Teacher killed.

[roo860]

https://www.farang-deaths.com/case/philip-peter-loates/

 

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[worgeordie]

RIP, fellow countryman,another victim of Thai roads.

regards Worgeordie

[elektrified]

Really sad news....

 

I still don't understand why foreigners come here and ride motorcycles when it is so dangerous (more than anywhere else in the world). And many of them don't even wear a helmet.

[daoyai]

....and I still don't understand why so many can't understand why I don't ride here.

[Sparkles]

2 hours ago, elektrified said:

Really sad news....

 

I still don't understand why foreigners come here and ride motorcycles when it is so dangerous (more than anywhere else in the world). And many of them don't even wear a helmet.

Nor do I and have asked a few who don't wear helmets and they said they came here to get away from the so called "nanny" countries where everything is regulated.Pointing out that helmets simply save lives is usually met with a sneer.January if my memory serves me right, over 2,000 people were killed on the roads and that was just at the scene of the accident.50-70% more die later of injuries suffered and heaven knows how many spend the rest of their life in a wheelchair.

[stament]

OMG! ? 

Why do they show these photos?

[CMKiwi]

I was on site at an intersection 3 days ago. I heard a car on my left accelerate as the light turned red.

 

 It was red for at least 2 seconds when this dipshite gunned it thru.... I physically shouted NO!

 

  Too late.  A Thai lady on a scooter who looked to have run her red light while waiting for the green took the full impact of the car.  

 

She wasn't wearing a helmet and cartwheeled through the air landing heavily on the opposite side of the road.  A pickup truck was stationary in that lane where she landed and her head bounced off its front fender/bumper.

 

It was not a nice scene. Absolutely preventable if both driver and rider didn't run red lights.

 

No BiB to be seen anywhere....too busy collecting revenue at known motorcy checkpoints around Chiang Mai.

 

The OP just highlights how dangerous it can be on the roads here, and if you are a rider....never expect anyone to follow the road rules/laws.

 

RIP....such a young loss.

[CMKiwi]

I was on site at an intersection 3 days ago. I heard a car on my left accelerate as the light turned red.

 

 It was red for at least 2 seconds when this dipshite gunned it thru.... I physically shouted NO!

 

  Too late.  A Thai lady on a scooter who looked to have run her red light while waiting for the green took the full impact of the car.  

 

She wasn't wearing a helmet and cartwheeled through the air landing heavily on the opposite side of the road.  A pickup truck was stationary in that lane where she landed and her head bounced off its front fender/bumper.

 

It was not a nice scene. Absolutely preventable if both driver and rider didn't run red lights.

 

No BiB to be seen anywhere....too busy collecting revenue at known motorcy checkpoints around Chiang Mai.

 

The OP just highlights how dangerous it can be on the roads here, and if you are a rider....never expect anyone to follow the road rules/laws.

 

RIP....such a young loss.

[Paul Catton]

1 hour ago, CMKiwi said:

I was on site at an intersection 3 days ago. I heard a car on my left accelerate as the light turned red.

 

 It was red for at least 2 seconds when this dipshite gunned it thru.... I physically shouted NO!

 

  Too late.  A Thai lady on a scooter who looked to have run her red light while waiting for the green took the full impact of the car.  

 

She wasn't wearing a helmet and cartwheeled through the air landing heavily on the opposite side of the road.  A pickup truck was stationary in that lane where she landed and her head bounced off its front fender/bumper.

 

It was not a nice scene. Absolutely preventable if both driver and rider didn't run red lights.

 

No BiB to be seen anywhere....too busy collecting revenue at known motorcy checkpoints around Chiang Mai.

 

The OP just highlights how dangerous it can be on the roads here, and if you are a rider....never expect anyone to follow the road rules/laws.

 

RIP....such a young loss.

Sorry mate that you witnessed such a tragic but preventable scenario.

Aren't the traffic lights phased over their with an Amber and subject to standard practice?

On approach, Green, continue unabated,unless a RH turning manoeuvre whichisn't controlled so then you wait until safe to turn without being broadsided.

Amber,, warning that the light is about to change to Red, do not proceed unless you are too close to entering intersection at the phase change, but you must be able to clear the intersection before Red shows.

"dipshite" gunned it after a two second window of Red.

Thai lady on the motorcycle might have  had Red and Amber in unison, before Green, and decided to bolt to get ahead of the pack.

Car driver being the Red light runner was always at fault.

[SammyT]

1 hour ago, CMKiwi said:

 

No BiB to be seen anywhere....too busy collecting revenue at known motorcy checkpoints around Chiang Mai.

