Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[transam]

4 minutes ago, tebee said:

Parliament authorized TM to invoke art 50, the  can equally  authorize her to ask to withdraw it.

 

1. yes they might not allow it, but I don't think they'd like to be blamed for the resulting chaos.

 

2. I could be political suicide not to withdraw it - much depends on how the mood of the country changes as the effects of possible Brexit start to be felt.

 

3. Circumstances have changed and we could very well have another GE in the intervening time. 

3)...What has changed...?

[tebee]

34 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Population of Poland is about 40M so about 5% emigrated to U.K. I believe that flow has reversed but correct me.

 

GDP per capita has grown steadily since 2004 when Poland joined the EU and of course GBP wages now buy less Euro.

 

 

If you compare it on a PPP basis ( adjusted for cost of living) it's $26,000 as opposed to the UKs $39,000 so even closer. 

[tebee]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

3)...What has changed...?

It's gong to be  the easiest deal ever negotiated, they need us more than we need them , we can have our cake( with cherries on the top) and eat it too...... 

 

No one seemed to anticipate the problems with the borders in Ireland and Gibraltar.

 

Brexit has gone from promised sunlit uplands to probably won't be armageddon.

 

Even Nigel Farage is now says it was obvious people would be poorer with Brexit.  

[sandyf]

The whole brexit concept of the UK being better off doing trade deals with the rest of the world is nothing short of fantasy.

Over 50 percent of the UK workforce is employed by SME's and SME's do not want to trade with the rest of the world, if they did they would be doing it already.

 

2.5.3 Challenges to the internationalisation of UK SMEs

"UK SMEs’ views on barriers to exporting are impacted depending on whether the SME already exports or not. Figure 57 shows the two barriers identified most frequently by non-exporters are a lack of specialised staff and financial constraints. However, for those already exporting, these two barriers are near the bottom of the list with language skills and administrative procedures being more readily identified."

"Note: SMEs with exporting experience include SMEs which have exported in the past three years and SMEs which have not exported in the past three years but used to export and stopped or tried to export and gave up. SMEs without export experience are SMEs which have not exported in the past three years. They might consider export or currently try to export, however, or they believe that they will never export. Source: European Commission (2015)"

"This is likely to be due to a couple of reasons, either there are differences in the circumstances of the two SME groups or barriers that appear to exist before you export become less of an issue with experience."

"Unsurprisingly, as with all the EU, more UK SMEs surveyed exported within the EU than outside. However, the data also show a greater percentage of UK SMEs export to the US than any of the other four countries’ SMEs (Figure 58). Given the barriers to trade highlighted by UK SMEs, this could add further weight to the suggestion that UK companies feel more confident and comfortable in dealing with the US due to the common language, as well as cultural and historical ties between the two countries."

"The same picture is repeated for imports with a greater percentage of UK SMEs compared to EU SMEs importing from the US whilst less SMEs import from most other regions. With trading and customs arrangements with the EU are yet to be decided post-Brexit, it is likely the uncertainty around future financial and regulatory costs of trading with the EU for UK SMEs will further add to the real or perceived barriers for many."

https://www.cdp.it/ImagePub.aspx?id=1893039

 

TM is not interested in SME's and couldn't give a toss about the workforce in that sector, collateral damage. Only interested in the big boys in the hope that they will keep her in power.

[The Renegade]

13 minutes ago, tebee said:

3. Circumstances have changed and we could very well have another GE in the intervening time. 

Have they ? What circumstances have changed ?

 

Please educated us all. 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, The Renegade said:

 

As they are 6 of the top 10 of Europe's poorest Countries, can you explain why they will increase the domestic market ?

 

Unless of course, you mean flood them with other Countries money, let Capitalism flourish and turn them into debt slaves.

Brexit mentality in a nutshell, unable to see past the paranoia. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

It's gong to be  the easiest deal ever negotiated, they need us more than we need them , we can have our cake( with cherries on the top) and eat it too...... 

 

No one seemed to anticipate the problems with the borders in Ireland and Gibraltar.

 

Brexit has gone from promised sunlit uplands to probably won't be armageddon.

 

Even Nigel Farage is now says it was obvious people would be poorer with Brexit.  

Do you think the gov did not know about boarder issues....

[nontabury]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

Who is paying to keep the Polish/EU riff-raff in prison...?

 

 

He’s spouting wrong information. The total U.K. prison population at any one time is approximately 80,000. Of whom approximately nearly 5,000 ( a rise of 240%)are citizens of E.U. countries, costing the British tax payers £150,000,000.

The good news is that the prison population in Eastern Europeans countries has fallen dramatically.

[The Renegade]

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Over 50 percent of the UK workforce is employed by SME's and SME's do not want to trade with the rest of the world, if they did they would be doing it already.

Bubble busting time

 

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The total number of businesses in the country is 5.4 million, according to statistics from the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills.

