Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[nontabury]

48 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

And did you even consider that despite the enormous media coverage of the Asian sex gangs, the demographics of sex offenders still show white British men clearly in the lead?  The thing is, there have always been men committing sex offences in the UK, it did not start when the Pakistani's came to the UK, so to attempt to blame them for a social issue is just scapegoating, much like trying to blame people trafficking on the Roma.

Unfortunately white British men also commit these crimes, yet if you care to look at the percentages, you will find the Muslim men lead the way. And let’s not omit the fact that the Muslim paedophiles specifically targeted White vulnerable young girls. They were of course helped,some would say encouraged by the liberals in our society, who were prepared to turn a blind eye ( in the case of Rotherham,for many years) in the name of political correctness. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

And did you even consider that despite the enormous media coverage of the Asian sex gangs, the demographics of sex offenders still show white British men clearly in the lead?  The thing is, there have always been men committing sex offences in the UK, it did not start when the Pakistani's came to the UK, so to attempt to blame them for a social issue is just scapegoating, much like trying to blame people trafficking on the Roma.

Well thanks very much for the apologist’s spin. 84% of the huge number of grooming gang rapes and abuses of young white girls (a targeted group) were by Asian (mostly Pakistani men) ….. the Pakistani population of the UK is about 1.7% which includes women and children. Do the maths, face the reality, and whatever your views on Brexit, please stop defending these barbarians and their third world culture of misogyny and rape.

[Kieran00001]

19 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Unfortunately white British men also commit these crimes, yet if you care to look at the percentages, you will find the Muslim men lead the way. And let’s not omit the fact that the Muslim paedophiles specifically targeted White vulnerable young girls. They were of course helped,some would say encouraged by the liberals in our society, who were prepared to turn a blind eye ( in the case of Rotherham,for many years) in the name of political correctness. 

 

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Well thanks very much for the apologist’s spin. 84% of the huge number of grooming gang rapes and abuses of young white girls (a targeted group) were by Asian (mostly Pakistani men) ….. the Pakistani population of the UK is about 1.7% which includes women and children. Do the maths, face the reality, and whatever your views on Brexit, please stop defending these barbarians and their third world culture of misogyny and rape.

 

Yes, grooming gangs is their thing, and it has been a shocking discovery for all of us.  However 90% of people on the sex offenders register in the UK for crimes against children are actually white British men, just because Asians have groomed the most children in gangs doesn't mean they have groomed the most children in total.  And is there any particular reason why we are making a distinction between street grooming gangs and the organised abuse of children in care?  They seem similar cases to me.

[The Renegade]

6 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Ignore.

 

Full attack & insult mode has been launched. Only has one meaning, even their safe spaces are not enough to keep them safe from the disaster area the EU is fast becoming.

I should also have added the strawmen posts, meant to deflect from the topic.

 

Why does this happen ? They have nothing to say of any substance regarding the topic.

[StreetCowboy]

3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

 

Yes, grooming gangs is their thing, and it has been a shocking discovery for all of us.  However 90% of people on the sex offenders register in the UK for crimes against children are actually white British men, just because Asians have groomed the most children in gangs doesn't mean they have groomed the most children in total.  And is there any particular reason why we are making a distinction between street grooming gangs and the organised abuse of children in care?  They seem similar cases to me.

The great thing is that once we get rid of the Poles and Romanians, we can bring in cheap Bangladeshi labour by the boat-load, and freed from the shackles of the European Court of Justice, we can house them in labour camps and bus them round the country to where they're needed free of interference from busy-body liberals with 'European Values'.

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

I should also have added the strawmen posts, meant to deflect from the topic.

 

Why does this happen ? They have nothing to say of any substance regarding the topic.

 

Because they listened to the campaign material and that turned to serve best in the creation of strawman arguments, it has all been quite predictable.

