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[Loaded]

53 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Err... okay.

 

 

Btw, Thai immigration already moved to accommodate remote workers a few years, when they removed 'Employment Prohibited' from non-imm visas. So remote employees don't infringe on any immigration laws, once they have a non-imm visa. 

 

Cheers. 

And your source? I don't mean Digital Gonad blogs.

 

'employment prohibited' removed from what non-immigrant visas?

 

You've always needed a non-immigrant (B or O dependency/marriage) to work legally here. You are saying those visas used to have 'employment prohibited' stamped on them - lol.

 

Give it another shot.

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Loaded

[Happy Grumpy]

1 hour ago, Loaded said:

You've always needed a non-immigrant (B or O dependency/marriage) to work legally here. You are saying those visas used to have 'employment prohibited' stamped on them - lol.

 

 

Yes. (Only a Non-Imm B didn't have "Employment Prohibited" on them, as those are for aliens employed here.)

 

 

 

 

Immigration changed this a few years ago. So remote workers are not infringing on any immigration law when employed remotely while here.

 

Note the updated versions:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers. 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Loaded]

The first one is an O-A retirement visa. If you're using this as an example, you're also saying that you can now use a retirement visa to obtain a work permit - that's news to everyone.

 

" Employment of any kind is strictly prohibited. "

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"O-A"-(Long-Stay).html

 

If the 4th one is O based on dependency or marriage to a Thai or volunteering, then it's always been possible to obtain a work permit with that non-immigrant so employment has never been prohibited.

 

Try again. This isn't evidence.

 

Are you Nigerian?

Edited April 24, 2018 by Loaded

[Happy Grumpy]

4 minutes ago, Loaded said:

it's always been possible to obtain a work permit with that non-immigrant.

And now you can work remotely (no WP required) without breaking any immigration law if you have one. 

 

 

 

Don't forget to pay tax if income is paid direct to a Thai account. No WP needed to register and pay income tax either. 

 

Cheers. 

[Loaded]

7 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

And now you can work remotely (no WP required) without breaking any immigration law if you have one. 

 

 

 

Don't forget to pay tax if income is paid direct to a Thai account. No WP needed to register and pay income tax either. 

 

Cheers. 

You don't have a source for that just a few Googles images, your imagination and the words of a digital gonad.

 

If you are allowed to work on an non-immigrant visa, you also need a work permit.

 

Do you understand that the Ministry of Labor is responsible for employment? How can they regulate employment if foreign workers don't possess a work permit?

 

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Loaded

[Happy Grumpy]

14 minutes ago, Loaded said:

you are allowed to work on an non-immigrant visa, you also need a work permit.

 

Absolutely. If employed here. As being employed here falls under the Thai Alien Employment Act.

 

If you are employed remotely, that doesn't. Only Immigration and tax laws apply. 

 

Just need the recently amended visas that allow it, register and pay your tax to the Thai Revenue Department, if the income comes directly to a Thai account. No WP needed to register and pay the tax with the Thai Revenue Department. 

 

 

Cheers. 

[Happy Grumpy]

20 minutes ago, Loaded said:

Do you understand that the Ministry of Labor is responsible for employment? How can they regulate employment if foreign workers don't possess a work permit?

They aren't employed in Thailand. 

 

Cheers. 

[Loaded]

6 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

 

Absolutely. If employed here. As being employed here falls under the Thai Alien Employment Act.

 

If you are employed remotely, that doesn't. Only Immigration and tax laws apply. 

 

Just need the recently amended visas that allow it, register and pay your tax to the Thai Revenue Department, if the income comes directly to a Thai account. No WP needed to register and pay the tax with the Thai Revenue Department. 

 

 

Cheers. 

I'll try again.

 

Your source?

Edited April 24, 2018 by Loaded

[Loaded]

5 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

They aren't employed in Thailand. 

 

Cheers. 

That's right, pixie dust transports you to another country where you work and then you return after repeating "I'm in denial" 3 times.

 

If you work in Thailand, you are employed in Thailand.

 

This is mental.

[duanebigsby]

Time for someone to end this bickering thread and let the digital nomads and online teachers get back to work hassle-free from Thai immigration who DO allow it.

[Happy Grumpy]

Just now, duanebigsby said:

Time for someone to end this bickering thread

I don't see any bickering.

