Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[Grouse]

32 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

 

As they are 6 of the top 10 of Europe's poorest Countries, can you explain why they will increase the domestic market ?

 

Unless of course, you mean flood them with other Countries money, let Capitalism flourish and turn them into debt slaves.

https://tradingeconomics.com/poland/gdp-per-capita

 

Take Poland as an example. I think their economy has expanded significantly as a direct result of being members of the EU

[transam]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

But it's very possible that leave had more cash to spend because they flouted the referendum rules - so cheating works !

Now that is a daft comment....

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://tradingeconomics.com/poland/gdp-per-capita

 

Take Poland as an example. I think their economy has expanded significantly as a direct result of being members of the EU

Well a great many Polish now reside in the UK, perhaps reduced the Pole gov payouts eh...

[The Renegade]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

With a simple majority challenges to the result over overspending by one side,  outside influence and people not knowing what the were voting for have some validity that they wouldn't have if we had needed a supermajority .

tebee

 

The terms of the Referendum were known before the Referendum took place.

 

The only term that was fixed was

 

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This is your decision, the Government will implement what you decide

You cannot cry after the event that only X% voted or it was only decided by 52% - 48%.

 

Read this, and then come back and tell me that the vote was not decisive

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016

 

It is physically impossible that ALL these UK Regions, Major Cities and Local Regions:

 

1. Did not know what they were voting for.

 

2. Are all Racist, Right Wing, Xenophobic Tories or UKippers

 

3. Are all uneducated or have sub standard education.

[Grouse]

15 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

As I Said, hypocrisy personified, old bean. However, it’s a shame that among your intellectually superior remain buddies, you do not have a French language speaker. Then you wouldn’t have to rely on a mere Brexiteer like myself to correct your French, in the helpful way that I did.

As I recall, I did indeed thank you for correcting my lamentable French.

 

Now kindly stop the childish posts or face another complaint

[The Renegade]

8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

You're kidding, right?

 

Did you not see or read about the remain demonstrations (including many placards and the like) following the referendum result?

There is a Remain Demo on Saturday.

 

It will be interesting to see how these highly educated remainers conduct themselves ??

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I don't think remain people do placards and posters. A little too populist don't you think.

But when they do placards, they are straight to the point and no holding back.

I hope this meets TVs criteria of not being too vulgar, obscene and profane. ???

 

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

tebee

 

The terms of the Referendum were known before the Referendum took place.

 

The only term that was fixed was

 

You cannot cry after the event that only X% voted or it was only decided by 52% - 48%.

 

Read this, and then come back and tell me that the vote was not decisive

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016

 

It is physically impossible that ALL these UK Regions, Major Cities and Local Regions:

 

1. Did not know what they were voting for.

 

2. Are all Racist, Right Wing, Xenophobic Tories or UKippers

 

3. Are all uneducated or have sub standard education.

The government stated in parliament that a supermajority was not needed because the referendum  was only advisory.

 

You seem to think we can change the British constitution by sending out a leaflet - your opinion of British Democracy seems very poor then. 

 

I'm not saying any of those challenges are valid - though they may be - I'm saying that a supermajority would have avoided them and we would not be in the turmoil we are now. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

5 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

There is a Remain Demo on Saturday.

 

It will be interesting to see how these highly educated remainers conduct themselves ??

It will be comforting for them if they are being permitted to take their teddy-bear’s with them

[Grouse]

6 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

There is a Remain Demo on Saturday.

 

It will be interesting to see how these highly educated remainers conduct themselves ??

You are still very confused about statistics aren't you? I have stated that people with tertiary education tended to vote remain. I did not say that all remainers were necessarily highly educated. What on earth is your profession?

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[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

You seem to think we can change the British constitution by sending out a leaflet - your opinion of British Democracy seems very poor then. 

Changing the Constitution 

 

???

 

It was Referendum on leaving the EU

 

The only laid down stipulation was

 

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This is your decision, the Government will implement what you decide

No amount of Red herrings, straw clutching or feet stamping is going to change that.

