Trump says arming teachers could prevent school massacres

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

 

People shouldn’t be so quick to mock the idea of arming everyone.  We visited Alabama last year and we felt very safe knowing that every inbred that we encountered was carrying.  Same thing in Kentucky.  But when we went up north it was different, while you’d occasionally encounter a soldier or a policeman and you would be grateful for their service, it just doesn’t provide you with the same level of protection that you get from a drunken hillbilly with a concealed weapon.

Good sarcasm. 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

 

People shouldn’t be so quick to mock the idea of arming everyone.  We visited Alabama last year and we felt very safe knowing that every inbred that we encountered was carrying.  Same thing in Kentucky.  But when we went up north it was different, while you’d occasionally encounter a soldier or a policeman and you would be grateful for their service, it just doesn’t provide you with the same level of protection that you get from a drunken hillbilly with a concealed weapon.

Are you saying there are no armed nutters in Alabama...?

[wayned]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

re you saying there are no armed nutters in Alabama...?

I lived in a small town Southern Mississippi about 65 miles north of New Orleans from 1976 to 1986 and became one of those armed nutters with the gun rack and rifles in the back window of the pickup and a 357 magnum under the seat, but I don't remember ever hearing about any nutter going into a school and massacring students and teachers.  I knew that there were some roads that you did not drive on in the early morning hours of deer season! 

[transam]

1 minute ago, wayned said:

I lived in a small town Southern Mississippi about 65 miles north of New Orleans from 1976 to 1986 and became one of those armed nutters with the gun rack and rifles in the back window of the pickup and a 357 magnum under the seat, but I don't remember ever hearing about any nutter going into a school and massacring students and teachers.  I knew that there were some roads that you did not drive on in the early morning hours of deer season! 

So the risk was there...

[selftaopath]

This shows again how hypocritical they are. Hey fat ass.... please explain why guns are not allowed on your Mar-a-Logo swamp?

https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/5-places-hypocritical-republicans-ban-guns-their-own-personal-safety

[Cory1848]

16 minutes ago, wayned said:

I lived in a small town Southern Mississippi about 65 miles north of New Orleans from 1976 to 1986 and became one of those armed nutters with the gun rack and rifles in the back window of the pickup and a 357 magnum under the seat, but I don't remember ever hearing about any nutter going into a school and massacring students and teachers.  I knew that there were some roads that you did not drive on in the early morning hours of deer season! 

Fair enough; for what it's worth, in terms of per capita gun deaths, Mississippi comes in 4th, trailing only Alaska, Louisiana, and Alabama. In terms of murder by gun (per capita), the state overtakes Alabama and comes in 3rd. I don't know what this tells us about Mississippi, if anything, but school massacres seem to take place randomly, north, south, east, and west, in red states and blue states alike; the law of averages would indicate that one will eventually occur in a school somewhere in Mississippi ...

[wayned]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

So the risk was there...

Yep, the risk was there.  I haven't been back since 1986 but I expect that nothing has changed.  It was a dry county but the city had two VFW's, one within walking (staggering) distance from my house down a country road ( I actually rented pasture land from them and usually rode my dirt bike across the pasture) and one in the "colored" quarters.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, wayned said:

Yep, the risk was there.  I haven't been back since 1986 but I expect that nothing has changed.  It was a dry county but the city had two VFW's, one within walking (staggering) distance from my house down a country road ( I actually rented pasture land from them and usually rode my dirt bike across the pasture) and one in the "colored" quarters.

When I (English) went to Alabama l had a great time, the only place l went in the USA that made me think a little was playing pool in the Everglades outback, couple of locals thought my waist belt thingy housed a shooter, l said no, my passport...

[Jingthing]

As this is now the main "trump" reaction to Parkland and all the other massacres, I really can't believe that policy would poll very well except among his rabid base which is definitely not a majority.

So more ammunition (sorry) for the democrats to take over congress in November.

 

"President makes arming teachers a top safety goal after Florida school massacre

President Trump aligned ­himself with gun rights advocates, arguing that allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons would “solve the problem instantly.” Meanwhile, a ban on semiautomatic rifles such as the AR-15 used by the Florida shooter is not under active consideration, the White House said."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/we-have-to-harden-our-schools-trump-says-teachers-should-be-armed-after-florida-massacre/2018/02/22/e8dcd5bc-17f6-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html

 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[riclag]

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Evidently, he's the first one to think about movie and video game ratings. What a doofus.

 

Trump raises concerns about impact of violent movies: 'Maybe they have to put a rating system for that'

President Trump on Thursday warned about the influence of violence in movies while discussing school safety and mass shootings, suggesting it could be a contributing factor to recent mass shootings.  Trump made the comments during a meeting at the White House on school safety attended by lawmakers and top administration officials, where the president addressed a number of issues in addition to gun violence.

 

"We have to look at the internet, because a lot of bad things are happening to young kids and young minds, and their minds are being formed, and we have to do something about maybe what they're seeing and how they're seeing it.