 

Just Loaded being educated.

 

He hasn't yet figured out that being employed in Thailand, and being employed remotely, and being in Thailand are different.

 

Immigration do. (The change in their visas that previously prohibited it. Updated to keep with the times....)

MoL do. (That the employment act covers those employed here, not employed remotely and here)

The Thai Revenue Department do. (No need for a WP to register your income, get your Thai Tax number and pay your Thai income tax).

 

 

Cheers. 

[duanebigsby]

Happy Grumpy

I don't think Loaded is taking his education very well.

[Happy Grumpy]

3 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

Happy Grumpy

I don't think Loaded is taking his education very well.

Isn't it good that him being wrong, or not understanding, has no real affect on anybody or anything. 

 

Cheers.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Loaded]

You've provided no evidence to support your fantasies.

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[Happy Grumpy]

15 minutes ago, Loaded said:

You've provided no evidence to support your fantasies.
 

The evidence is all here my friend. 

 

32 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Immigration do. (The change in their visas that previously prohibited it. Updated to keep with the times....)

MoL do. (That the employment act covers those employed here, not employed remotely and here)

The Thai Revenue Department do. (No need for a WP to register your income, get your Thai Tax number and pay your Thai income tax).

 

Immigration - check. 

MoL - check.

Thai revenue department - check.

 

 

Employed in Thailand, you come under 3 of those.

 

Employed remotely, you come under 2 of those, if your income comes directly into Thailand. 

 

Don't forget to register with the Thai Revenue Department. No WP needed to do that, or to pay your income tax.

 

Cheers. 

 

Maybe this might educate people about the different between being employed here and being employed remotely while here.

 

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2014/10/thailand-immigration-officials-raid-chiang-mai-co-working-space/#JDO6ZPhUQtlqkeYt.97

 

Immigration raid Punspace, a place for remote workers to work from. They thought that they were employed there. Hence the raid. When they dicovered that they were only employed remotely, and doing this work from there, all released. 

 

"The Punspace members were all released from the immigration office by around 3pm, after officials verified none of the 11 had overstayed their visas, been blacklisted or were working illegally."

 

 

Cheers.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Happy Grumpy]

Oh yeah....

 

 

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Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration, addressed those present along with two of his colleagues. The immigration officers answered questions, including some that CityNews asked readers to submit.

 

What if I want to work in Thailand?

If you are working for a Thai company, you will need a non-immigrant (type visa and then a work permit in order to work legally.

If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa.

 

 

http://www.chiangmaicitylife.com/news/new-visa-rules-explained/

 

Working remotely = not working for a Thai company.

Doing online teaching for a Chinese company, while here = working remotely = not working for a Thai company. WP not needed.

 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration

 

 

 

 

Cheers.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Happy Grumpy]

A bit more, from the link on the previous page.

 

 

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Foreigners working for a Thai firm must hold a valid non-immigrant (Type visa, but so-called ‘digital nomads’ – who are often self-employed – can sidestep that requirement.

Chiang Mai Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun assured business leaders and foreign consular officials last month that ‘digital nomads’ are permitted to use tourists visas.

Co-working spaces

Punspace (meaning “shared space”), which opened last March, is one of a growing number of co-working spaces in Thailand that provide shared office facilities for online entrepreneurs. Co-owners Euam and Piqué Pichaya said immigration officials had never once investigated Punspace since it opened.

“This is the first time, we are so surprised and shocked,” Euam said.

“It was a misunderstanding… They didn’t understand the concept of co-working space,” Piqué added.

Members of Punspace are required to provide their passport number upon joining for security purposes, but their visa status is not checked.

Piqué said he doesn’t expect the surprise raid to affect business since no-one was arrested and the situation was resolved quickly. Punspace has offered those questioned by immigration one free month’s membership.

“I’m going back tomorrow,” Johnny said. “Yes, it was a waste of time, but it makes it a bit easier for other digital nomads, I think, because they [immigration officials] know what a co-working space is now.”

Read more at https://asiancorrespondent.com/2014/10/thailand-immigration-officials-raid-chiang-mai-co-working-space/#7GIKvKZsSPlyfYb4.99

 

Working remotely, even going to a co-working space to do so, plugging in and doing your remote work doesn't fall under Thai immigration and labor laws as you're not employed here. Only need a WP and Non-B if employed by a Thai firm.