[The Renegade]

5 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

It will be comforting for them if they are being permitted to take their teddy-bear’s with them

They might also need their comfort blankets, I think safe spaces might be a bit of a stretch ??

Edited June 18, 2018 by The Renegade

[dick dasterdly]

6 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

There is a Remain Demo on Saturday.

 

It will be interesting to see how these highly educated remainers conduct themselves ??

I'm sure that (unlike in the past....), they'll have no placards ?.

[billd766]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 What you actually said was 

 

 "I think" IS the same thing as I think!

 

It is your term "after a period of time" which makes your thought incorrect. There is no residential qualifying period for non British citizens  to be able to vote in those UK elections they are qualified to vote in. They can do so immediately they become UK residents. Provided, of course, they register on their local electoral register.

 

Wrong once again.

 

If you are going to quote me please stick to the rules and quote me in full.

 

What I actually said was "I think, but I am not sure".

 

What that means is that until I check further I may be right or wrong. When I have time to research it (I had to go out) I will post what I find.

 

As it happens several other posters helped me out so I had no need to post further.

 

Please don't bother to tell me how I think, as they are MY thoughts and nobody elses and I am the only person who knows what they are until I put them in a post.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, soalbundy said:

we are still waiting to see what this access will look like.

 

Don't hold your breath for too long.

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

You are still very confused about statistics aren't you? I have stated that people with tertiary education tended to vote remain. I did not say that all remainers were necessarily highly educated. What on earth is your profession?

YOU were the one that brought up:-

 

 "I don't think remain people do placards and posters. A little too populist don't you think."!

 

I pointed out that this was obviously untrue, and so you're back to the remain vote was due to 'the uneducated'.... , with no consideration as to the entirely different lives lead by the wealthy compared to the poor!  Which IMO, is far more of a factor when it came to the referendum vote.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

41 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I don't think remain people do placards and posters. A little too populist don't you think.

Well, I imagine it must be difficult to hold a placard up with one thumb permanently stuck in your mouth.

[billd766]

59 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Correct

 

This gives a far more in depth analysis than the 52 - 48 mantra and a whole different picture.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016

 

Which breaks it down by UK Regions, Major Cities and finally Local Regions.

 

 

Thank you for that interesting link and breakdown.

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, billd766 said:

 

Thank you for that interesting link and breakdown.

Hopefully this will 'shut up' the 'it was only a small majority' brigade.

 

But of course, it won't....☹️

[billd766]

25 minutes ago, tebee said:

The government stated in parliament that a supermajority was not needed because the referendum  was only advisory.

 

You seem to think we can change the British constitution by sending out a leaflet - your opinion of British Democracy seems very poor then. 

 

I'm not saying any of those challenges are valid - though they may be - I'm saying that a supermajority would have avoided them and we would not be in the turmoil we are now. 

 

You seem to believe that you are right and the government was wrong.

 

You failed to vote in the referendum, failed to complain to David Camerons government that in your opinion the referendum terms were wrong and should have been amended before the referendum and have consistently whined about it since.

 

Far greater minds than yours have challenged the government and failed. The majority of the people accepted the referendum as legal.

 

The government at the time said before the referendum that they would carry out the wishes of the majority who voted in that referendum.

 

If you want to affect Brexit, go and stand for parliament, and IF you win a seat, then you may be able to do something. Brexit will be over by the next election anyway.

 

IMHO very few people on this forum care that you think the referendum result was wrong so can you please give it a rest for a day or two?

[billd766]

32 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

It will be comforting for them if they are being permitted to take their teddy-bear’s with them

 

Don't forget that nannies can come along too.

[The Renegade]

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Don't forget that nannies can come along too.

Perhaps not ??

 

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You have to feel for some people. For them, Brexit is an utter disaster. They moan about those ignorant working class people who voted to leave the EU last year. Those people living in the wastelands of the North and the Midlands are not educated; they don't understand the nuances; they don't understand the consequences. How could they? They are not as cultured as we are. They don't have second homes in France - they can't even speak French. We drink wine from some of the finest vineyards in the world - they drink strong lager. It really says it all. 

