Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[aright]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

I disagree.

 

Most citizens of prosperous countries wouldn't tolerate being under the control of an undemocratic club, and being dictated to by a bunch of foreign bureaucrats sitting in another country.

Apparently people living in French villages would.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

Jean-Claude Juncker’s limitless stupidity as he insults Italy.

 

With the two Eurosceptic parties in Italy in the process of forming a new government, some very astute political cajoling and sensitivity is needed from EU diplomats towards them, so what does Juncker do ……. he decides to give them all the anti-EU ammunition they could possibly hope for, and then loads their guns for them. I bet Merkel and Macron are absolutely seething with this muppet. If the UK doesn't get its skates on, Italy will beat us to the exit door.

 

This is from a report overnight in the Times

 

QUOTE

Italy’s new deputy prime minister accused the president of the European Commission of making a “shameful and racist” attack on Italians minutes after reaching an agreement for the formation of a new populist government yesterday.

 

Matteo Salvini, leader of the far-right League, reacted angrily to reports that Jean-Claude Juncker had told MEPs that Italians needed to work harder and be less corrupt.

 

“With the next government we will ensure that the rights and dignity of 60 million Italians are respected,” Mr Salvini said, adding that his compatriots expected collaboration and not insults from Europe. The clash could be the first of many involving the new Eurosceptic government.

 

Mr Juncker’s comments came as the leaders of the Five Star Movement and the League agreed a combined cabinet, presented at the presidential Quirinale Palace last night by Giuseppe Conte, the prime minister-designate.

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

Brexit is led by resentful exceptionalists who can’t bear being in a club on equal terms with France, Italy, Belgium; those delusions of grandeur are behind their cakeist conviction that the EU will change itself to give the UK a special deal. Brexit will eat itself. The success of the project hinges upon the exceptionalist myth being true that propelled the UK out of the EU in the first place. It’s built on lies and self-delusion, of COURSE their entire strategy has been “wait for the EU to recognise our indispensable greatness & roll over”.

 

“We’re too great to accept a dilution of sovereignty that is fine for the Dutch & Poles” translates into “they will bend the rules for us because British people must be sold BMWs and prosecco” and it was always bound to fail. The country is split into those who have always seen this and are incandescent with rage at the embarrassing folly that will ruin us, and those who won’t see it even when standing in the midst of that ruin.

 

This ruinous delusional arrogance isn’t solely the prerogative of  the UK, one of our neighbours went through a similar experience 70 years ago....

It's not an equal club though, is it. This excerpt is a bit dated, but you get the drift:

 

"Between 2010 and 2014 taxpayers in Britain, France and Germany ploughed net contributions of 127.5 billion euros into the Brussels project, according to official figures from the European Commission. 

But during the same time the Eastern European members of the club - some 10 former Communist countries - took out 134.5 billion euros in funding and subsidies. 

The figures mean that German taxpayers effectively cough up to fund the lifestyles of people in neighbouring Poland, while Britain's contribution is equivalent to what Spain and Portugal take out."

 

I won't even mention the bit where you compare Brexit to Nazi Germany.  I'll put that down to one too many sherries...

 

[tebee]

Industrialists warn May they will not invest if Brexit uncertainty persists

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f12785b0-642b-11e8-90c2-9563a0613e56?utm_campaign=e2938434b7-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_31_05_27

[evadgib]

The Spanish PM has just been toppled.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44327573

 

As for the bloke claiming to be ashamed to be British, I give you this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-44317170

 

'Lest we forget'

Edited June 1, 2018 by evadgib

[The Renegade]

20 minutes ago, evadgib said:

As for the bloke claiming to be ashamed to be British, I give you this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-44317170

 

'Lest we forget'

Respect 

[aright]

Yes! Total respect for Tommy Atkins.

 

 

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

[tebee]

How To Lose Friends & Influence Nothing ( Or, Brexit).

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

How To Lose Friends & Influence Nothing ( Or, Brexit).

