Vaping -- Should it be legalized?

[Thongkorn]

As it’s already been proved to do more damage than actually smoking.. no.

[mommysboy]

17 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Actually this wiki abstract is not outdated as there are always  updates,  last this month!!! 

In the normal sense of the word it is safe.  The 5% accounts for the unknown and device failure.

 

It is so much safer than the cigarettes it is designed to replace.  In the UK it is now regulated and there are even medical licenses as with nicotine patches.

 

 

[sawadee1947]

51 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

In the normal sense of the word it is safe.  The 5% accounts for the unknown and device failure.

 

It is so much safer than the cigarettes it is designed to replace.  In the UK it is now regulated and there are even medical licenses as with nicotine patches.

 

 

Choice between rock and a hard place?

That doesn't mean that vaporating is safe. Sorry 

[PatOngo]

5 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Choice between rock and a hard place?

That doesn't mean that vaporating is safe. Sorry 

Nor is crossing the street but we still do it!

[sawadee1947]

42 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Nor is crossing the street but we still do it!

Yeah but only at traffic lights if it's green 

[overherebc]

Vaping should be allowed only where smoking cig's is allowed.

[JAG]

3 hours ago, terryofcrete said:

I’m Batman...I “cape” every night ! 

Even Batman would be defeated by this bloody predictive text!

[GarryP]

7 hours ago, JAG said:

I don't smoke (haven't for 20 years) and I don't "cape", so I am not particularly bothered, although I can see no reason for banning it while cigarettes are permitted.

 

My main hope would be that the "protocols" regarding smoking in proximity to others in public places, (when they are observed) apply to camping as well.

Stand up straight, right hand on hip, elbow out, right foot pointing slightly to the right, chin up and head angled to the left. Don't forget a slight pout. Perfect "camping".

 

Couldn't help myself. I'll collect my coat on the way out.    

[Kieran00001]

46 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Vaping should be allowed only where smoking cig's is allowed.

 

Like in the airport, in a glass box full of cigarette smokers, which kind of defeats the purpose.

[Tony125]

9 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Yes, it should be legal.

 

It is an alternative to smoking, and there is absolutely no good reason to ban anything which might lessen the evil effects of smoking tobacco.

 

Further, this is one of those truly idiotic laws that Thailand produces. There is little public knowledge (especially for visitors), HUGE fines and/or penalties, and waaaaaaay too much leeway given to law-enforcement officers to deal with the issue. Essentially, any time a person gets caught vaping, the police will say something along the lines of "it is a 100,000 Baht fine, but give me 2,000 and I will let you go."

 

The only reason that I can see for making vaping illegal is to benefit the tobacco monopoly.

 

And that is a terrible, terrible reason.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/vaping-cancer-risk-heart-disease-new-york-university-e-cigarettes-a8184811.html

 

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/concerns-explode-over-new-health-risks-vaping

 

According to new tests not as harmless as people thought

[PremiumLane]

8 hours ago, JAG said:

in proximity to others in public places, (when they are observed) apply to camping as well.

no minciing in public areas then? 

[Kieran00001]

15 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/vaping-cancer-risk-heart-disease-new-york-university-e-cigarettes-a8184811.html

 

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/concerns-explode-over-new-health-risks-vaping

 

According to new tests not as harmless as people thought

 

The second is interesting. The first study that came out claming that vaping was as dangerous as smoking had fudged their experiment by simulating vaping with a model that used a temperature far higher than an ecig, they published results showing the dangers of basically smoked eliquid, and were quickly discredited as a result.  Now they have invented a technique that ups the temperature of the ecig, not a wise move.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Like in the airport, in a glass box full of cigarette smokers, which kind of defeats the purpose.

Both are equally annoying in a public place so yes, in a glass box as well.

I'm a smoker and I don't even smoke on the street. Huge clouds of whatever are equally annoying so I don't see why a difference should be made. Just as people, non smokers, would get annoyed by me smoking on the street (that's why I don't do it) I get annoyed by even bigger clouds produced by vapers.

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Both are equally annoying in a public place so yes, in a glass box as well.

I'm a smoker and I don't even smoke on the street. Huge clouds of whatever are equally annoying so I don't see why a difference should be made. Just as people, non smokers, would get annoyed by me smoking on the street (that's why I don't do it) I get annoyed by even bigger clouds produced by vapers.

 

I think the thing that annoys most people is not the cloud but the smell, of which there is none from the vapour.

[overherebc]

10 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I think the thing that annoys most people is not the cloud but the smell, of which there is none from the vapour.

Smell or no smell, unhealhty or not isn't the point.

It isn't something to do in the face of people who don't like it.

Many non smokers don't like or don't want clouds of anything blowing in their face.

[Guitar God]

11 hours ago, Juan B Tong said:

Vaping is a great way to waste weed while saving your lungs.

You're doing it wrong then. Vaping vaporizes 100% of the active ingredients. The only thing extra you get from burning it is tar and byproducts of the smoke. 

 

I can extract the most minute amount from plant material but if someone offered me a ton of free herb that had been vaporized I'd say "no thanks". 

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Choice between rock and a hard place?

That doesn't mean that vaporating is safe. Sorry 

It is as safe as nicotine patches and gum.  

 

It is a poor metaphor, as vaping is not anywhere near 'a hard place'.  You appear quite mis-informed.

 

It offers cigarette smokers the chance to ditch cigarettes in favour of something much less harmful- well in countries that care about public health any way.

 

Given the choice UK/USA versus Thailand/East Timor I think I would prefer the former.

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Smell or no smell, unhealhty or not isn't the point.

It isn't something to do in the face of people who don't like it.

