rabies control

[meatboy]

as the rabies infection is out of control,can anyone answer this,if a mosquito feeds on the blood of a rabid dog or cat,can this be passed on with a bite to a human being.

thinking about what about ticks aswell.

Edited March 22, 2018 by meatboy

[Sophon]

It's my understanding that the Rabies virus travels through the nervous system from the site of the bite to the brain. That's why it takes so long for the disease to develop (and longer the further from the head the bite occurs), and it also means that the Rabies virus is not present in the blood so cannot be transmitted by mosquitoes.

 

Sophon

[Sheryl]

It cannot be transmitted by a mosquito bite. Transmission requires contact with saliva.

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[trd]

as the rabies infection is out of control,can anyone answer this,if a mosquito feeds on the blood of a rabid dog or cat,can this be passed on with a bite to a human being.
thinking about what about ticks aswell.

It is simply not accurate to say that rabies is out of control.

[trd]

Bureau of Epidemiology statistics, 370 people died in 1980 of rabies. In the 1990s, the annual average human death rate from rabies was around 300.

Last year, the bureau’s records showed just 11 deaths. This year, so far, there have been six. So, are we experiencing a huge surge in rabies? No. We are not. Rabies is endemic across Thailand. What we are seeing is a panic driven by social media and sensational reporting. It’s not an epidemic.

[meatboy]

51 minutes ago, trd said:

Bureau of Epidemiology statistics, 370 people died in 1980 of rabies. In the 1990s, the annual averhuman death rate from rabies was around 300.

Last year, the bureau’s records showed just 11 deaths. This year, so far, there have been six. So, are we experiencing a huge surge in rabies? No. We are not. Rabies is endemic across Thailand. What we are seeing is a panic driven by social media and sensational reporting. It’s not an epidemic.

hope your right.that might be the death score last yr.so far we have been told 6 deaths in 3months.

[trd]

hope your right.that might be the death score last yr.so far we have been told 6 deaths in 3months.

Clusters like that aren't necessarily significant. There's no mechanism that would explain why that cluster would suddenly become like that everywhere because it flies in the face of the kind of controls that are being implemented with stray dogs these days such as vaccinations and sterilization.

 

[Rally123]

I don't hear anyone shouting to cull drunk drivers over Songkran. It would be nice though.  

[Suradit69]

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Rabies (Lyssavirus) is an infectious disease that affects the central nervous system in mammals. It's transmitted through the saliva a few days before death when the animal "sheds" the virus. Rabies is not transmitted through the blood, urine or feces of an infected animal, nor is it spread airborne through the open environment. Because it affects the nervous system, most rabid animals behave abnormally.

 

• Rabies travels from the brain to the salivary glands during the final stage of the disease—this is when an animal can spread the disease, most commonly through a bite.
• Rabies can't go through unbroken skin. People can get rabies only via a bite from a rabid animal or possibly through scratches, abrasions, open wounds or mucous membranes in contact with saliva or brain tissue from a rabid animal.
• The rabies virus is short-lived when exposed to open air—it can only survive in saliva and dies when the animal's saliva dries up.

http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/facts/rabies.html

Edited March 22, 2018 by Suradit69

[metisdead]

An off topic troll post using ALL CAPS has been removed.

[ThaiWai]

Don't worry you are 100% SAFE from rabies being transmitted by a mosquito.  However....if you are at concerned about;

malaria, dengue, West Nile virus, chikungunya, yellow fever, filariasis, tularemia, dirofilariasis, Japanese encephalitis, Saint Louis encephalitis, Western equine encephalitis, Eastern equine encephalitis, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, Ross River fever, Barmah Forest fever, La Crosse encephalitis, and Zika fever.than you might want to avoid them.

[speckio]

3 hours ago, trd said:

Bureau of Epidemiology statistics, 370 people died in 1980 of rabies. In the 1990s, the annual average human death rate from rabies was around 300.

Last year, the bureau’s records showed just 11 deaths. This year, so far, there have been six. So, are we experiencing a huge surge in rabies? No. We are not. Rabies is endemic across Thailand. What we are seeing is a panic driven by social media and sensational reporting. It’s not an epidemic.

I think it depends on how you look at it... it is quite possible to have a massive rabies epidemic without having a massive rabies human fatality rate... IE  there is, a rabies epidemic happening within the canine and feline species. the fact that the human species hasn't been severely impacted thus far is quite fortunate. 

 

[speckio]

soo the Answer to your question seems to be no.. it can not normally be transmitted by mosquitos... however I suppose to the rabies virus can mutate and find new ways to transmit...