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375102-trump-raises-concerns-about-impact-of-violent-movies-says-we-may-have?__twitter_impression=true

Movies,video games ,music ,magazines, books and internet sites that promote or sensationalize violence  should be banned ,rated or restricted.

Edited February 23, 2018 by riclag

[wayned]

43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Meanwhile, a ban on semiautomatic rifles such as the AR-15 used by the Florida shooter

Both the Colt version of the AR-15 and the "made in the USA" version of the AK-47 are manufactured in Florida.  Both companies took advantage of favorable benefits offered by Governor Scott by opening their facilities there. No wonder he didn't show up at the Town Square! The AR-15 that was used in the shooting was the S & W version made by American Outdoor Brands headquartered in Massachusetts.

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

Movies,video games ,music ,magazines, books and internet sites that promote or sensationalize violence  should be banned ,rated or restricted.

Even going so far as banning all such items won't do jack sheit if they don't ban assault weapons. 

[suzannegoh]

Even going so far as banning all such items won't do jack sheit if they don't ban assault weapons. 

Assault weapons are used in a minority of mass shootings. You're going to need to ban guns, period.

[soalbundy]

Just now, suzannegoh said:

 

Assault weapons are used in a minority of mass shootings. You're going to need to ban guns, period.

 

you would have more chance of banning periods

[mtls2005]

"A lot of people are talking about this..."

 

 

[wabothai]

On 2/22/2018 at 4:40 AM, mtls2005 said:

The porn industry needs to hire better lobbyists, paging Stormy Daniels.

 

 

Florida lawmakers refuse to debate assault rifles, but say porn is dangerous

 

What's more of a public health risk: assault weapons or porn?

 

After 17 students and teachers were gunned down at a Florida high school, the state Legislature voted 71-36 Tuesday against a measure to consider banning the sale of assault weapons.

But on the same day, it declared pornography to be a public health risk.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/21/health/florida-legislature-porn-dangerous-but-not-weapons/index.html

 

This is so shameful. Vote them out folks.

[dave_boo]

19 hours ago, halloween said:

It is an undeniable fact that the countries with the most guns have the most shootings. Only an absolute moron could suggest that more guns will result in less shootings.

 

Suggesting that a teacher armed with a pistol will succeed against a student armed with an assault rifle is betting against long odds, and that is ignoring the psychological inhibitions a teacher would have to overcome to shoot a student known to him/her.

 

BTW national guard units aren't military - what an american joke that is.

 

 

Go ahead and tell the national guard units that have had several deployments they aren't military...I'm sure they'll laugh, just not with you.

[dave_boo]

12 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

From a risk management standpoint, fortifying schools and arming teachers is insane. It's like fighting an epidemic by handing out protective body suits while doing nothing to eliminate the virus from the environment. It's not going to solve the problem because fortifying schools and arming teachers is only going to cause shooters to seek out softer targets. Arming teachers creates additional risks: a student can easily subdue a teacher and gain access to the firearm, an unattended firearm can be stolen, accidental shootings in panic situations, teachers mistaken for active shooters by the responding law enforcement officials. Not to mention the possibility that a stressed out teacher might turn the gun on the students.

 

And I can't believe that Trump is so insensitive to the sanctity of the learning environment. Nobody seems to have given a thought to the negative effect guns have on the school learning environment. And what about all the wonderful present and future teachers who don't want to be gun-toting security guards who will avoid the teaching profession. Creativity, critical thinking, concentration, focus, social development, playing aren't enhanced by having guns everywhere, Mr. President.

How do you eliminate a virus from the environment?  Prevent it from finding hosts and replicating; correct?

 

Putting aside the patently obvious point that guns provide a way to inflict harm much more quickly and easily, what do all the shootings have in common?  I propose the fact that they were undertaken by people.  Specifically people with whatever unresolved mental health issues.  It seems that normal cultural mores and what is considered 'good' behaviour are the first casualties of a shooter.

 

Correct that issue and perhaps the problem will sort itself out.  There are stockpiles of guns in armories across the country.  They aren't killing people.  There are casks of whiskey throughout the country.  They aren't 'causing' a man to 'lose control' and commit domestic violence.  You can buy drugs throughout the country.  They aren't causing people to hold up or kill others to get another fix.  ETC.

 

Going back to my first paragraph; I agree that the virus of school violence needs to be eliminated.  But in my opinion focusing on the guns does nothing to the root cause.  Despite guns being more efficient at killing people and populations being larger thus allowing larger armies and more strife we have killed more people throughout history without guns than with.  If that's not a damning fact on us as a species I don't know what is.

 

Removing a tool used for violence or adding the same tool in larger numbers doesn't resolve the underlying issue.  Remove the violence from humans and quare sequitur humans won't commit the violence regardless of the access to available tools.

[Orac]

How do you eliminate a virus from the environment?  Prevent it from finding hosts and replicating; correct?
 
Putting aside the patently obvious point that guns provide a way to inflict harm much more quickly and easily, what do all the shootings have in common?  I propose the fact that they were undertaken by people.  Specifically people with whatever unresolved mental health issues.  It seems that normal cultural mores and what is considered 'good' behaviour are the first casualties of a shooter.
 