Many non smokers don't like or don't want clouds of anything blowing in their face.

 

Nobody should have to put up with it, I just don't understand why you think vapers should have to breath your smoke, by all means put them out the way, but not in the smoking area, that's horrid.

[mommysboy]

12 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Smell or no smell, unhealhty or not isn't the point.

It isn't something to do in the face of people who don't like it.

Many non smokers don't like or don't want clouds of anything blowing in their face.

 

When was the last time that happened?  It could occur 30 years ago, but it doesn't now.  Nobody in a public place can now represent a real annoyance to a non smoker.

 

Vapers just want a chance to vape at home, around other vapers, or in a quiet place.

[mommysboy]

2 hours ago, Tony125 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/vaping-cancer-risk-heart-disease-new-york-university-e-cigarettes-a8184811.html

 

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/concerns-explode-over-new-health-risks-vaping

 

According to new tests not as harmless as people thought

Now read it.  Even a layman can shoot holes through the logic. 

 

Lab tests!  Something thoretical assumed to be fact.  That's silly.

 

The article even points out that vaping is 97 per cent less toxic than smoking, but then draws a negative connotation.

 

Nicotine is not regarded at all as the cause of cancer in cigarette smokers.

 

Scare story.

 

 

 

 

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

When was the last time that happened?  It could occur 30 years ago, but it doesn't now.  Nobody in a public place can now represent a real annoyance to a non smoker.

 

Vapers just want a chance to vape at home, around other vapers, or in a quiet place.

The problem being that the vast majority will continue to argue the points it's healthy, it's only vapour etc etc and on those points will want to do everywhere including no smoking areas.

A married couple with young kids for example won't want a vaper sitting next to them in a non smoking area.

Vapers should just accept the fact it's illegal in Thailand.

I don't like a lot of things here but it's my choice to be here and I have no say in it.

As soon as you accept the fact you can't do something the easier it makes your life.

[mommysboy]

2 hours ago, overherebc said:

The problem being that the vast majority will continue to argue the points it's healthy, it's only vapour etc etc and on those points will want to do everywhere including no smoking areas.

A married couple with young kids for example won't want a vaper sitting next to them in a non smoking area.

Vapers should just accept the fact it's illegal in Thailand.

I don't like a lot of things here but it's my choice to be here and I have no say in it.

As soon as you accept the fact you can't do something the easier it makes your life.

Vapers would have to adhere to the same code as smokers.  This is an actuality in UK, so there really is no point in continuing a line of theoretical argument against fact.

 

"Vapers should accept the fact'.  They do already, but there is no law to prevent one campaigning.

 

If you care about lives, and are prepared to open your mind to the real scientific evidence, you would undoubtedly accept they are a much better thing than smoking for all concerned.  

 

 

[anon789561]

i'm with the royal college of physicians study. of course it should be legal and us vapors should smoke where cigarette smokers do. Philip Morris (that tiny tobacco firm) already acknowledge this themselves

https://www.pmi.com/who-we-are/designing-a-smoke-free-future

that is all. transition all over the world but it's coming

[anon789561]

4 hours ago, overherebc said:

The problem being that the vast majority will continue to argue the points it's healthy, it's only vapour etc etc and on those points will want to do everywhere including no smoking areas.

A married couple with young kids for example won't want a vaper sitting next to them in a non smoking area.

Vapers should just accept the fact it's illegal in Thailand.

I don't like a lot of things here but it's my choice to be here and I have no say in it.

As soon as you accept the fact you can't do something the easier it makes your life.

no one said it's healthy. salad is healthy. what those with a brain are saying is that it is less harmful than smoking

[xtrnuno41]

IT is the same as with Kratom, they cant find a business way to make profit. The profit for tobacco monopoly rulers.

Kratom is now sold by many countries in many countries. Thailand is one of the 9 countries in the world where you cant have kratom. THough it was an inhabitant tree. Forbidden since 1934 by government, however now on its return?

THey say so.

Maybe it will go faster with e _cigarettes, or otherwise wait just for another 80 years. 

[mommysboy]

20 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

IT is the same as with Kratom, they cant find a business way to make profit. The profit for tobacco monopoly rulers.

Kratom is now sold by many countries in many countries. Thailand is one of the 9 countries in the world where you cant have kratom. THough it was an inhabitant tree. Forbidden since 1934 by government, however now on its return?

THey say so.

Maybe it will go faster with e _cigarettes, or otherwise wait just for another 80 years. 

E-cigarettes are a legitimate product.  The fear must be that Thailand has made its decision and that is that; I wouldn't bet against it staying this way for decades.

[anon789561]

11 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

E-cigarettes are a legitimate product.  The fear must be that Thailand has made its decision and that is that; I wouldn't bet against it staying this way for decades.

i'm not sure about that. i'd think just a few years for PMI to make their mark. banned in HK too but loads of people smoking IQOS on the streets and Police don't care. i have experienced no enforcement here too but just takes running into that copper who spots it and wants paying. time will tell. i'd say a few years

[pistachios]

On 3/26/2018 at 3:12 PM, Thongkorn said:

As it’s already been proved to do more damage than actually smoking.. no.

You seem well informed. Are you a regular Fox News watcher?

[Bastos60]

To be honest, Vaping is far more annoying for people then cigarettes are.

Cigarettes smell bad, but the amount of smoke is less and is easier sucked out of a room. 

When you have a few vapers in a room going full speed, you won't hardly see anyone in that room after 10 minutes, the current smoke removal systems seem not to be able to 
handle the heavier vapor. 

[gamesgplayemail]

Is it considered vaping if we put pure weed inside ?