[trd]

I think it depends on how you look at it... it is quite possible to have a massive rabies epidemic without having a massive rabies human fatality rate... IE  there is, a rabies epidemic happening within the canine and feline species. the fact that the human species hasn't been severely impacted thus far is quite fortunate. 
 

Yes that's possible because after all, people aren't getting bitten by dogs every day. I doubt there's an epidemic though. A rabid dog could quickly infect a number of other dogs in a localized area but given the controls in place for vaccinating stray dogs and reducing the stray dog population generally I think these are sporadic outbreaks. Rabies doesn't spread like say influenza does through the atmosphere. There has to be contact through saliva and blood. I can't believe there is suddenly and spontaneously more direct contact in all areas of Thailand. That would make it an epidemic.

[jak2002003]

5 minutes ago, trd said:

14 minutes ago, speckio said:

 

Yes that's possible because after all, people aren't getting bitten by dogs every day. 

 

Yes they are.  Look up dog bite statistics.

 

 

 

[Tchooptip]

5 hours ago, Sheryl said:

It cannot be transmitted by a mosquito bite. Transmission requires contact with saliva.

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Only saliva? So by bitting, it's easy to understand, but the young Thai girl who died this week, they said it was her cat, so it was a bite, not a scratch by the claws like I understood?

[uffe123]

Was bitten by a dog 10 days ago and the owners stated that the dog had been vaccinated but no proof.Went to the hospital and the doctor said you better start rabies treatment immediately. Told me that he has heard that story so many time and you cant believe it. He said typical Thai statement when someones dog bite you. dog s still alive but the doctor said some dogs go for months without exhibiting any form of rabies. Better safe than sorry.

Stated that a girl came in scratched by a cat that supposedly never went outside, and decided not to get rabies shots. She died 2 weeks later.

[TerryLH]

1 hour ago, Tchooptip said:

Only saliva? So by bitting, it's easy to understand, but the young Thai girl who died this week, they said it was her cat, so it was a bite, not a scratch by the claws like I understood?

Cats and dogs lick themselves.

[oldlakey]

3 hours ago, speckio said:

soo the Answer to your question seems to be no.. it can not normally be transmitted by mosquitos... however I suppose to the rabies virus can mutate and find new ways to transmit...

It can NEVER be transmitted by mozzies how often do you need telling

Can you imagine what would have happened if it could  5555555555

[Russell17au]

There is the young 14 year old girl from Buriram who was scratched by her pet puppy in October last year and was taken to Hospital on March 16 and died on March 17, and this was not a Soi dog but a family pet puppy. One death is too many from this virus and some serious action needs to be taken or it could quite easily become an epidemic, it is already an epidemic through out the canine and feline population and with the amount of stray dogs and cats roaming the Soi's it will continue to expand and if a young child tries to pick up a small puppy or a kitten and gets scratched then there is a real problem.

[trd]

There is the young 14 year old girl from Buriram who was scratched by her pet puppy in October last year and was taken to Hospital on March 16 and died on March 17, and this was not a Soi dog but a family pet puppy. One death is too many from this virus and some serious action needs to be taken or it could quite easily become an epidemic, it is already an epidemic through out the canine and feline population and with the amount of stray dogs and cats roaming the Soi's it will continue to expand and if a young child tries to pick up a small puppy or a kitten and gets scratched then there is a real problem.

Is there something wrong with you? There is no epidemic. It doesn't spread like the flu you know? I feel like bashing my head against a brick wall! You say it could be an epidemic but it is now an epidemic among cats and dogs so what what else do we need to include to make it a real epidemic, squirrels, cockroaches, lizards, ants?

[geriatrickid]

10 hours ago, trd said:

Bureau of Epidemiology statistics, 370 people died in 1980 of rabies. In the 1990s, the annual average human death rate from rabies was around 300.

Last year, the bureau’s records showed just 11 deaths. This year, so far, there have been six. So, are we experiencing a huge surge in rabies? No. We are not. Rabies is endemic across Thailand. What we are seeing is a panic driven by social media and sensational reporting. It’s not an epidemic.

Wow. Just wow. One of the few rational  comments I have read  on TVF since this started.

We do not even qualify for an epidemic. More people died from food borne illness this month than rabies and no one has said a word.

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, Tchooptip said:

Only saliva? So by bitting, it's easy to understand, but the young Thai girl who died this week, they said it was her cat, so it was a bite, not a scratch by the claws like I understood?

