Tchooptip Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, oilinki said: 1) Every community have common rules. That's why you can't refuse to pay taxes to UK government, even if you would not agree with the beer taxation. Otherwise why would anyone allow the UK government to say what their local city does? 2) Perhaps you have not heard of the freedoms of movement and work in other EU countries. Not all people want to stay where we have been born. Some like to move around and EU gives the ability for us to do so. There is probably a lot of other freedoms which EU does for us. Perhaps either EU or your local government have failed to bring the positive sides of EU to your knowledge? "Perhaps you have not heard of the freedoms of movement and work in other EU countries. Not all people want to stay where we have been born. Some like to move around and EU gives the ability for us to do so." Most younger people are aware of it and many voted against Brexit. Most older people do not give a damn about it and many are Brexiters. As the soured old farts are concerned, all of them are Brexiters 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, billd766 said: Take out the numbers of people ie those not of voting age and there are not 70 million,, more like 50 million. Take out those who cannot be bothered to vote and it will be closer to 45 million. A link for you. http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results Of the 46,501,241 who were eligible to vote, Leave Vote share 51.9% Votes 17,410,742 Votes Remain Vote share 48.1% Votes 16,141,241 Votes Rejected ballots 26,033 That left 12,923,225 or nearly 28% couldn't be bothered to vote at all. The turnout was 72.2% which is far higher than any general election turnout for decades. So what? Do you questions the normal works of democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 hours ago, steve187 said: everyday day more anti constitutional, anti brexit rubbish Anti constitutional? What? Like pretending an "advisory" referendum was binding without parliamentary votes and then trying to by-pass parliamentary procedure, and failing in court, the High Court and the Supreme Court, all at tax payers cost of course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 hours ago, oilinki said: It's great to see that you are so keen supporter of democracy. I'm sure you'll be thrilled to support the new referendum vote. After all it means there is more democracy for you and everybody else. People's voice must be heard - Give the people of UK new vote now! Can we throw in Capital punishment, Fox hunting etc too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The last thing the UK needs right now is another so called political party. It will just split the country even more. Better to stay focussed on what Davis and May are saying at the moment. Latest report indicates again that Britain may well stay aligned to the EU after Brexit as far as trade is concerned and therefore abide by EU regulations. "It also says that the UK, as a “mid-sized economy”, can only maximise its trading benefits by aligning to a larger bloc, with the EU or US being the obvious options." Davis making a speech today in Austria. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and let's face it, you never get a straight brief from him. But lets get our priorities right here. Wigan Athletic knocked Man City out of the FA cup last night! Surely that is the news of the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Shackleton123 said: Yes (LOL) Noticed it. The Torygraph is calling him a communist spy, and the Daily Fail has waded in with similar ludicrous claims. Turns out (according to BBC World News this morning) if he had any information at all, it was most likely for British Intelligence, with whom he was in contact. I noted (as you have) that there must be a perceived threat for even the Tories to sink this low. Boulton/UKIPs implosion was no accident either; this whole affair is being officially orchestrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 8 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said: I smell irony with this Renew party, that seeks to overthrow the democratic will of the British people. One wonders, if the Renew party has electoral success, should there be another vote and another, until the people that did not vote for Renew get their way? Would Renew party support the ignoring of democratic mandates if Renew were winning? What a mess this has all become. We had a referendum, we won, it's over. '' We had a referendum, we won, it's over''.....correction, we had a '' We had a non binding referendum, you won, it's not over'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 hours ago, chrissables said: Good to see you backing a democratic vote! A non binding referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 hours ago, korkenzieher said: So, by that logic it was an opinion poll took us in there too? Drivel! Parliament decided to test the will of the people by asking its opinion. They didn't like the decision they got - but they accepted that as instruction and have since legislated on that 'opinion' to make it law. Any more straws you want to clutch at? Not straws, facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dunroaming Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Well all parties are capable of getting down and dirty. There was a time when there was some moral integrity but those days are long gone. Brexit isn't about Tory versus Labour or right versus left and yet so many try desperately to put it in those boxes. There are leavers and remainers in all parties. By bringing party politics into it just makes for more conflict and is stupid and inaccurate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retiredandhappyhere Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, gamini said: Democratic will of 17 million people v a population of 70 million??? So, you want kids to have the vote as well? Counting just those of voting age might be more correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It's great to see that you are so keen supporter of democracy. I'm sure you'll be thrilled to support the new referendum vote. After all it means there is more democracy for you and everybody else. People's voice must be heard - Give the people of UK new vote now! And if the losers don't like the result, then another vote?Where/when does it stop?You must think through the likely consequences.Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said: So, you want kids to have the vote as well? Counting just those of voting age might be more correct. Kids no, but young voters certainly. The referendum attracted too few of them to the voting booths and now they have missed the opportunity to have their say. It is their future we are screwing up after all. But again Brexiteers are in fear of a second referendum because they realise that Brexit would be kicked into touch. Before you all start shouting, I am also against a second referendum. But I am all for a final vote when all the negotiated deals are announced. That is what has been proposed and it makes better sense to me to do that. A second referendum today would mean, once again we are voting on the unknown outcome of Brexit. Better to not make that mistake twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Either way it would get the UK and the EU out of this stalled situation. If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed. If the Remain vote wins, then Brexit is cancelled and the kids of the future will read about this silly season from their textbooks. Either way, this stagnation ends and people & countries can go forward improving their lives. Sounds fair?Sounds ridiculous.The exit vote must be confirmed by a second vote for it to proceed, but one vote can stop the exit??Sounds nuts to me.Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It was a crazy decision, true, but let's just go with it. See where it leads us. I'm not so stupid as to believe anyone can predict where this is going to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 and only 17 million people voted for brexit out of 70 million??How many were below the voting age?Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Possibly because it was approved by a 2/3 majority of the voters? That's a lot of people to bang up, house and feed. Especially when less than 1/3 of the people are out of prison working. Just as 52% voted for Brexit??Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, F4UCorsair said: Just as 52% voted for Brexit?? Nobody's advocating treason charges against the Brexiters... But it's interesting that joining required a 2/3 majority and the referendum to leave only required 50.0001% to declare leaving as the will of the people. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 10 hours ago, webfact said: Among those who have called for Brexit to be halted are former Prime Minister Tony Blair, Goldman Sachs Group Inc Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein and George Soros, who made a fortune by betting against the British pound in 1992. What a nice bunch of people. A lying war criminal, the head of the most elite global bank and a bloke who made billions from the pound's demise. I'm sure they have the ordinary British people's interests at heart though... 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 What a nice bunch of people. A lying war criminal, the head of the most elite global bank and a bloke who made billions from the pound's demise. I'm sure they have the ordinary British people's interests at heart though...Blair is just trying to make himself relevant again and get back in the spotlight. The other two are interesting in that they both have large amounts of liquid capital to hand which could be used to make a lot of money from the disruption that Brexit is causing - don’t forget it was the volatility of the situation and a weak government that Soros capitalised on to sink the pound. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissables Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, fasteddie said: A non binding referendum. The government sent a leaflet to every house in the UK stating they would implement the referendum outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, chrissables said: The government sent a leaflet to every house in the UK stating they would implement the referendum outcome. So you say but I didn't receive one, nevertheless they are breaking the terms of the referendum surprise surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, fasteddie said: So you say but I didn't receive one, nevertheless they are breaking the terms of the referendum surprise surprise. I didn't receive one either but I have a sign saying no junk mail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, F4UCorsair said: How many were below the voting age? Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The closest I can find to the numbers of registered electors for nation elections in the UK for 2016 is here. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/elections/electoralregistration/bulletins/electoralstatisticsforuk/2016 Total number of UK parliamentary electors increases The total number of UK parliamentary electors in December 2016 was 45,766,000, an increase of 2.3%, around 1 million, from December 2015. The total number of parliamentary electors in each of the UK constituent countries and the percentage changes between 2015 and 2016 are: England – 38,386,900, an increase of 2.6% Wales – 2,243,900, an increase of 2.8% Scotland – 3,930,000, an increase of 0.8% Northern Ireland – 1,205,700, a decrease of 3% There are far more statistics than this if anybody wants to dig deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, fasteddie said: So you say but I didn't receive one, nevertheless they are breaking the terms of the referendum surprise surprise. So take them to court and sue them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 hours ago, impulse said: Possibly because it was approved by a 2/3 majority of the voters? That's a lot of people to bang up, house and feed. Especially when less than 1/3 of the people are out of prison working. No, we voted to join a "Common Market", not the Super-Country that politicians have turned Europe into. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 11 hours ago, webfact said: A new British political party inspired by French President Emmanuel Macron's rise to power launched a national electoral campaign on Monday aimed at stopping Brexit. I think the inspiration stops at The Channel, the UK's 'first past the post' electoral system isn't as forgiving as the French 'two-round system', the Renew party isn't going anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DefaultName said: No, we voted to join a "Common Market", not the Super-Country that politicians have turned Europe into. Fair enough, but I think that's referred to as "sowing the seeds of your own demise". Or, using my favorite parable, you voted to turn on the gas jet that would eventually end up boiling the frog- albeit 30-40 years later. If you don't get the reference, Google "boiling a frog". (No insult intended by the term frog, that's just part of the parable. It's not a capital Frog) Edited February 20, 2018 by impulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, DefaultName said: No, we voted to join a "Common Market", not the Super-Country that politicians have turned Europe into. That's right we joined the common market and being a major player we helped it evolve into what it is today. In fact Britain was instrumental in many of the policies that make up the structure of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 An off topic trolling post has been removed as well as the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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