 

Couldn't agree more mate. I love Chiang Mai but that's one of my biggest frustrations here - getting frequently hassled by the Police while riding my moto (legally) as 12 year old local kids with their two siblings stream past on motos with no helmets or anything...

[CMKiwi]

Yes Paul the lights are phased so that when one goes from amber to red, there is about a 3 second delay until the next in sequence turn green.

 

I presume the Thai lady did as you explained.  She saw the other lights (Not her particular traffic lights) turn red and decided to get the jump on other road users.

 

Possibly a fatal mistake...I didn't hang around rubber necking as after a short period people were on the scene calling emergency services etc.

 

The idiot in the car hopefully learnt his lesson....DON'T run red lights.

 

Sad stuff.

[Paul Catton]

34 minutes ago, CMKiwi said:

Yes Paul the lights are phased so that when one goes from amber to red, there is about a 3 second delay until the next in sequence turn green.

 

I presume the Thai lady did as you explained.  She saw the other lights (Not her particular traffic lights) turn red and decided to get the jump on other road users.

 

Possibly a fatal mistake...I didn't hang around rubber necking as after a short period people were on the scene calling emergency services etc.

 

The idiot in the car hopefully learnt his lesson....DON'T run red lights.

 

Sad stuff.

Will any lesson be learnt both individually or collectively, doubt it.

 

 

[anon467848]

I drove past that accident scene on Tuesday, I was wondering why there was a big tailback of traffic considering it was approx. 3:30 PM. All the Thais slowing down, or stopping to have a good gawk, as they like to do. No doubt talking photos...

 

RIP, young man....

[canthai55]

6 hours ago, stament said:

 Why do they show these photos?

You must of lived a very sheltered life.

[Paul Catton]

32 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

You must of lived a very sheltered life.

Mr Stament maybe has lived a semi sheltered life compared to some of us dinosaurs but has worldwide experience over many a person on this forum.

Mr Stament, CM Kiwi and roo860  (The OP) are great guys that I've met personally outside their pseudonym, each uniquely different and a pleasure to be with in company.

Pixelated content of gore and nudity is the accepted medium in newsworthy items being forwarded for general public consumption.

[canthai55]

Statement was 'Tongue in Cheek'

From my seat - looking back at my life - this would not raise an eyebrow.

News sells - the more bloody the more it sells

From the Dawn of Man ... Think Circus Maximus

[Paul Catton]

49 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Statement was 'Tongue in Cheek'

From my seat - looking back at my life - this would not raise an eyebrow.

News sells - the more bloody the more it sells

From the Dawn of Man ... Think Circus Maximus

Butcher your own, self home kill animals and you do become a little desensitised but "heroic". 

Chopping up larger joints of meat from Supermarket size that suit your needs you become a champion.

Queazy and faint at a needle going into your arm, Priceless.

I would appear to be a queazy, but a heroic champion and always priceless.

[daoyai]

^^^ and I suspect a bit "mau" ? 

[SammyT]

4 hours ago, canthai55 said:

You must of lived a very sheltered life.

Why the hostility/patronising tone? While it's accepted that this is how the Thai media work, what exactly is the point in showing a dead body on the side of the road? I would have just believed the article when it said he was dead - the picture adds nothing.

 

Before you get on your high horse toward me as well - in the western world I worked in a profession where I saw gore on a very very frequent basis. I just don't see why the masses need to see it. 

[CMKiwi]

Come on guys....calm down.  This ain't a manhood contest.....

 

A guy has died.  Media does what media does in this neck of the world.  I don't necessarily agree with what they post but then I don't always open 'their' news items.

 

I just wish the BiB would get of the backsides and start doing some law enforcement on these roads.....or even a bit of education.  Not they they are perfect examples either!

 

Senseless waste of young lives really...

[orang37]

If I thought that Thai persons who ran a red light, and/or, were on a motosai without a helmet , might change their behavior if they were forced to look at un-pixelated photos, and/ or watch videos,  of gory accident victims ... I'd say put them up on giant billboards, put them on tv. Maybe, for Chiang Mai, a few crucifixions in the moat, with the bodies left to rot.,

 

RIP young Ajarn !

 

Fortunate I don't run the country.  The words of Nehru come to mind re India: "a rich land of poor people:" of course, he spoke of economic reality, and I think, here, of "behavioral reality."

 

~o:37;

 

p.s. don't ask what I'd do with yaa baa dealers.

[InMyShadow]

31 minutes ago, orang37 said:

If I thought that Thai persons who ran a red light, and/or, were on a motosai without a helmet , might change their behavior if they were forced to look at un-pixelated photos, and/ or watch videos,  of gory accident victims ... I'd say put them up on giant billboards, put them on tv. Maybe, for Chiang Mai, a few crucifixions in the moat, with the bodies left to rot.,

 

RIP young Ajarn !

