BKK entry refusal

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

Nobody said that.

It was just an off topic post by phuketrichard and you replied to it

Read post 19.

Still lot a lot of good to the OP though.

Edited April 14, 2018 by overherebc

[saakura]

4 hours ago, overherebc said:

Are any of them any use or help to the OP sitting in the airport?

Calm down and direct your question to the poster who stated an untruth "Contrary to other countries in the region, you as a foreigner, cannot even majority-own a company here."

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, saakura said:

Calm down and direct your question to the poster who stated an untruth "Contrary to other countries in the region, you as a foreigner, cannot even majority-own a company here."

Started another thread on it in 'general' mate so this one can stay on topic. ?

[scorecard]

9 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Yeah, I see Americans driving tuk-tuks in Thailand all the time... Jerks! Tokyo Immigration shouldn't be a problem; perhaps you might have to explain that Thailand doesn't particularly like repeat tourists, esp. if the tourists don't have a prearranged visa. If it is within your budget, I would just spend a good time in Japan. Contrary to Thais, the Japanese are all very friendly and polite; even the Thais rave about that. And Japan is a beautiful country!

 

" Contrary to Thais, the Japanese are all very friendly and polite; even the Thais rave about that. And Japan is a beautiful country!"

 

'Very friendly' and 'very polite', not quite true. In my own 18 months experience of working in Japan, coming in and out many times on legitimate business trips, many times day business trips to Seoul, all documents carefully prepared in advance by my PA, but I got grilled many times by immigration at Narita and Kansai, certainly not polite, in fact sometimes intimidating, including my cabin bag ripped to pieces.

 

Stop some Japanese folks in the street (except usually for high schools kids) and they will run away, and don't expect anybody to try to help you at a train station. 

 

Yes, the forests etc., of Japan are very beautiful. And yes it's a very clean country...

 

 

 

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, JackThompson said:

This is an improvement over the treatment of others. 

 

Sad story, though.  Given what the OP probably spent here - multiples of an annual Thai salary - Immigration just forced another Thai business to close, and forced the family out of the middle-class and back to subsistence-farming.  What a way to "help" their fellow Thais, eh?

 

Wow, you win the annual award for 'many wild assumptions'.

 

 

[Maestro]

8 hours ago, kylep said:

The thing is I'm not detained. I'm allowed to roam freely in the transit area. Instructions are to be at the gate later this evening by or before 10 PM...

 

It is 8:50PM now. Are you still at BKK airport?

 

You said immigration went through your phone. Do you think they installed something on it to monitor your activity on the phone, including your posts here? 

[torrzent]

38 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Stop some Japanese folks in the street (except usually for high schools kids) and they will run away, and don't expect anybody to try to help you at a train station. 

You obviously haven't experienced the drunk midnite salaryman wanting to practice his English before he vomits all over the sidewalk, or your shoe!

[Neeranam]

10 hours ago, Polaky said:

Seems rather harsh, suvarnabhumi   is not as stern as don muang, there has to be a reason other than the tuktuk.

Am immigration officer just sprayed my hands with water, they all seemed in a good mood.

 

Sorry can't help the op.

 

Why are you coming so often, Avnet from what countries?

 

 

[Neeranam]

10 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

 In Thailand you will always be just a tourist, even if you live here for decades, pay taxes, speak fluent Thai, do charity work, etc. The only foreigners who managed to be 'accepted' as equals in Thailand were Chinese 100 odd years ago.

I disagree. I'm not a tourist. I've applied for Thai citizenship. I have a mortgage. Thailand is less racist than Japan.

Also. I'd say  100 years ago, Jek were very discriminated against but they stuck together and stood up for their rights

 

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

Wow, you win the annual award for 'many wild assumptions'.

The math is pretty simple - we know the avg Thai salary.  At the very least, people will be "let go" from jobs as a result. 

[elviajero]

34 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The math is pretty simple - we know the avg Thai salary.  At the very least, people will be "let go" from jobs as a result. 

You can’t honestly believe that “people will be let go from jobs” because this person has been refused entry. Your opinion of the financial benefit to Thailand from a few long term tourists never ceases to amaze.

[Banana7]

Get on the flight to NRT to get your passport back. In NRT you should not have an entry problem. Get a hotel for the night, and book a ticket to Lao, Cambodia, or Vietnam asap. You can get a visa on arrival in Cambodia, and Laos. You probably have a Vietnam visa already, there is no visa on arrival. 

 

Once you get into Cambodia or Laos, try to enter Thailand through a land border crossing.  You might even try getting a SETV at the Thai embassy before trying to cross into Thailand. If you can't get into Thailand, stay in Cambodia - lots of fun in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville. 