Got that ? 5.4 million

 

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So, if Vote Leave's 6% estimate is right, that would suggest 324,000 exporting companies: considerably higher than Britain Stronger in Europe's "over 200,000", a figure which includes importers as well as exporters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211

 

Of that 5.4 million businesses, somewhere between 200,000 & 324,000 actually trade with the EU.

 

Lets get a little bit of perspective and not get hysterical.

[nauseus]

50 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Population of Poland is about 40M so about 5% emigrated to U.K. I believe that flow has reversed but correct me.

 

GDP per capita has grown steadily since 2004 when Poland joined the EU and of course GBP wages now buy less Euro.

 

 

From your favourite publication. Maybe 56B++ Euros of free money (much from the UK no doubt) helped a bit?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/01/eu-poland-10-years-economic

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Do you think the gov did not know about boarder issues....

Of course they did. TM will push Ireland into reunification and give Gib to the Spanish, she just can never admit it was the plan all along.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, nontabury said:

He’s spouting wrong information. The total U.K. prison population at any one time is approximately 80,000. Of whom approximately nearly 5,000 ( a rise of 240%)are citizens of E.U. countries, costing the British tax payers £150,000,000.

The good news is that the prison population in Eastern Europeans countries has fallen dramatically.

Fink that is because three meals a day in the UK prison...Disneypris...

[The Renegade]

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Brexit mentality in a nutshell, unable to see past the paranoia. 

What paranoia ?

 

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As they are 6 of the top 10 of Europe's poorest Countries, can you explain why they will increase the domestic market ?

 

Unless of course, you mean flood them with other Countries money, let Capitalism flourish and turn them into debt slaves.

If there is something you wish to dispute, please do so and provide something to back up your dispute.

 

Do not insult my intelligence by screaming Brexit mentality or paranoia.

 

It makes you come across as an uneducated oaf, who can do no more than hurl insults and stamp his feet.

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Bubble busting time

 

Got that ? 5.4 million

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211

 

Of that 5.4 million businesses, somewhere between 200,000 & 324,000 actually trade with the EU.

 

Lets get a little bit of perspective and not get hysterical.

Off on a tangent again, try reading the post properly.

Put it into perspective, what percentage of SME's trade with countries other than the EU and US?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Of course they did. TM will push Ireland into reunification and give Gib to the Spanish, she just can never admit it was the plan all along.

So you are another "insider" smoking stuff....

[The Renegade]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

From your favourite publication. Maybe 56B++ Euros of free money (much from the UK no doubt) helped a bit?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/01/eu-poland-10-years-economic

Exactly

[tebee]

11 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Have they ? What circumstances have changed ?

 

Please educated us all. 

You can't seriously be trying to tell me that the UK today is the same as the UK 2 years ago?

[transam]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

You can't seriously be trying to tell me that the UK today is the same as the UK 2 years ago?

No it is not, the Eastern Europeans have sorted everything out now...

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Off on a tangent again, try reading the post properly.

Put it into perspective, what percentage of SME's trade with countries other than the EU and US?

What has the US other Countries outside the EU got to do with it ?

 

You were whinging about the UK - EU business

 

Here it is again.

 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211

 

Of that 5.4 million businesses, somewhere between 200,000 & 324,000 actually trade with the EU.

 

Lets get a little bit of perspective and not get hysterical.

It doesn't break down how many SME's that accounts for, but it will be far less than the top figure of 324,000.

[The Renegade]

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

You can't seriously be trying to tell me that the UK today is the same as the UK 2 years ago?

Is that the best you can come up with ?

 

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Have they ? What circumstances have changed ?

 

Please educated us all. 

Fill in the blanks and provide references

 

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Should not take you long, you have it all sewn up ?

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

As I recall, I did indeed thank you for correcting my lamentable French.

 

Now kindly stop the childish posts or face another complaint

Right, that's it, I’ve had enough of your threats. Meet me behind the cycle shed at 16.30 for a tear up; no blades, no dusters, just a proper ‘straightner’ you and I ??

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

What has the US other Countries outside the EU got to do with it ?

From the post that you didn't bother to read, and in particular Figure 58. If you do not want to read the article, do not comment.

 

"Unsurprisingly, as with all the EU, more UK SMEs surveyed exported within the EU than outside. However, the data also show a greater percentage of UK SMEs export to the US than any of the other four countries’ SMEs (Figure 58). Given the barriers to trade highlighted by UK SMEs, this could add further weight to the suggestion that UK companies feel more confident and comfortable in dealing with the US due to the common language, as well as cultural and historical ties between the two countries."

[tebee]

1 minute ago, The Renegade said:

Is that the best you can come up with ?

 

Fill in the blanks and provide references

 

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Should not take you long, you have it all sewn up ?

 

Am off out now, will do your homework later sir. (honest)

[sandyf]

9 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

You were whinging about the UK - EU business

 

Wrong again.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Right, that's it, I’ve had enough of your threats. Meet me behind the cycle shed at 16.30 for a tear up; no blades, no dusters, just a proper ‘straightner’ you and I ??

Hope he's got curly hair....