 

Fortunate I don't run the country.  The words of Nehru come to mind re India: "a rich land of poor people:" of course, he spoke of economic reality, and I think, here, of "behavioral reality."

 

~o:37;

 

p.s. don't ask what I'd do with yaa baa dealers.

His head went under a wheel. 

[orang37]

1 hour ago, InMyShadow said:

His head went under a wheel. 

My comments were directed at the general behaviors that "earn" Thailand its notoriety for traffic deaths and accidents.

 

I do not know if the person this thread is about had on a helmet, or,  who, if anyone, was "at fault" for his death. There are accidents which are "just" accidents, but, in this  country, there is wholesale roadway slaughter by acts of omission (not wearing helmets, improperly maintained equipment, lack of meaningful enforcement), and commission (driving drunk, stoned, distracted by devices, etc.,).

 

We need a General to do for highway homicide what General Meechai once did for use of condoms to prevent AIDS.

 

I hope I showed no disrespect for the young man so tragically killed.

 

~o:37;

 

p.s. I was hit-and-runned by motosai many years ago while on my bicycle, leaving me unconscious briefly as my mind floated above my body watching said body have its leg spirally fractured in slow-motion,

[CMKiwi]

The problem is showing the road carnage on big screens/billboards etc is that over time people become desensitised.

 

Initially it will have an impact. Whether that changes their driving habits would remain to be seen.

 

Driver education and traffic enforcement may be a better option...IMO.

[SammyT]

I'd be interested to know the stats (if there are any) on the cause of farang deaths on the road - i.e. who was at fault etc. I know that's a loaded question with aspects of corruption where often the foreigner is always at fault unless  there is concrete evidence to the contrary. But go check out CNX tourist areas like Nimman Tha Pae gate as the bars close and see the pissed up westerners blasting through there on motos at 70-80kmh with no helmets on. Or down in the tourist destinations where westerners hire bikes they don't really know how to drive and then get drunk and unsurprisingly come to some sort of harm. 

 

While it's quite possibly not the case in this accident, and I mean no disrespect or insinuation that the deceased is at fault, westerners can be their own worst enemies on the Thai roads

[canthai55]

18 minutes ago, CMKiwi said:

Driver education

Agree 100%

At the end of the day, both people involved in this accident were at fault. Both ran the red light.

You are responsible for your own actions, and if you choose to ride in a wife beater, cargo shorts, and flip flops I have zero sympathy for you if you lose a lot of skin on the asphalt.

Same if you run a red light and get hit / hit someone.

For most every problem on this planet, the only real way to bring about meaningful and long lasting change is education.

[norrska]

10 hours ago, SammyT said:

Why the hostility/patronising tone? While it's accepted that this is how the Thai media work, what exactly is the point in showing a dead body on the side of the road? I would have just believed the article when it said he was dead - the picture adds nothing.

 

Before you get on your high horse toward me as well - in the western world I worked in a profession where I saw gore on a very very frequent basis. I just don't see why the masses need to see it. 

Were you a matador?

[norrska]

23 hours ago, elektrified said:

Really sad news....

 

I still don't understand why foreigners come here and ride motorcycles when it is so dangerous (more than anywhere else in the world). And many of them don't even wear a helmet.

Lots of foreigners ride without problems. Most helmets in use here would not provide the protection level required.  RIP to the young fellow who has died.

[samsensam]

7 minutes ago, norrska said:

Lots of foreigners ride without problems. Most helmets in use here would not provide the protection level required.  RIP to the young fellow who has died.

 

everyone rides without a problem until a problem happens.

 

a quick risk assessment will tell you that you are riding on the most dangerous roads in the world. everyone uses their intelligence, experience and common sense to manage that risk and take appropriate actions.

 

you can buy a good quality helmet here.

[norrska]

2 minutes ago, samsensam said:

 

everyone rides without a problem until a problem happens.

 

a quick risk assessment will tell you that you are riding on the most dangerous roads in the world. everyone uses their intelligence, experience and common sense to manage that risk and take appropriate actions.

 

you can buy a good quality helmet here.

Yeah well common sense ain't that common! The post was made in response to someone suggesting foreigners shouldn't ride a motorbike.  It is a question of personal choice and it is about risk management and mitigation.  Nanny state people may not get that.  Other forms of transport such as baht buses, taxis etc are not any safer for those without a car.  No statement was made that good helmets aren't available, but rather that most helmets in use are sub-standard.