Edited April 14, 2018 by Banana7

[Maestro]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

...I'd say  100 years ago, Jek were very discriminated against but they stuck together and stood up for their rights

 

Who are or were the Jek who were discriminated against 100 years ago, and how does this information help the OP?

[gk10002000]

What might help is if you would provide details about the answers you gave the Thai officials.  Just what do you do?   What is your source of income.  How old are you? On your previous 30 day exempts, did you extend any of those the optional 30 days?  Where did you stay?   Did you stay or have any receipts from a flop house,  a registered hotel that might have properly reported your stay?  Why so many short visas, and not a longer duration 60 day with options 30 day tourist visa for example?   Just asking as it may help in other responses

[Fish Head Soup]

18 hours ago, kylep said:

Now to my question. Upon arrival in Tokyo tomorrow morning, will i be allowed to reenter Tokyo or will they be informed about the denied entry in BKK?

You don't need to accept the denial of entry. You need to go and find an immigration officer and ask them to supply you with a TM11 form.

 

Fill out the form and go back to immigration control and see what happens.

[Stocky]

7 hours ago, Maestro said:

You said immigration went through your phone. Do you think they installed something on it to monitor your activity on the phone, including your posts here? 

Strewth, that would be a stretch.

[Fish Head Soup]

6 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

You don't need to accept the denial of entry. You need to go and find an immigration officer and ask them to supply you with a TM11 form.

 

Fill out the form and go back to immigration control and see what happens.

Or you can download the TM11 form here. https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1486548054958.pdf

[BritTim]

41 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

You don't need to accept the denial of entry. You need to go and find an immigration officer and ask them to supply you with a TM11 form.

 

Fill out the form and go back to immigration control and see what happens.

When you enter visa exempt, after staying significant periods on tourist entries, immigration has pretty much total discretion on whether to admit you. It is different when you are entering with a visa. An appeal would almost certainly just be a waste of money.

[Fish Head Soup]

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

An appeal would almost certainly just be a waste of money.

And you know this how exactly? All he needs to do is fill out the form, state his argument on the form to being a genuine tourist, and I would be extremely surprised if he is not given entry to the country.

 

What evidence do you base your statement on? Do you have access to data on TM11 appeals?

[elviajero]

43 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

You don't need to accept the denial of entry. You need to go and find an immigration officer and ask them to supply you with a TM11 form.

 

Fill out the form and go back to immigration control and see what happens.

There is no right to appeal against a visa exempt entry denial.

[Fish Head Soup]

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

There is no right to appeal against a visa exempt entry denial.

Yes there is.

[elviajero]

2 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

4 minutes ago, elviajero said:

There is no right to appeal against a visa exempt entry denial.

Yes there is.

It is specifically prohibited under the immigration act.

 

Section 22 : In the instance where the competent official discovers that an alien is forbidden from entering into the Kingdom under the provisions of Section 12 , the competent official shall have authority to order said alien by written notification to leave the Kingdom. If said alien is not satisfied with the competent official’s order , he ( alien ) may appeal to the Minister. The order of the Minister shall be final. Appealling cases are not allowed under Section 12 (1) or (10) 

 

Section 12 : Aliens which fall into any of the following categories are excluded from entering into the Kingdom :
1. Having no genuine and valid passport or document used in lieu of passport ; or having a genuine and valid passport or document used in lieu of a passport without Visaing by the Royal Thai Embassies or Consulates in Foreign countries ; or from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs , excepting if a visa is not required for certain types of aliens in special instances.
Visaing and visa exemption will be under the learn and conditions as provided in the Ministerial Regulations.

[Fish Head Soup]

3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It is specifically prohibited under the immigration act.

 

Section 22 : In the instance where the competent official discovers that an alien is forbidden from entering into the Kingdom under the provisions of Section 12 , the competent official shall have authority to order said alien by written notification to leave the Kingdom. If said alien is not satisfied with the competent official’s order , he ( alien ) may appeal to the Minister. The order of the Minister shall be final. Appealling cases are not allowed under Section 12 (1) or (10) 

 

Section 12 : Aliens which fall into any of the following categories are excluded from entering into the Kingdom :
1. Having no genuine and valid passport or document used in lieu of passport ; or having a genuine and valid passport or document used in lieu of a passport without Visaing by the Royal Thai Embassies or Consulates in Foreign countries ; or from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs , excepting if a visa is not required for certain types of aliens in special instances.
Visaing and visa exemption will be under the learn and conditions as provided in the Ministerial Regulations.

Yes that states that you can make an appeal to the Minister (using TM11) but that the decision of the Minister can't be challenged.

