

Not quite so easy to pin down.

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Enoon

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

How do I get a instant "1 year visa" while (presumably) in the airport, for just $2,000 AUD ?
And why do that anyways ? I'm guessing he arrived on either a 30 day stamp (or possibly a tourist visa) when he came for Bike Week. If it was a 30 day stamp, why not just go back through Immigration and get another 30 day stamp ? 
From the sounds of the story, he doesn't have the cash to meet the requirements for a 1 year visa (which the whole world now knows as well). Not to mention the whole "seasoning" thing (at least 2 months as noted above when applying for the Visa, and then 3 months when applying for an Extension of Stay).

Hmmm, if he was denied boarding (or "offloaded" as it says in the story) that means he would have been in the Departure area of the airport. To get a hold of a lawyer and arrange for a "1 year visa" (including handing over his passport and the $2,000) you'd think he would have had to leave the Departure area which means he would have had to go through Immigration (one way or another) and been "back in Thailand" (presumably on a 30 day stamp). If so, why bother with getting a "1 year retirement" visa ?

Also, the story says he went through Thai Immigration/Customs (so he was in the Departure Area) which means he was also checked in for the flight which means the airline staff would have already processed him (and checked his passport).
Oh wait, never mind. I remember how that works now. Once the airline has the passenger manifest it is forwarded to the destination Immigration service who then review it. They must have done a quick job of it to catch him before the flight took off though ! 2-3 hours from Check-in to Take-off and the manifest probably wouldn't have been sent to Australia until 30 minutes before take-off (when the check-in normally closes). If his name was flagged in their (Australian Immigration) system I could see how they could have got him before the flight took off but they would have had to have been pretty quick about it.

 

But there must be some kind of Appeal system in place (in Australia) where he could plead his case and show his longstanding ties to the country (family, job, etc). Of course it would be easier to do if you are in country. Ah - the other article says that he is already launching an appeal.

Many years ago (late 90s) I was on a flight from Canada to Thailand, via Japan. I had the pleasure (sarcasm) of sitting next to an "Aussie biker" that was being sent back to his "'last point of origin". He'd flown from Oz to Japan on one ticket/airline, then to Canada on a separate ticket/airline and then tried to fly to the US on another ticket/airline. However, the USA has an Immigration checkpoint in the Vancouver airport and this guy didn't have a visa. He tried to tell them that his girlfriend was waiting for him in Seattle with his Visa (lol) and for some strange reason (sarcasm) the Americans didn't believe him ! As he'd been denied entry to the US (and wasn't trying to get into Canada) he was held in a detention area until they could book a flight for him back to Japan (his "last point of origin"). I got to spend the entire flight listening to him go on about how they turned him away because of all his biker tats/long hair/looks/etc.
Not sure why he didn't just try to enter Canada and then cross the border by land (legally or otherwise). Do Aussies need visas to enter Canada ?

Also, how is it a "ThaiVisa Exclusive" when the story was in "The West Australian" news many hours earlier ? (With the same cover photo even) !

Media story was Oz Federal Police flagged the guy and some of his companions to Thai authorities whilst on route to BKK. Two of his group were refused entry and were returned to Oz.

 

Since March 2016 Oz passport holders require visa for Canada

[Enoon]

17 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Also, the story says he went through Thai Immigration/Customs (so he was in the Departure Area) which means he was also checked in for the flight which means the airline staff would have already processed him (and checked his passport).
Oh wait, never mind. I remember how that works now. Once the airline has the passenger manifest it is forwarded to the destination Immigration service who then review it. They must have done a quick job of it to catch him before the flight took off though ! 2-3 hours from Check-in to Take-off and the manifest probably wouldn't have been sent to Australia until 30 minutes before take-off (when the check-in normally closes). If his name was flagged in their (Australian Immigration) system I could see how they could have got him before the flight took off but they would have had to have been pretty quick about it.

 

 

 

He was being tracked?

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Enoon

[dotpoom]

The Trump syndrome?

