Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[CG1 Blue]

22 minutes ago, tebee said:

Ok I'll give a short precis seeing as how no one else seems to be able to read it.

 

Uk currently collects VAT on all goods sold in this country even if they are delivered to a retail customer in another EU country and visa-versa.

 

Post Brexit the UK wants to continue this, the alternative would be every parcel from the EU would need to be checked on a post office center, then the Post Office would then apply VAT and Import Duty plus their £8 charge  and again we haven't got the infrastructure. 

 

But this leads to a problem, Vat disputes between counties need to be settled  by the ECJ which the UK does not want to recognize. 

 

Even being inside the customs union and solving regulatory alignment doesn’t solve this border problem

 

The choice is infrastructure, ECJ (and EU consent) or massive fraud

The tone of most of your comments seems to suggest there is no way of leaving the EU. Like we are trapped in the EU forever, no matter how it evolves.

Are you comfortable with that?  I'm certainly not.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The tone of most of your comments seems to suggest there is no way of leaving the EU. Like we are trapped in the EU forever, no matter how it evolves.

Are you comfortable with that?  I'm certainly not.

 

 

Of course he is, he lives in France ??

[The Renegade]

Hey Tebee

 

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You could try these

 

00 800 67 89 10 11 (from inside the EU)
+32 2 299 96 96 (from outside the EU)

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission/contact_en

 

Think they need as much help as they can muster.

Did you get a position ?

[tebee]

45 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Or just cancel VAT as it is an EU tax and the UK will no longer be part of the EU and will have no reason to charge VAT.

 

Keep trying, you are currently failing miserably.

 

 

Ah, brexiers, as always simple solutions.

 

And how do you propose to replace the 120 billion pound revenue the treasury get from it ?  Or shall we just abolish the NHS and the old age pension?  

[evadgib]

Meanwhile HMG are dilligently getting on with...

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/international-trade-secretary-travels-to-gulf-promoting-investment-and-british-businesses

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/we-have-neglected-latin-americas-realms-of-gold-for-too-long-brexit-can-change-that-article-by-boris-johnson

Edited May 30, 2018 by evadgib

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Orac said:

 

 

There will be opportunities for many with capital to invest and move quickly to take advantage of changing conditions for business - people like James Dyson and JRMs Somerset Asset Management.


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Yes, especially for Somerset, as the EU will soon be reclassified as an emerging market. ?

[The Renegade]

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

Ah, brexiers, as always simple solutions.

 

And how do you propose to replace the 120 billion pound revenue the treasury get from it ?  Or shall we just abolish the NHS and the old age pension?  

Did you accidentally on purpose miss my first comment ?

 

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You are aware that VAT is actually an EU tax and does not need to be applicable to the UK once it leaves the EU.

 

The UK Government may continue with VAT as a British Tax, but that would be a whole different discussion.

Easy when you know how ??

[Orac]

Meanwhile HMG are dilligently getting on with...
 
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/international-trade-secretary-travels-to-gulf-promoting-investment-and-british-businesses
 
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/we-have-neglected-latin-americas-realms-of-gold-for-too-long-brexit-can-change-that-article-by-boris-johnson

I wonder if Boris was sent so far out of the way deliberately - interesting that he has failed to mention that we already have a free trade deal with Peru, at least while we remain in the EU, and that he seems to be under the impression that the stumbling block with Argentina is a problem they have with France.


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[malagateddy]

Ah, brexiers, as always simple solutions.
 
And how do you propose to replace the 120 billion pound revenue the treasury get from it ?  Or shall we just abolish the NHS and the old age pension?  

As a young 67 year old..I can well remember a tax by the name of Purchase Tax which was well before vat[emoji6]

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[evadgib]

30 minutes ago, Orac said:

I wonder if Boris was sent so far out of the way deliberately - interesting that he has failed to mention that we already have a free trade deal with Peru, at least while we remain in the EU, and that he seems to be under the impression that the stumbling block with Argentina is a problem they have with France.

 

 

To be taken as read that anything served to the public differs significantly to the detail behind closed doors yet confirms they're getting on with it. 

[Orac]

To be taken as read that anything served to the public differs significantly to the detail behind closed doors yet confirms they're getting on with it. 

In other words propaganda if what they are saying differs from what they are doing.




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[Orac]

To be taken as read that anything served to the public differs significantly to the detail behind closed doors yet confirms they're getting on with it. 

In other words propaganda if what they are saying differs from what they are doing.




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[tebee]

Who said the EU is trying to stop us leaving, they are ready for "No Deal" - unlike us.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness_en

[adammike]

2 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Or just cancel VAT as it is an EU tax and the UK will no longer be part of the EU and will have no reason to charge VAT.

 

Keep trying, you are currently failing miserably.

 

 

Huh

[malagateddy]

Wonder what they'll do without the alleged 39 big ones??
Oh..I forgot..Mama Merkel will tell her citizens to dig deep snd smile??[emoji6]

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[candide]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Soros is interested in making money. Long term or short term.

Don't be fooled into thinking his efforts to derail Brexit are for any other reason.

I don't necessarily  disagree with you. What I am saying is that, if it is the case, it shows it has changed its focus from wild speculative operations (such as in 1992) to more standard and more long term investment. Otherwise he would jump at this new occasion to conduct more aggressive speculative operations.

[evadgib]

13 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

 

In other words propaganda if what they are saying differs from what they are doing.




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Do you seriously expect a running commentary simply because you have a social media account?

[Orac]

Do you seriously expect a running commentary simply because you have a social media account?

Not at all but you posted the articles and claimed they were evidence of some sort of progress.