 

Now the Remoaners have something else to moan about: a lack of au pairs. 

http://www.tfa.net/brexit_blues_for_some_remainers_who_can_t_get_au_pairs

 

???

 

Who does that sound like ??

Edited June 18, 2018 by The Renegade

[tebee]

38 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Changing the Constitution 

 

???

 

It was Referendum on leaving the EU

 

The only laid down stipulation was

 

No amount of Red herrings, straw clutching or feet stamping is going to change that.

You may not have realized it old bean, but Britain has always( for values of always < 400 or so years)  been a parliamentary democracy. If the referendum is to be binding on that parliament , that means we have changed our constitution to a direct democracy model  - I think we should have discussed this first ?

[tebee]

16 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

......

 

Far greater minds than yours have challenged the government and failed. The majority of the people accepted the referendum as legal.

 

......

The referendum might be legal, but it is not, and can not be, binding.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Soros..massive financial concerns threw money at the remain camp..as we forum chat right now..soros us at it again.
What right has a hungarian/american billionaire got to stick his nose into British affairs.
Oh I forgot..his new world order..kalergi plan??

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Unlike the ‘Leave Campain’ the Remain campaign was not found by the Electoral Comission to have committed multiple breaches of election law lawmakers, to have over spent or falsely accounted its spending.

 

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-donations/leave.eu-fined-for-multiple-breaches-of-electoral-law-following-investigation

 

Unlike the head of the Leave campaign, the head of the Remain campaign has not been referred to the police for breaches of electoral law.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/a3b72900-54e2-11e8-b24e-cad6aa67e23e

 

[Chomper Higgot]

42 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

YOU were the one that brought up:-

 

 "I don't think remain people do placards and posters. A little too populist don't you think."!

 

I pointed out that this was obviously untrue, and so you're back to the remain vote was due to 'the uneducated'.... , with no consideration as to the entirely different lives lead by the wealthy compared to the poor!  Which IMO, is far more of a factor when it came to the referendum vote.

I’m sure there are more important Brexit issues than who does or does not do placards.

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

I was on tour of the UK in the weeks leading up to the vote and from what I saw, felt and heard it was not a surprise to me that the result turned out as it did, nor am I convinced that was all done on age grounds, plenty of young people voted to leave as well.

I was on a major tour of the Soi Buakaow region leading up to the vote and the usual bunch of loud-mouthed racists were lining up to support Leave so I have to say that doom was already baked into the cake.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

tebee

 

The terms of the Referendum were known before the Referendum took place.

 

The only term that was fixed was

 

You cannot cry after the event that only X% voted or it was only decided by 52% - 48%.

 

Read this, and then come back and tell me that the vote was not decisive

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016

 

It is physically impossible that ALL these UK Regions, Major Cities and Local Regions:

 

1. Did not know what they were voting for.

 

2. Are all Racist, Right Wing, Xenophobic Tories or UKippers

 

3. Are all uneducated or have sub standard education.

You cannot make any claim that the referendum suspends the democratic process.

 

Farage Understood this when he said:

 

“In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

 

The UK is a democracy, your support for the longstanding British democratic process is very welcome.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[The Renegade]

35 minutes ago, tebee said:

You may not have realized it old bean, but Britain has always( for values of always < 400 or so years)  been a parliamentary democracy. If the referendum is to be binding on that parliament , that means we have changed our constitution to a direct democracy model  - I think we should have discussed this first ?

???

 

Sheer brilliance again tebee

 

The Referendum was held.

 

A Court case ensued brought about by a remainer.

 

As a result of that Court case. In January 2017 a Parliamentary vote was held and by a majority of 4-1, Parliament accepted the result of the Referendum and voted to trigger Article 50.

 

Any argument you have on the terms of the Referendum are now null and void.

 

Any argument you have on the actual Referendum are now null and void.

 

The only argument that you may have is with the Parliamentary vote of January 2017 to trigger Article 50. Go ahead, something tells me you will not get very far with any argument.

 

The UK does not have a codified Constitution, so I agree, the UK should be having a discussion on having a full, written Constitution.

Edited June 18, 2018 by The Renegade