[Oziex1]

1 hour ago, aldo7 said:

There is no "good guys" in motorcycle gangs. Not easy to believe  Thai Immigration gives immediatly a one year visa  as we know you have to show a lot of guarantees, financial, résidence and more.

 

Makes you wonder, the authorities see a guy who is bad, financial, in a difficult situation and quickly realise they can put the financial squeeze on him bleed him dry then discard. 12 months should be enough for that.

[Oziex1]

56 minutes ago, faraday said:

Everybody deserves a second chance.

 

While I agree, I also understand in the war against organised crime there will be collateral damage.

It's about trying to discourage those who believe it's a glamorous tough boys club. You sign up to this you sign up for life.

Bad luck buddy. 

[SpeakeasyThai]

He can happily retire in exile, living in clean living Pattaya knowing he will never be a lonely old man with his criminal Pattaya underworld chums by his side.

Edited February 17, 2018 by SpeakeasyThai

[Classic Ray]

Could have flown to UK no problem and reapplied for Aus from there. Surprised Thailand so willing to host him cough brown envelope cough.

[bbbbooboo]

hmmm.....he certainly has a lot of tatoos....hmmm

[Hupaponics]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Now running out of money he has returned to Pattaya

Aint that a surprise...

[spoon1967]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

Everybody deserves a second chance.

 

Yip, I 100% agree, and this guy had a blinder - looks like he has a very nice loving family, good job for 30+ years, nice house ect ect.....and he left all that to spend time with a MC gang in Thailand.  Looks like he wants another 2nd chance.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just looks like an ordinary family guy to me, well except for the part about "his connections to the Perth based Rebels motorcycle gang"...

 

He has major tattoos, the wife (?) in the photo has tattoos.. How come the kids and the little guy in the middle don't have them as well? 

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Donotdisturb]

3 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Oh no son, once in you're in for life..

Hasn't he watched Sons Of Anarchy :)

He can join the SNOOPY mc club in Pattaya...

[Franko666]

2 hours ago, Farma said:

A bit more info here. Border force said they worked closely with the AFP and WA Police to disrupt the activities of serious organised crime groups operating in WA

 

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/senior-wa-bikie-kevin-lawrence-stuck-in-thailand-after-visa-cancellation-ng-b88746157z

 

 

In Australia if you don't make the effort to gain your citizenship the risk is always there for a visa cancellation, especially if you are a criminal, a bikey or a druggy. Lesson learned but a bit too late for this guy, however on the plus side he might just fit in well with the Pattaya low life.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, Franko666 said:

In Australia if you don't make the effort to gain your citizenship the risk is always there for a visa cancellation, especially if you are a criminal, a bikey or a druggy. Lesson learned but a bit too late for this guy, however on the plus side he might just fit in well with the Pattaya low life.

 

Hmm.... how does an Australian motorcycle gang member down on his luck make money to support himself in Pattaya???  I'm sure there are other motorcycle gang members around who can tutor him, if assistance is needed.

 

[Enoon]

10 minutes ago, ScotBkk said:

Not outwardly naming any other undesirables. However, how come the ideology cult are allowed back albeit in their droves !!!!!

 

If they're allowed back, presumably they did not have criminal records, had done nothing wrong and were not susceptible to being kept out in the way that he was.

 

That's not surprising.......Jehovas Witnesses tend to be very law abiding.

 

 

[Franko666]

43 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

Could have flown to UK no problem and reapplied for Aus from there. Surprised Thailand so willing to host him cough brown envelope cough.

 

He might not have a British passport, mmm this will be interesting, stateless perhaps.

[ScotBkk]

6 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

If they're allowed back, presumably they did not have criminal records, had done nothing wrong and were not susceptible to being kept out in the way that he was.

 

That's not surprising.......Jehovas Witnesses tend to be very law abiding.

 

 

I think you you missed the train my friend .....................

[Darcula]

OZ loss is LOS gain, I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Darcula