Edited June 18, 2018 by transam

[aright]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The whole brexit concept of the UK being better off doing trade deals with the rest of the world is nothing short of fantasy.

Over 50 percent of the UK workforce is employed by SME's and SME's do not want to trade with the rest of the world, if they did they would be doing it already.

 

2.5.3 Challenges to the internationalisation of UK SMEs

"UK SMEs’ views on barriers to exporting are impacted depending on whether the SME already exports or not. Figure 57 shows the two barriers identified most frequently by non-exporters are a lack of specialised staff and financial constraints. However, for those already exporting, these two barriers are near the bottom of the list with language skills and administrative procedures being more readily identified."

"Note: SMEs with exporting experience include SMEs which have exported in the past three years and SMEs which have not exported in the past three years but used to export and stopped or tried to export and gave up. SMEs without export experience are SMEs which have not exported in the past three years. They might consider export or currently try to export, however, or they believe that they will never export. Source: European Commission (2015)"

"This is likely to be due to a couple of reasons, either there are differences in the circumstances of the two SME groups or barriers that appear to exist before you export become less of an issue with experience."

"Unsurprisingly, as with all the EU, more UK SMEs surveyed exported within the EU than outside. However, the data also show a greater percentage of UK SMEs export to the US than any of the other four countries’ SMEs (Figure 58). Given the barriers to trade highlighted by UK SMEs, this could add further weight to the suggestion that UK companies feel more confident and comfortable in dealing with the US due to the common language, as well as cultural and historical ties between the two countries."

"The same picture is repeated for imports with a greater percentage of UK SMEs compared to EU SMEs importing from the US whilst less SMEs import from most other regions. With trading and customs arrangements with the EU are yet to be decided post-Brexit, it is likely the uncertainty around future financial and regulatory costs of trading with the EU for UK SMEs will further add to the real or perceived barriers for many."

https://www.cdp.it/ImagePub.aspx?id=1893039

 

TM is not interested in SME's and couldn't give a toss about the workforce in that sector, collateral damage. Only interested in the big boys in the hope that they will keep her in power.

Over 50 percent of the UK workforce is employed by SME's and SME's do not want to trade with the rest of the world, if they did they would be doing it already.

 

 

An SME, or a business more generally, can be involved in exporting by selling directly to a foreign consumer or firm, or through supply-chains. That is, an SME might sell its output to another UK-based business that itself exports

 

The proportion of SMEs that export

As the aim is to calculate the number of SMEs involved in supply chains over and above those which export directly it is first necessary to know how many SMEs are directly involved in exporting. For this, data from the ONS Annual Business Survey (ABS) is used. As this data does not include unregistered businesses they are assumed to behave in the same way as the smallest category of registered businesses. This procures an estimate of an average of 9% of small and micro (0-49 employees) and 33% of medium (50-249 employees) firms exporting. 

 

 

Proportion of SMEs which supply other businesses

Of those businesses that do not export, they will either directly supply final consumers in the UK or businesses (or both). The Small Business Survey (SBS) asks SMEs who their main customers are. Among the SME population as a whole, 38% identified other businesses as their main customer. This is a lower bound as it only captures businesses who consider other businesses to be their main customer and so does not count businesses that mainly supply consumers but also supply some businesses. These businesses in turn may or may not be exporters.  

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524847/bis-16-230-smes-supply-chains-exporters.pdf

 

[The Renegade]

Keep your eyes open for this,, it has not hit the news yet.

 

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$SEK weaker on reports that far right Swedish Democrats want an EU referendum after election Recent polls ahead of the September 9th election have put them even with the ruling social democrats party.... potential "Swexit"?

 

[The Renegade]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Wrong again.

So what is this ?

 

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The whole brexit concept of the UK being better off doing trade deals with the rest of the world is nothing short of fantasy.

 

Over 50 percent of the UK workforce is employed by SME's and SME's do not want to trade with the rest of the world, if they did they would be doing it already.

 

Why bring Brexit into it ?

 

Very few of them trade with the EU either

 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211

 

Of that 5.4 million businesses, somewhere between 200,000 & 324,000 actually trade with the EU.

 

Lets get a little bit of perspective and not get hysterical.

 

Wriggle wriggle.

[Kieran00001]

6 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Keep your eyes open for this,, it has not hit the news yet.

 

 

 

How has it not hit the news?  There were polls last December after which they said the same thing and there were polls last month after which they said the same thing, has there been another poll today or something?

 

Anyway, being even with the ruling party is not a big deal in a country with a coalition government, that far right party will not be able to form a government because no other party wants to be in a coalition with the Nazi's, so there will not be a referendum or a Swexit.

[The Renegade]

3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

How has it not hit the news?  There were polls last December after which they said the same thing and there were polls last month after which they said the same thing, has there been another poll today or something?

I do not really class polls as being news.

 

3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

no other party wants to be in a coalition with the Nazi's,

That is exactly the type of language that helped to elect Trump and cause Brexit.

 

Too blind or too dumb to work that out.