 

Section 12:1 does not state that someone trying to enter on a visa free stamp doesn't have the right to appeal a IO's order.

[elviajero]

5 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

Yes that states that you can make an appeal to the Minister (using TM11) but that the decision of the Minister can't be challenged.

 

Section 12:1 does not state that someone trying to enter on a visa free stamp doesn't have the right to appeal a IO's order.

As you clearly can’t read there’s little chance of changing your wrong opinion. 

 

It clearly states in 12.1 that visa exempt entry falls under ministerial registrations. Ministerial regulation gives immigration absolute discretion regarding the overuse/abuse of visa exempt entries. Section 22 clearly states that you can’t appeal against denied entries under 12.1.

 

12.10 could also apply when it comes to visa exempt deniel as the minister has given immigration discretion to deny anyone overusing visa exempt entry.

[Fish Head Soup]

OP if you are still in the airport ignore the naysayers and just fill in a TM11 and there is a great chance you will get yourself in to the country.

 

9 minutes ago, elviajero said:

As you clearly can’t read there’s little chance of changing your wrong opinion. 

 

It clearly states in 12.1 that visa exempt entry falls under ministerial registrations. Ministerial regulation gives immigration absolute discretion regarding the overuse/abuse of visa exempt entries. Section 22 clearly states that you can’t appeal against denied entries under 12.1.

You're getting boring.

 

Appealing cases are not allowed under Section 12 (1) or (10), but if the Minister does not have an order within seven days beginning from the date of submitting the appeal, it is considered that the Minister has ordered that said alien is not forbidden from entering into the Kingdom under Section 12.

 

Yes OP YOU can appeal the decision and get in the country! Don't let bar room lawyers on here tell you otherwise. People in YOUR position have actually done it, not just read about other people on the internet...

 

Good luck

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, Fish Head Soup said:

OP if you are still in the airport ignore the naysayers and just fill in a TM11 and there is a great chance you will get yourself in to the country.

 

You're getting boring.

 

Appealing cases are not allowed under Section 12 (1) or (10), but if the Minister does not have an order within seven days beginning from the date of submitting the appeal, it is considered that the Minister has ordered that said alien is not forbidden from entering into the Kingdom under Section 12.

 

Yes OP YOU can appeal the decision and get in the country! Don't let bar room lawyers on here tell you otherwise. People in YOUR position have actually done it, not just read about other people on the internet...

 

Good luck

 

 

No, you can't read legal language.

[dbrenn]

The police have been raiding places blacks frequent recently. I'd say that what happened to the OP was racial profiling. 

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Who are or were the Jek who were discriminated against 100 years ago, and how does this information help the OP?

It was a reply to someone else, not the OP. Racial profiling has been suggested by some, I see no information to assume this. Maybe he has dreadlocks, a ganja t-shirt shirt, tattoos on his face, and disrespected the IO.

Immigration officers do not have the power to refuse someone's based on their race!!!!! Causing them to lose face has more likely the reason, and as I found out on my recent trip,  the average immigration officer does NOT know the Nationality act!

 

Jek, is a word that Thais call Chinese, just like European are, farang. As all racial words become, insulting over time, Jek, is less used these days(but was 50 years ago). I don't want to go off topic with the reasons they were discriminated against, and still are.

Kaek is another example, for Indians.

 

 

 

[thaipo7]

I have been traveling to Thailand since I was a GI in 1970 and got married.  I am now with a Retirement Visa.  The only place I have a problem is with the US Airports upon my return.  Go figure.

[hansnl]

23 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

Have you ever lived there?

It is not known for its expat communities who are invariably business and diplomatic wallahs.

It is a fiendishly expensive country to live in ( very much so compared to Thailand) and unless you are well connected and very very well off financially getting other than the odd tourist visa is next to impossible.

Thailand is far from perfect but compared to most parts of the world it is

Very affordable

Very welcoming

Reasonable infrastructure for a developing country with low tax revenue and rates.

English language skills compare well with most developing asian countries except for maybe malaysia.

As in most developing countries there is corruption, incompetence, waste etc.

One cant expect to move from europe( uk etc) or usa and find the same lifestyle, facilities, amenities  for a fraction of the cost of living .

Not withstanding expats have contributed nothing to thai society 

Having more money than the average thai should not mean one is entitled to respect etc.

If one does not like or respect where one lives there is always a choice.

Each to their own etc

Expats do not contribute to Thailand?

Pay a lot of income tax, for example?

Spend all the income in Thailand?

Invested a very tidy sum in a house, a car, a motorbike?

And what about supporting a poor wat, an orphans home, etc, etc?

I guess that most expats contribute to Thailand, all in their own way.