UK ideas on post-Brexit ties are "pure illusion", EU's Tusk says

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, chezy86 said:

Not so I voted to remain but now I have seen the attitude of the European Parliament towards the U.K. in a second referendum I would vote leave. Like spoiled little school kids who didn’t get their own way using bully boy tactics to try and frighten the British into changing their minds. Thinking about it if the EU had of offered Cameron a better deal maybe this wouldn’t be happening but that’s history and I don’t think anyone including Junker and his cronies thought for one minute the vote would go the way it did.


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I too would now vote leave for the reasons outlined .

 

If only the EU had made serious effort to reform the most dis-liked aspects.  But they didn't - preferring instead to rely on bullying/frightening tactics .

[smedly]

3 minutes ago, chezy86 said:

Not so I voted to remain but now I have seen the attitude of the European Parliament towards the U.K. in a second referendum I would vote leave. Like spoiled little school kids who didn’t get their own way using bully boy tactics to try and frighten the British into changing their minds. Thinking about it if the EU had of offered Cameron a better deal maybe this wouldn’t be happening but that’s history and I don’t think anyone including Junker and his cronies thought for one minute the vote would go the way it did.


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you are not alone

 

This whole brexit thing has exposed the underbelly power mongering undemocratic divisive Brussels for what it is, what they are saying and doing is a disgrace, I wish TM had the balls to just leave, I now find her intentions questionable - she is supposed to be the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom but she sure isn't acting like one, she is now an embarrassment, I feel sorry for her but the fact is she is not PM material and never will be

[Jane Dough]

4 hours ago, mfd101 said:

A nightmare world, I think - one where everything that can go wrong is going wrong, because of the democratic vote of the British people.

 

Suck it up, Fellas. Adults accept the consequences of their own decisions ...

It is a pity they didn't listen to the more sensible "children". The younger voters would have insisted on remain. But then, they are far less racist. 

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, robertson468 said:

Didn't realise that you ha carried out a poll of the UK Electorate?       Well done, can you publish the full results please...........or are you just guessing and talking nonesense?

It's irrelevant - as 'the polls' got it very wrong prior to the referendum....

[mfd101]

2 minutes ago, Jane Dough said:

It is a pity they didn't listen to the more sensible "children". The younger voters would have insisted on remain. But then, they are far less racist. 

Yes, but they didn't vote, or not enough of them. Hope they've learned their lesson!

[robertson468]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It's irrelevant - as 'the polls' got it very wrong prior to the referendum....

W-h-a-t, your not implying corruption in the good old UK?   You might want to press charges with the UK Police as I am sure you have lots of evidence of wrong doing with the polls!

[impulse]

May be time to fire up the old SuperMarine Spitfire plant...

 

[dick dasterdly]

5 minutes ago, the guest said:

It's quite clear the UK couldn't negotiate itself out of a paper bag!

Because they don't want to leave.....

 

The vast majority of uk politicians support remain, but are somewhat concerned about how their constituents (in leave areas) will react at the next general election if they actively support the remain cause.

[Mosha]

It's irrelevant - as 'the polls' got it very wrong prior to the referendum....

They were talking to the wrong people. Many older people voted for the 1st time. The biggest block of voters in the US is called The Monster Vote, and they abstain because they feel left behind. In the UK some turned out to vote

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[dick dasterdly]

Just now, Mosha said:

They were talking to the wrong people. Many older people voted for the 1st time. The biggest block of voters in the US is called The Monster Vote, and they abstain because they feel left behind. In the UK some turned out to vote

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So was it the 'old people' vote or the 'left behind' vote that resulted in the brexit referendum result?

 

Personally, I think it was the latter.  Those that had found themselves 'priced' out of jobs/living in areas full of immigrants etc. etc.

[Sir Dude]

There is little democracy left anywhere in the world...it's all an illusion and just a shroud that the insincere hide behind forwarding their agendas. The EU is undemocratic and we got a sniff of it from the Catalonia event with such a heavy handed response from the Spanish government and Brussels turning their backs on it, so tacitly condoning the Spanish crackdown.

The UK gave a fair referendum to the Scottish and if they had voted to leave..then they would have been allowed to regardless of the consequences. The UK voted to leave the EU and should be allowed to do so too. It should be no more complicated that figuring out a trade deal so both sides can still benefit as much as possible and keep their sovereignty...all the rest is misdirection, sour grapes and punishment. It is clear the UK vote serious messed with the liberal New World Order elites. Historians in the future could easily end up judging this period in time very harshly indeed...if they are still allowed to think independently in the future.

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Typos

[sawadee1947]

T. May got no plan, no brain, no future 

[mfd101]

The Ekins and Simpson pieces above bear careful reading by all the tired & emotional people on all sides.

 

Their substance is that the referendum outcome (Brexit) is a done deal which cannot be changed either by the British parliament or by a second referendum. All that either of those theoretical possibilities could do would be to reject the detail of the negotiated Brexit outcomes, which would result in Britain's exit without a deal. Naked into the world tumbled the newborn child ...

Edited February 24, 2018 by mfd101

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Mosha said:

Wait while the recipient states discover the donating states aren't prepared to divvy up more to cover the 10 Bn Euro that the UK provided, at least 10% if the EU budget.
 