[Kieran00001]

Quote

“Let’s imagine what else this money could buy:…

hundreds of new schools,

 pioneering health and scientific research,

...a small fraction of the money that the EU takes from us each year could be used to give junior doctors the pay settlement they are looking for,

...we would be able to spend our money on priorities here in the UK like abolishing prescription charges,

, state of the art hospitals,

The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support - or perhaps even more - as they get now.

we could build new roads

improve the railways

expand regional airports,

we will be able to end unfair state aid rules, and support struggling industries like Steel,

It could pay for fourteen Astute Class Submarines,

You can set up a British DARPA,

think about this:…lower taxes , abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills, give everyone a 60 per cent council tax cut!"

 

A selection from the Vote Leave, 'Pretend there's some money, they're poor they'll like that idea', series.

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

And did you even consider that despite the enormous media coverage of the Asian sex gangs, the demographics of sex offenders still show white British men clearly in the lead?  The thing is, there have always been men committing sex offences in the UK, it did not start when the Pakistani's came to the UK, so to attempt to blame them for a social issue is just scapegoating, much like trying to blame people trafficking on the Roma.

Media coverage has been conspicuously lacking actually.  The public are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

 

The media cover-up is helping to perpetuate the problem of these grooming gangs.

The media cover up, and people like you who use diversionary tactics to support your argument. You should feel ashamed.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2018 by CG1 Blue

[The Renegade]

George Soros, the man currently backing and financing another attempt at keeping the UK in the EU, now has this to say.

 

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George Soros, the billionaire anti-Brexit campaigner, has warned the European Union could collapse if Brussels fails to appease Italy's new Eurosceptic government and reform the eurozone.

 

The euro has many unresolved problems and they must not be allowed to destroy the EU," he wrote in an opinion piece for the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/04/eu-will-dig-grave-tries-punish-italy-warns-george-soros/

 

And yet he wants to keep the UK shackled to the EU.

 

A bit like remainers on here, cannot see, or choose to ignore the gathering storm clouds.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

Most books are printed by the establishment to cow you into obedience to faceless foreign bureaucrats.  

 

If it's not printed on recycled paper on an old roneostat machine, you can't trust it; not unless its published anonymously on the  web.

 

EDIT: Look at the first book ever printed: The Bible, intended to cow you into obedience to a faceless foreign bureaucrat allegedly appointed by God through the mystic wisdom of a bunch of cardinals.

 

 

quote 

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Did you know that there were a people called the Romans who brought us many things, no of course you didn't, they were before your time, right?  Ever heard of books?

 

Do please tell all in your great wisdom how many printed books the romans brought over?

 

If the books were in Latin what use were they to the population of England?

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

Some people are sceptical whether the 60s ever happened.  I very much doubt England ever won the World Cup.

 

Tis is true I tell 'ee.

 

I watched it on the telly at my mates house in 1966.

 

The 1960s certainly did happen. I know cos I was there.

Edited June 4, 2018 by billd766
added extra text

[adammike]

5 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Rotherham, Peterborough, Newcastle, Rochdale, Oxford and Telford ……..

personally, I put these appalling problems way before any economic benefits that male Pakistani immigrants have brought to the UK

When I lived in Peterborough early 70s the immigrants? were mostly from Italy I worked with their kids in catering,My Catholic secondary modern school in Chatham 1961-1966 was populated by kids of war refugees and lots of Irish, English kids and teachers were in a minority,The UK has always been able to take them in and absorb them.Though it does seem Islam is a problem maybe we should stop bombing them and live and let live.I guess some of us will have to take to the streets when the Blackshirts rear their ugly heads.See you on the barricades,what side of them will you be on.

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

quote 

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Did you know that there were a people called the Romans who brought us many things, no of course you didn't, they were before your time, right?  Ever heard of books?

 

Do please tell all in your great wisdom how many printed books the romans brought over?

 

If the books were in Latin what use were they to the population of England?