More than likely a bite. Although cats lick their feet the virus does not live for long outside the body so it would have been extremely unlucky from a scratch.

Cats are a bigger danger than dogs, they can harbour the virus throughout their lives without it ever becoming rabies. We have over 40 cats that have all been to the vets and vaccinated but still exercise some caution.

We currently have 9 dogs and in the 10 years or so I have been here we have had about the same number  of dogs die, only one from rabies, the rest from cancer and old age. The one that died from rabies was a stray that had been brought in and had got into a dog fight before it had been to the vets. That was about 6 years ago and we haven't heard of another instance in the area since and we are in one of the so called red zones.

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Wow. Just wow. One of the few rational  comments I have read  on TVF since this started.

We do not even qualify for an epidemic. More people died from food borne illness this month than rabies and no one has said a word.

Exactly. There is a country in the west where a much greater percentage of the population die from ineffective gun control than will ever die from ineffective dog control in Thailand.

But its Soi Dogs that have grabbed the media attention.

[meatboy]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Exactly. There is a country in the west where a much greater percentage of the population die from ineffective gun control than will ever die from ineffective dog control in Thailand.

But its Soi Dogs that have grabbed the media attention.

your 100% right sandyf its not so much about the no of people that die,its the no.of dogs RUNNING LOOSE.

that is a big concern to everyone,except them that cant be bothered.

them that do die suffer a most horrible death than being shot.

[Tchooptip]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

More than likely a bite. Although cats lick their feet the virus does not live for long outside the body so it would have been extremely unlucky from a scratch.

Cats are a bigger danger than dogs, they can harbour the virus throughout their lives without it ever becoming rabies. We have over 40 cats that have all been to the vets and vaccinated but still exercise some caution.

We currently have 9 dogs and in the 10 years or so I have been here we have had about the same number  of dogs die, only one from rabies, the rest from cancer and old age. The one that died from rabies was a stray that had been brought in and had got into a dog fight before it had been to the vets. That was about 6 years ago and we haven't heard of another instance in the area since and we are in one of the so called red zones.

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Thank you for your answer, I learnt something I had no idea the cat could be a healthy/silent virus carrier.

"Normally" we had 2 cats but to day 5 with the 3 kittens, they are so cute but also so friendly and affectionate I do not feel like giving any of them that is to say we'll have five cats  

so this week we went to the vet to sterilize the mother 

and we have "only" one dog a little bitch, she behaved almost like a mother with the 3 kittens. Of course, the whole tribe is vaccinated!

[ScotBkk]

On 3/22/2018 at 7:14 AM, trd said:

On 3/22/2018 at 5:58 AM, meatboy said:

as the rabies infection is out of control,can anyone answer this,if a mosquito feeds on the blood of a rabid dog or cat,can this be passed on with a bite to a human being.
thinking about what about ticks aswell.

It is simply not accurate to say that rabies is out of control.

Your right, should've said - its in Control ........................

[trd]

Your right, should've said - its in Control ........................

Maybe you could start with Google and look up rabies virus, transmission characteristics, then maybe a dictionary definition of epidemic. And perhaps you could finish by looking at the official rabies figures from the Thai epidemiology Department for the last 30 years. That'll keep you busy for a while. :)

[jayboy]

On 3/22/2018 at 11:39 AM, Sheryl said:

It cannot be transmitted by a mosquito bite. Transmission requires contact with saliva.

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I would be most interested to know your opinion whether children in Thailand should be vaccinated against rabies.I realize this is not normally recommended unless there's a particular reason for doing so.The children (7 and 5 years old) I have in mind are normally resident in Bangkok but make occasional visits to their "ancestral village" where there has been a case of rabies in the last six months.

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, jayboy said:

I would be most interested to know your opinion whether children in Thailand should be vaccinated against rabies.I realize this is not normally recommended unless there's a particular reason for doing so.The children (7 and 5 years old) I have in mind are normally resident in Bangkok but make occasional visits to their "ancestral village" where there has been a case of rabies in the last six months.

If it gives you a piece of mind do it (though they might not like the injections).

 

But if you read this whole article the rabies problems are not as huge as they make us believe. I think you have access to the BKK post ? There was an article (not sure if I read it today or yesterday) that there is no real epidemic but just a scare by social media and in reality rabies is getting less and less (yes there is a bit of a rise now but compared to the past its still not bad at all). 

 

But in the end its up to you.. and the kids of course. I am not sure how many but i believe the vaccination means a few shots.