( Deleted )

 

tebee, to respond in a serious manner, if you are not posting just for a laugh, it might be time to seek help. I really am starting to get a bit concerned for you.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

52 minutes ago, tebee said:

How To Lose Friends & Influence Nothing ( Or, Brexit).

tebee, I hope that this topic, and consequently this thread, are not becoming an obsession with you; even when you have nothing to say, you are still posting comments

Edited June 1, 2018 by Eloquent pilgrim

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

The Spanish PM has just been toppled.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44327573

 

As for the bloke claiming to be ashamed to be British, I give you this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-44317170

 

'Lest we forget'

I’m not sure who ‘the bloke claiming to be ashamed of being British’ is, but a long life selling poppies - hats off to that example of service in a good cause.

 

[Edit] And I certainly support corrupt and failing PMs being forced from office.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[metisdead]

A nonsense post has been removed as well as the replies. 

[Orac]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure who ‘the bloke claiming to be ashamed of being British’ is, but a long life selling poppies - hats off to that example of service in a good cause.

 

[Edit] And I certainly support corrupt and failing PMs being forced from office.

 

I think it was on the Tommy Robinson thread so a slightly different context.

[malagateddy]

Brexit is led by resentful exceptionalists who can’t bear being in a club on equal terms with France, Italy, Belgium; those delusions of grandeur are behind their cakeist conviction that the EU will change itself to give the UK a special deal. Brexit will eat itself. The success of the project hinges upon the exceptionalist myth being true that propelled the UK out of the EU in the first place. It’s built on lies and self-delusion, of COURSE their entire strategy has been “wait for the EU to recognise our indispensable greatness & roll over”.
 
“We’re too great to accept a dilution of sovereignty that is fine for the Dutch & Poles” translates into “they will bend the rules for us because British people must be sold BMWs and prosecco” and it was always bound to fail. The country is split into those who have always seen this and are incandescent with rage at the embarrassing folly that will ruin us, and those who won’t see it even when standing in the midst of that ruin.
 
This ruinous delusional arrogance isn’t solely the prerogative of  the UK, one of our neighbours went through a similar experience 70 years ago....

With respect..people voted LEAVE for many many different reasons.
I personally voted Leave as
1/ I had quite enough of unelected jobsworths "running the show".

2/ The wrong kind of immigrants moving to the UK.

3/ As a Royalist and a Unionist and a Glaswegian..it was a chance to give the 2 fingers to the incompetent snp govt in Scotland.

I could give you some other reasons..but I call a spade a spade so cannot say on this Forum.

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[tebee]

Brexit is complex, frighteningly complex and no one understood it 

 

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/brexit-vote-two-years-on

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit is complex, frighteningly complex and no one understood it 

 

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/brexit-vote-two-years-on

So because it's complex we should never leave the EU, no matter how bad it gets?

To me that rings alarm bells, and says we should leave ASAP before it gets even more difficult to leave.

[tebee]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

So because it's complex we should never leave the EU, no matter how bad it gets?

To me that rings alarm bells, and says we should leave ASAP before it gets even more difficult to leave.

No, but we certainly shouldn't have charged into it without thinking like we did, because now, nobody knows what to do .

 

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, tebee said:

No, but we certainly shouldn't have charged into it without thinking like we did, because now, nobody knows what to do .

 

Most leave voters had lots of time to think and all they were waiting for was an opportunity.

 

A government not led by a remainer would know what to do.

 

 

[nauseus]

38 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit is complex, frighteningly complex and no one understood it 

 

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/brexit-vote-two-years-on

Yes, eerily, scarily and creepily complex. Why should that be?

[StreetCowboy]

28 minutes ago, tebee said:

No, but we certainly shouldn't have charged into it without thinking like we did, because now, nobody knows what to do .

 

Thinking is for nanny-pambies.  We know what we want, and it’s quite clear; Brexit.  No more European bureaucrats, no more foreign workers, no more borderless trade, no more visaless travel, Alf Garnett on TV, no control or influence on international standards, unequal treaties with the Chinese and an embarrassing reliance on the indulgence of an orange buffoon.