 

 

The book I referred to was, like the books you may read about the Romans, written after the period in question, it was my assumption that no one questions that there were Romans, they take the history books word for it, but with landlords not taking in Irish not only are the history books not enough, but neither are the living witnesses accounts, it was in the 60's, we know it happened.

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

A selection from the Vote Leave, 'Pretend there's some money, they're poor they'll like that idea', series.

I could be the catalyst that sparks a revolution...

Words don’t come easy, but they do come cheap.

[StreetCowboy]

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Tis is true I tell 'ee.

 

I watched it on the telly at my mates house in 1966.

 

The 1960s certainly did happen. I know cos I was there.

That’s just a drug-addled fantasy.  Wembley ‘66, the moon landings, cruel hoaxes perpetrated on the working man to drive him into debt and tax slavery, in thrall to foreign powers.

[malagateddy]

 
Try Larchgrove if you think it wasn't going on in Glasgow before immigration, it was being done by white Scottish men, trafficking children all over the country for the sexual pleasure of other white British men, its not related to immigration, all races and all nationalities have this perversion present in their communities.

I remember larchgrove being a young offenders remand centre.
I do not recall anything bei g in the papers re child prostitution..trafficking.
I did read however the blair miranda..now that is something else.

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[Grouse]

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

George Soros, the man currently backing and financing another attempt at keeping the UK in the EU, now has this to say.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/04/eu-will-dig-grave-tries-punish-italy-warns-george-soros/

 

And yet he wants to keep the UK shackled to the EU.

 

A bit like remainers on here, cannot see, or choose to ignore the gathering storm clouds.

Quite the reverse

 

He is advocating change or at least adaption. I agree.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

quote 

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Did you know that there were a people called the Romans who brought us many things, no of course you didn't, they were before your time, right?  Ever heard of books?

 

Do please tell all in your great wisdom how many printed books the romans brought over?

 

If the books were in Latin what use were they to the population of England?

 

Roman books? What do they teach these days?

[Kwasaki]

10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Roman books? What do they teach these days?

Where to find tomato favoured crisps.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

I remember larchgrove being a young offenders remand centre.
I do not recall anything bei g in the papers re child prostitution..trafficking.
I did read however the blair miranda..now that is something else.

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

Peter Righton, a convicted nonse and also one of the founding members of PIE who are linked to all sorts of child sex offences, headed the investigation following allegations of child abuse at Larchgrove back in 1973, he found nothing to his disliking, but a few years ago they reopened the investigation.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

That’s just a drug-addled fantasy.  Wembley ‘66, the moon landings, cruel hoaxes perpetrated on the working man to drive him into debt and tax slavery, in thrall to foreign powers.

 

Not so. I was an airman of the Queen at the time and the truth be known the only drugs I took at the time came in pint mugs of Tolly Cobbold, Lakens Old Heavy, Watneys draft Red Barrel and Commanderia St John sherry in gallon jugs when I got the chance in Libya, flown in from Cyprus.

 

I do believe in debt as we got paid every fortnight and used to be almost out of money by day 12, which I why I drank Watneys Red Barrel but tax slavery never reared its ugly face.

[StreetCowboy]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Not so. I was an airman of the Queen at the time and the truth be known the only drugs I took at the time came in pint mugs of Tolly Cobbold, Lakens Old Heavy, Watneys draft Red Barrel and Commanderia St John sherry in gallon jugs when I got the chance in Libya, flown in from Cyprus.

 

I do believe in debt as we got paid every fortnight and used to be almost out of money by day 12, which I why I drank Watneys Red Barrel but tax slavery never reared its ugly face.

Tax slavery has a pretty painted face of welfare and national pride and independence and support for our industries.

[aright]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

If the books were in Latin what use were they to the population of England?

 

Ut et usui fuit quam Taurus tits.?