Correct that issue and perhaps the problem will sort itself out.  There are stockpiles of guns in armories across the country.  They aren't killing people.  There are casks of whiskey throughout the country.  They aren't 'causing' a man to 'lose control' and commit domestic violence.  You can buy drugs throughout the country.  They aren't causing people to hold up or kill others to get another fix.  ETC.
 
Going back to my first paragraph; I agree that the virus of school violence needs to be eliminated.  But in my opinion focusing on the guns does nothing to the root cause.  Despite guns being more efficient at killing people and populations being larger thus allowing larger armies and more strife we have killed more people throughout history without guns than with.  If that's not a damning fact on us as a species I don't know what is.
 
Removing a tool used for violence or adding the same tool in larger numbers doesn't resolve the underlying issue.  Remove the violence from humans and quare sequitur humans won't commit the violence regardless of the access to available tools.

If the problem is the people committing these mass killings and nothing to do with the availability of guns then surely this is a problem with Americans rather than humans in general since most other countries do not have these sort of mass killings.


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[plachon]

On 2/23/2018 at 1:09 AM, attrayant said:

 

Where was that?

 

I used to provide IT support for DC Public Schools and visited nearly every one of their 100+ facilities during my six year stay there.  I can't remember a single one that looked as you described.  Here's six from the "troubled" areas of southeast and southwest DC, as seen via Google street view:

 

In Hartford, CT. Large imposing monochrome buildings with few or no windows on the outside, no playgrounds visible, just a Stars n'Stripes flag hanging out front and no obvious signs to say they were schools; more like borstals or prisons in the UK. I honestly was confused at first as to what they were, as no kids visible. 

[Skywalker69]

On 2018-02-23 at 8:52 AM, selftaopath said:

This shows again how hypocritical they are. Hey fat ass.... please explain why guns are not allowed on your Mar-a-Logo swamp?

https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/5-places-hypocritical-republicans-ban-guns-their-own-personal-safety

Or in the WH. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Skywalker69

[attrayant]

1 hour ago, plachon said:

In Hartford, CT. Large imposing monochrome buildings with few or no windows on the outside, no playgrounds visible, just a Stars n'Stripes flag hanging out front and no obvious signs to say they were schools; more like borstals or prisons in the UK. I honestly was confused at first as to what they were, as no kids visible. 

 

I just looked at a dozen or so schools in Hartford and they don't look like prisons to me.  Public schools are taxpayer-funded ventures so I wouldn't expect lavishly-decorated buildings.  Monochrome (usually brick & mortar or cinder block) sounds about right.  There was lots of lush foliage surrounding most, but no hint of the physical security (fences, razor wire, guard towers) you'd expect to see around a prison.

 

 

You might want to consider the possibility that what you saw were actual prisons.  Here's what Hartford Correctional Facility looks like:
 

[Mattd]

Classic and so very true: 

 

[Jingthing]

Not classic --

 

 

[Credo]

It seems that now some more 'good guys with guns' are in trouble for not running into the building:

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/02/22/school-resource-officer-suspended-parkland-savidge-sot.cnn

[xylophone]

Another thought................

 

Want to train to become a teacher in the USA? 

 

Are you prepared to kill someone, and also be killed for just wanting to teach children?

 

What is this cretin Trump and his followers thinking about........sorry, my mistake, impossible to think when the grey matter doesn't function in a normal manner.

 

It is already clear that armed and trained men do NOT WANT TO BE PUT IN HARMS WAY............so expecting teachers to perform that role is ridiculous.

[selftaopath]

On 2/22/2018 at 8:06 AM, LennyW said:

Provided it was properly done i think it would at least be some sort of deterrent.

 

The teachers would obviously need psychological assessment and arms training first, done correctly i think it would work.

 

Having a school shooting on an almost daily basis certainly needs something fixing.

I much prefer Austria's method of curbing mass shootings. But when U.S. politicians are asked to choose between blood or money, guess which one they've traditionally chosen?

[dave_boo]

19 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

I much prefer Austria's method of curbing mass shootings. But when U.S. politicians are asked to choose between blood or money, guess which one they've traditionally chosen?

2016 the NRA contributed a bit over $1 million. 

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=d000000082&cycle=2016

 

There were over 100 INDIVIDUAL contributors to the Democrats in the same cycle who contributed at least 2x that. And they were overwhelmingly bankers/financers. 

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php?cycle=2016&view=fc

 

So each NRA member chipped in roughly 20 cents. It is an interesting case study though; when it's a large group being quite out spent the individual rights should matter. But when it's an election the converse is true...screw the electoral college which protects the minority. 

[transam]

Trumps arming teachers is daft because if you get a stressed out teacher the same stuff will happen...

[Pib]

I talked to my sister in the States today...she works for a county school system.  She said durn near everybody in the school system (i.e., teachers, administrators, staff, etc) are against Donald's idea.    Donald just says dumb stuff to satisfy his shrinking base (and the NRA) and then slithers off.