[StreetCowboy]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Most leave voters had lots of time to think and all they were waiting for was an opportunity.

 

A government not led by a remainer would know what to do.

 

 

I am surprised that you elected one.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, StreetCowboy said:

I am surprised that you elected one.

Why? The main parties are all sponsored by the multinationals which just lurve the EU. Little choice unfortunately.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

No, but we certainly shouldn't have charged into it without thinking like we did, because now, nobody knows what to do .

 

 

You may have charged into it, without thinking but many of us Brexiteerrs DID think long and hard about it before we voted to leave.

 

David Cameron certainly didn't think about it.

[The Renegade]

10 hours ago, tebee said:

No, but we certainly shouldn't have charged into it without thinking like we did, because now, nobody knows what to do .

Anyone who is older than a millennial never charged into anything.

 

Remainers do not know what to do, because they never thought for a second that the vote would be leave. In addition, it is not really a case of not knowing what to do, it is more a case of a Remainer, the UK PM still trying desperately to keep the UK joined at the hip to the EU.

 

With all the Trade wars currently escalating around the world, what's not to like about trading under WTO rules ?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

19 hours ago, tebee said:

“We’re too great to accept a dilution of sovereignty that is fine for the Dutch & Poles”

You have enclosed this in quotation marks, but fail to name the source of the quote; so can you tell me who said this please ...... thanks 

[tebee]

13 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

You have enclosed this in quotation marks, but fail to name the source of the quote; so can you tell me who said this please ...... thanks 

 

It a "scare" quote - a technique used to convey that the words within them contain things with which the author may not agree - as itdeed are the other "quotes" in that post which for some reason you don't queary .

 

See  https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/the-scare-quote-2016-in-a-punctuation-mark/511319/

[Eloquent pilgrim]

11 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

It a "scare" quote - a technique used to convey that the words within them contain things with which the author may not agree - as itdeed are the other "quotes" in that post which for some reason you don't queary .

 

See  https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/the-scare-quote-2016-in-a-punctuation-mark/511319/

Okay, thanks. So, you just made it up and disguised it as a quotation, to add emphasis. I see, a cunning stunt indeed.

 

I must admit it did scare me, as did itdeed and queary, but I’m easily scared these days

[candide]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Most leave voters had lots of time to think and all they were waiting for was an opportunity.

 

A government not led by a remainer would know what to do.

 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote

?

[tebee]

OK, in my professional life I used to be a computer programer,so I'm used to thinking and deducting logically. Forgive me if I say I can't quite get my head round some of the leavers thinking as I can't find the logic in it. To try and help me getter a better understanding of the leaver mindset can I ask the leavers on here a few questions?

 

Firstly - do you consider the vote was to leave the EU completely and absolutely - no future CU or FTA, trade on WTO  only - even if that option does major damage to our economy, peoples jobs and peoples lives ? 

[The Renegade]

14 minutes ago, tebee said:

Firstly - do you consider the vote was to leave the EU completely and absolutely

In simple terms that are easy to understand - YES

 

As a follow on to that, it is obvious to those that can think logically, that there are certain aspects of the EU that would be beneficial to the both the UK and the EU to remain partners. These can be discussed after the UK leaves. 

 

18 minutes ago, tebee said:

no future CU or FTA, trade on WTO  only

You are not applying logic, you are applying hyperbole. WTO is the default leave position, it is up to both the UK and the EU to come up with a Trading Agreement that is better than WTO rules. It would appear to me that the EU has no intention of negotiating this as they are still trying to keep the UK shackled to Brussels and the ECJ.

 

Now let me ask you to put your logical thinking to good use and answer this.

 

In 2016 

 

The EU exported some £300 - 350 Billion worth of goods and services to the UK.

 

The UK exported some £200 - 250 Billion worth of goods and services to the EU.

 

If the EU wants the UK to pay to access the EU market, why should the UK not demand that the EU pay to access the UK market ?