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[evadgib]

I said 'Getting on with it' and have yet to see anything suggesting otherwise.

Edited May 30, 2018 by evadgib

[tebee]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The tone of most of your comments seems to suggest there is no way of leaving the EU. Like we are trapped in the EU forever, no matter how it evolves.

Are you comfortable with that?  I'm certainly not.

 

 

I'll be honest, as you may have guessed, I don't want us to leave.

 

But what is really worrying me  at me moment is we are due to leave in 9 months, we are nowhere near sorting out any sort of post-exit deal and we are totally unprepared for the no deal situation.

 

I'm not sure if the government is just chronically  incompetent or whether there is a secret plan to call the whole thing off at the last moment and they are too worried about losing face to admit it now.

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

I'll be honest, as you may have guessed, I don't want us to leave.

 

But what is really worrying me  at me moment is we are due to leave in 9 months, we are nowhere near sorting out any sort of post-exit deal and we are totally unprepared for the no deal situation.

 

I'm not sure if the government is just chronically  incompetent or whether there is a secret plan to call the whole thing off at the last moment and they are too worried about losing face to admit it now.

With hindsite we'd have been better off pulling the plug the Monday after the referendum & then negotiating deals in the other direction while keeping a tight grip on the purse. They'd have danced to our tune from the onset and Gina Miller would never have had a chance to react.

Edited May 30, 2018 by evadgib

[billd766]

2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

As a young 67 year old..I can well remember a tax by the name of Purchase Tax which was well before vat

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Me too.

[CG1 Blue]

44 minutes ago, tebee said:

I'll be honest, as you may have guessed, I don't want us to leave.

 

But what is really worrying me  at me moment is we are due to leave in 9 months, we are nowhere near sorting out any sort of post-exit deal and we are totally unprepared for the no deal situation.

 

I'm not sure if the government is just chronically  incompetent or whether there is a secret plan to call the whole thing off at the last moment and they are too worried about losing face to admit it now.

I agree with your broader point, i.e. lack of time / progress. Of course as a Brexit supporter my hopes for any secret plan are quite different to yours!

Before the real negotiations had even started I did hear that the EU team's tactic will be to push back on everything right up until the dying moments. The idea being to scare the opposition into concessions as the time runs out.  A bit like playing Chicken.

 

[The Boss]

Brexit HAS NOT created chaos....Our incompetent government has.

 

A class of 5 year olds could do a better job.

[billd766]

56 minutes ago, tebee said:

I'll be honest, as you may have guessed, I don't want us to leave.

 

But what is really worrying me  at me moment is we are due to leave in 9 months, we are nowhere near sorting out any sort of post-exit deal and we are totally unprepared for the no deal situation.

 

I'm not sure if the government is just chronically  incompetent or whether there is a secret plan to call the whole thing off at the last moment and they are too worried about losing face to admit it now.

 

I am a little curious. You constantly claim that you don't want "us" presumably the Brits to leave the EU yet you live in France.

 

Are you so concerned that after Brexit the French and the EU will kick you out? 

[The Renegade]

5 minutes ago, The Boss said:

Brexit HAS NOT created chaos....Our incompetent government has.

 

A class of 5 year olds could do a better job.

Are you sure Boss ?

 

I thought it was the dirty, underhand tricks thrown about like rice at a Chinese wedding in an attempt to thwart Brexit that caused the chaos.

[Grouse]

https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/

 

How about the holidays our MPs get! So little time, so many holidays. How about working continuously to get a good result? 18 weeks off is rather too generous I think. 

[aright]

17 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/

 

How about the holidays our MPs get! So little time, so many holidays. How about working continuously to get a good result? 18 weeks off is rather too generous I think. 

I don't think the 18 weeks is a holiday its time in their constituencies.

If you can believe this I don't think their holidays are excessive

 

John McEwan ABTA Chairman said: “Our first ABTA Parliamentary Holiday survey clearly shows that a summer break and other holidays throughout the year, are as important for our political representatives as for the rest of us. ABTA is calling on Government to recognise this importance and cancel the planned drastic increase in Air Passenger Duty this November which will see a family of four paying £360 in tax for a flight to Florida at a time when family budgets are already under severe pressure”

When asked how many holidays they would be taking this year, MPs and Peers replied; take no holiday: MPs 13% Peers 0%; take only one holiday: MPs 30% Peers 9%; take two holidays: MPs 50% Peers 41%; take three or more holidays: MPs 7% Peers 50%.
 

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, aright said:

I don't think the 18 weeks is a holiday its time in their constituencies.

If you can believe this I don't think their holidays are excessive

 

John McEwan ABTA Chairman said: “Our first ABTA Parliamentary Holiday survey clearly shows that a summer break and other holidays throughout the year, are as important for our political representatives as for the rest of us. ABTA is calling on Government to recognise this importance and cancel the planned drastic increase in Air Passenger Duty this November which will see a family of four paying £360 in tax for a flight to Florida at a time when family budgets are already under severe pressure”

When asked how many holidays they would be taking this year, MPs and Peers replied; take no holiday: MPs 13% Peers 0%; take only one holiday: MPs 30% Peers 9%; take two holidays: MPs 50% Peers 41%; take three or more holidays: MPs 7% Peers 50%.
 

Ok, I was bored!

 

How bout this?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/30/brexit-uk-may-get-poorer-access-than-israel-to-eu-science-scheme

 

?

[malagateddy]

As I have said before..the UK should state quite clearly that it is quite prepared to walk away with no deal then watch many of the eu member countries turn on brussels like a crazed pack of feral animals
Imo..the remoaners are men of straw or they stand to lose a lot of money when the UK breaks away from the eu.

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