You mean the 0.1% to 0.2% increase of GDP, which has been widely mentioned? 

[NeoDinosaw]

6 hours ago, smedly said:

 forcefully put by President Emmanuel Macron ..... in his book Révolution 

I thought Russell Brand wrote that book .........

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, chezy86 said:

So I say to Mr Tusk and his views “ SSSSH we don’t care”.

Look I know we are all banging from our own drums and the rhetoric never changes from any of us.  Whether the idea of Brexit was right or wrong that is what some of the people voted for (don't bother quoting figures at me because we've done all that too many times already) and that was the route the government is taking.

 

With the best will in the world I cannot see how anyone on either side can think that this is all going to plan.  May calling a snap election showed just how strongly people feel about Brexit.  Denials and U-turns everyday and posturing with empty promises or unrealistic demands (from both sides) mean we really don't know what we will end up with. Whether Brexit is the right thing for the UK or not it is happening in one form or another so people do care, none more than the government who are in serious disarray over it.

 

This Brexit divorce has split the country and since the referendum the division has grown and grown. The vitriol is intense and families and friends are falling out over it.  It is important and the government, businesses and anyone with a stake in Britain realise that.

 

It has never been an option to just walk away or May and the gang would have done it long ago.  May will lose her premiership over this and there is a very bad taste around politics because of it.

[Jonmarleesco]

The ex-PM of Poland is well versed in illusion.

[steve187]

11 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I dislike this guy on sight, but he is correct.

 

As I said yesterday, it is time for the UK to stop this Brexit nonsense for a generation because there is no consensus in the UK. You may have voted to leave (what you DON'T WANT), but without a concurrent thought/plan on what you DO want, that vote is both meaningless and idiotic.

 

Swallow your pride, rejoin the EU, and if there is a desire have another referendum in twenty years with some kind of potential plan in place, then have it.

 

thanks for your advice, is it ok if i completely disregard it. are you British, did you miss the result of the referendum.

[dunroaming]

23 minutes ago, steve187 said:

thanks for your advice, is it ok if i completely disregard it. are you British, did you miss the result of the referendum.

Everyone has a right to give an opinion.  Brexit effects all of us in the western world.

[metisdead]

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[nontabury]

7 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Not entirely true as I abstained from voting as I wasn't sure which was the worst option - the UK govt. or the EU..... 

O.k so if there was another referendum tomorrow,which way would you now vote?

Edited February 24, 2018 by nontabury

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Everyone has a right to give an opinion.  Brexit effects all of us in the western world.

Well according to you remoaners, it will be the British who will suffer 555.

And therefore it should be us who discuss the events leading up to our exiting this so called a union.

 

[nontabury]

7 hours ago, Jane Dough said:

It is a pity they didn't listen to the more sensible "children". The younger voters would have insisted on remain. But then, they are far less racist. 

Here we go again, these people, who did not vote as I wanted them too. Must be racist.

 

 

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, gamini said:

You brexit people are always harping on about the majority supporting it. But you never seem to accept the fact that only 17 million people voted for Brexit it out of an electorate of 46 million. you also don't seem to accept the fact that those who didn't vote, having seen the mess that the UK is in now would probably have voted against it. It would appear to me that supporters of brexit are a very scared of another referendum which will probably be totally in favour of remaining.

 I accept the numbers but not the probability - you are wrong anyway.

[Air Smiles]

4 hours ago, nontabury said:

Here we go again, these people, who did not vote as I wanted them too. Must be racist.

 

 

 

CAPS ......favourite key of racists and small minded bigots everywhere.

[Air Smiles]

 

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[Guest]

9 hours ago, nontabury said:

Well according to you remoaners, it will be the British who will suffer 555.

And therefore it should be us who discuss the events leading up to our exiting this so called a union.

When you burn a bridge to an isolated island, it's quite obvious that the people who live on that island suffer the most.

 

Burning the bridge also affects to the people on the mainland, as their links to the people on the island becomes weaker, but naturally it does not affect them as much as the island folks. 

[chezy86]

As a remain voter who has now changed camp so to speak I have to say that the British negotiators have been very fair and reasonable whereas the European negotiators have been very childish and unreasonable. Never thought I’d say this but it’s time to tell these buffoons just where to stick their demands and walk away from any deal. Britain has stood alone before and survived and she will again if needed. All this could have been avoided if the mafiosa in Brussels had given the UK a better deal before the referendum.




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[ROGER DUNN]

The EU  are making a Mockery of the UK, Coming up with every conceivable idiotic attempt to make it Harder for

them to Leave. The Latest to stop Brits Driving in Europe , How Childish Can this be.

The Sooner they are OUT of the EU  the Better. AND I Bet after they are Many MORE  Will Follow.

The Days of the EU are Numbered.

[ilostmypassword]

19 minutes ago, ROGER DUNN said:

The EU  are making a Mockery of the UK, Coming up with every conceivable idiotic attempt to make it Harder for

them to Leave. The Latest to stop Brits Driving in Europe , How Childish Can this be.

The Sooner they are OUT of the EU  the Better. AND I Bet after they are Many MORE  Will Follow.

The Days of the EU are Numbered.

I don't think May and her crew need any help from the EU to make a mockery of the UK. They're doing just fine all on their own.