As useful as tits on a bull

Edited June 4, 2018 by aright

[tebee]

Sometimes, when I'm talking about Brexit with leavers , I'm reminded of this

 

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-3

[soalbundy]

35 minutes ago, tebee said:

Sometimes, when I'm talking about Brexit with leavers , I'm reminded of this

 

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-3

Nobody can know how this is going to turn out or even if it's going to happen or on what basis leave will be ( TM has noticeably stopped saying brexit means brexit and instead 'we will leave' but the terms are still nebulous ). I feel that to leave is unfortunate but paths have two directions of travel.  

[evadgib]

She's getting on with it:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-meeting-with-business-advisory-council-4-june-2018

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

I feel that to leave is unfortunate but paths have two directions of travel.

That's just an individuals view to think it's unfortunate.

Italy is in the frame at the mo and some say it could be the beginning of the end of the EU club.

Also some so called experts are still convinced the Euro was a mistake.

I think it's not two paths it's more like EU & UK are on a roundabout.? 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

Interesting article in the Times Online overnight

This is some of it

 

QUOTE

****The guardians of the European flame seem at last to have woken up to populism. But are they too late? Spain and Italy, two of the eurozone’s largest economies, are now in the hands of populists who are also novices at governing. These are further crosses to bear for the Brussels elite whose vision of a united Europe is under ever-increasing strain. Charles Bremner reports

 

The leaders of France and Germany, whose predecessors in the late 1940s launched the European scheme, are attempting to fix the machine. They are to produce a joint plan at the late June EU summit.

 

Mr Macron, a firm believer, has been campaigning for months to “relaunch” the union with ideas that will inspire all its citizens. With his habitual energy, he is dramatising the stakes, calling it Europe’s last chance to get its act together.

 

The union must show its might as protector and guarantor of prosperity and justice, he says. The Franco-German “locomotive” should once again power the agreements, and the monetary union at its core must show more solidarity with the southern states, he says.

 

This classically French vision has so far failed to sell beyond the Rhine, but Chancellor Merkel has finally unveiled her answer to the Macron overhaul. She called for common asylum standards, a European border police force and a pan-European migration agency. In a gesture to Hungary, Poland and the reluctant easterners, she backed a “flexible system” in which countries that refuse to take on refugees could compensate by making contributions in other areas ****

 

I foresee a couple of huge problems here

 

1. Macron’s plan to show more solidarity with the southern states, basically means that northern Europe must write bigger cheques for Club Med, which won't wash with Germany, the French public, or any other northern members.

 

2. How can Merkel now allow the EU to be bullied into permitting the V4 countries and Austria, to negotiate away their immigrant quotas, while expecting her own electorate and other member states to leave the door wide open. If this kind of compromise had been offered to Cameron, we would never have had a referendum the first place. Too late Mrs M 

 

The EU is straightjacketed by it's own rules and has outrun any popular legitimacy it may once have had; it doesn't know what to do next to try and stem the flow of populism, and is weakened by every single election throughout the Union.

 

For far too long, the Franco-German locomotive, as Macron, correctly, but somewhat undiplomatically calls it, has been giving disproportionate advantage to its driver and its stoker. This imbalance of power and authority can only be maintained for so long through bureaucratic gymnastics, before you forfeit any claim to democratic legitimacy.

 

Not a good framework for far reaching, and for some expensive, reform. Far too little, far too late, the Union is in great danger of imploding before the UK gets to leave. I await with interest the new plan at the end of June summit.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

Sometimes, when I'm talking about Brexit with leavers , I'm reminded of this

 

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-3

 

So that is where your reference to books came from.

 

You must have time on your hands doing nothing if that is what you read.

 

TBH I have never heard of the comic.

 

My comic book reading stopped with the Beano, Dandy, Eagle etc about 59 years ago,

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

That's just an individuals view to think it's unfortunate.

Italy is in the frame at the mo and some say it could be the beginning of the end of the EU club.

Also some so called experts are still convinced the Euro was a mistake.

I think it's not two paths it's more like EU & UK are on a roundabout.? 

 

The problem with the roundabout is that there are no direction signs telling them where to come off.