 

Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers. 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Loaded]

To obtain a non-immigrant visa, you must provide a Thai consulate or embassy a reason for the application and paperwork that supports that reason - education, retirement, employment, dependency etc

Post a link to any Thai embassy that will issue a non-immigrant visa for internet teaching that isn't supported by a school.

You can't because it isn't possible.

People teaching via the internet from their apartments misrepresented their reason for their application. They committed fraud.

You cannot extend a non-immigrant visa based on teaching via the internet from your apartment because it isn't possible. People who have extended because they stated they are students, retired, dependent, have misrepresented their reason to immigration. They have committed fraud.

Currently, people are getting away with this. That doesn't mean you aren't committing a crime.

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[Happy Grumpy]

^ So you've given up on the Work Permit angle, because you were wrong? 

[Happy Grumpy]

3 minutes ago, Loaded said:

To obtain a non-immigrant visa, you must provide a Thai consulate or embassy a reason for the application and paperwork that supports that reason - education, retirement, employment, dependency etc

Absolutely.

 

And while studying here, or staying with your wife or husband or child, you can be remotely employed without any visa infringement.

 

As Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun says, you can even work remotely on a Tourist Visa.

 

"If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa."

 

You only need a WP and Non-Imm visa if working for a Thai firm.

 

 Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

[Loaded]

Jeez, some people are beyond help.

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[Happy Grumpy]

Thought you asked for sources.

 

 

Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun isn't a good source? 

 

 

Cheers.

[Loaded]

A blog written by a digital gonad saying it's OK to ignore immigration and labor laws if you are a digital gonad is not a reliable source of information.

A Thai embassy, the rtp immigration, labor office websites are the only sources that count. You cannot provide a link to a reliable source to support your fantasy.

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[Happy Grumpy]

 

7 minutes ago, Loaded said:

A blog written by a digital gonad

Rutphong Sanwanangkun is Superintendent Pol. Col. of immigration. 

 

Cheers. 

[Loaded]

They didn't write the blog, did they?



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[Happy Grumpy]

36 minutes ago, Loaded said:

They didn't write the blog, did they?

Chiang Mai City News isn't a blog.

 

Quote

 

 

 

 

A seminar on the new immigration regulations was held at the Imperial Mae Ping Hotel in Chiang Mai yesterday.

 

The event was organised by the Chamber of Commerce, Upper Northern Thailand Provincial Cluster 1, and was attended by members of the local consular corps and some foreign business owners. 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration, addressed those present along with two of his colleagues. The immigration officers answered questions, including some that CityNews asked readers to submit.

 

What if I want to work in Thailand?

If you are working for a Thai company, you will need a non-immigrant (type visa and then a work permit in order to work legally.

If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa.

 

Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun

 

http://www.chiangmaicitylife.com/news/new-visa-rules-explained/

 

 

 

Cheers.

[youreavinalaff]

21 hours ago, Loaded said:

Not quite true. It was a Chinese company. Let's just say that it began with abc. They were being paid by the alphabet company full circle from China. They were brazenly ignoring Immigration, Labor and Revenue department laws. They were caught.

 

You people working from your laptop are next 555

Indeed they were teaching via a Chinese company. However, the office,employment program and payment had been set up by a Thai.

[Loaded]

Chiang Mai CityLife is no better than a blog as a news source. However, from your quoted text, it does only mention digital gonads running their own businesses and not internet teaching which are completely different ways of working.

 

It may be true that Pol. Col. whatshisname turns a blind eye to digital gonads 'working' in internet cafes under his jurisdiction in Chiang Mai but that doesn't mean it's official policy. You'll need to check the mfa or immigration websites for that.

[Happy Grumpy]

3 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

the office,employment program and payment had been set up by a Thai.

Correct.

 

Employed in Thailand - working for a Thai firm, you need a Non-Imm and Work Permit. 

 

Employed remotely, you don't. 

 

Cheers. 

[duanebigsby]

Everyone is right.

Strictly speaking it is unlawful to teach online, do YouTube, write travel blogs etc.

But Govn't officials have publicly stated that they won't pursue anyone doing so. They'll leave them alone and not worry about work permits.

So, give it a rest and quit arguing the  details as there are none.

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by duanebigsby