Abhisit says the NCPO’s only achievement is to maintain peace and order

[anon537687643]

 

Something he failed at miserably when he was in power. Unfortunately, some people died.

Had to have a dig! If The PM had been tough on lawlessness in 2010 many more would have died . And of course absolute abysmal failure by Prayut and his Cohorts on corruption and economically, growth at 3% after 5 years whereas other SE Asian economies higher!

 

 

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[pornprong]

5 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

Had to have a dig! If The PM had been tough on lawlessness in 2010 many more would have died


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Completely wrong.

 

If the PM had of been tough on the lawlessness of his military, nobody would have died.

 

Interesting how the "kill toll" by the Thai military is well into the hundreds when the protestors in the streets are pro-democracy and zero when it is pro-establishment protestors in the streets.

[YetAnother]

9 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The major achievement of the National Council for Peace and Order in the past four years since the coup 2014 was putting an end to political violence and maintaining peace and order in the country,

only achievement was damaging the reds. not enough tho 

[jesimps]

Should read "NCPO's only achievement is to  DESTROY, restore and maintain peace and order".

[BuckBee]

abhisit is right, one more achievement than he made lol .

We need fresh blood in politics, not the old dogs ...

[anon537687643]

Completely wrong.
 
If the PM had of been tough on the lawlessness of his military, nobody would have died.
 
Interesting how the "kill toll" by the Thai military is well into the hundreds when the protestors in the streets are pro-democracy and zero when it is pro-establishment protestors in the streets.

I was here! You are “completely wrong” Black balaclva thugs and arsonists everywhere


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[yellowboat]

27 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

I was here! You are “completely wrong” Black balaclva thugs

People wearing balaclava's were on both sides. 

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, markaoffy said:

I was here! You are “completely wrong” Black balaclva thugs and arsonists everywhere


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I also was here.

Neither my location at the time nor yours alters the facts.

 

There were zero deaths prior to the April 10 crackdown by the military at the Phan Fah bridge which resulted in 24 deaths including 1 Japanese journalist and 5 soldiers and 800+ injured.

 

Abhisit is and was a gutless coward who allowed / allows himself to be used as a puppet by greedy and murderous and democratic thugs.

[bannork]

5 hours ago, pornprong said:

Completely wrong.

 

If the PM had of been tough on the lawlessness of his military, nobody would have died.

 

Interesting how the "kill toll" by the Thai military is well into the hundreds when the protestors in the streets are pro-democracy and zero when it is pro-establishment protestors in the streets.

You don't have a clue. The red shirts were offered an election date but Thaksin refused it. He nee

[pornprong]

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

You don't have a clue. The red shirts were offered an election date but Thaksin refused it. He nee

I don't need a clue when I have facts.

 

On 3 May, Abhisit proposed to dissolve parliament in September for an election on 14 November if the protesters were willing to stand down.The following day Red-Shirt leaders expressed qualified support for the plan, but wanted more information about when parliament would be dissolved.On the morning of 8 May, two policemen were killed and several bystanders were injured by a drive-by shooting near the Silom Financial district. Red-Shirt leader Weng Tojirakarn denied any involvement: "We are very sorry and we want to condemn the ones who were behind the attacks."

Protesters demanded that Thailand's deputy prime minister (Suthep) be arrested for causing the deaths of 25 protesters when troops were used against protests on 10 April.The protesters refused to end the rally, and on 13 May, the offer of an election was withdrawn.

 

All Abhisit had to do was call an immediate election and let the people of Thailand decide who they wanted to govern the country instead he offered a vague plan for an election in 6 months time.

 

The man never pulled a trigger, but all of the 2010 deaths are a result of his weak leadership.

[KiwiKiwi]

8 hours ago, CGW said:

I think they re all similar in they all have corrupt politicians with ulterior motives

 

Yep. Blighty and Stateside are not different in type from the Land of illusions, but way different in degree, or at least that's been my experience. People are people everywhere, there's the givers and there's the takers. Easy to work out which is which.

[holy cow cm]

They know Abhisit doesn't like them. Prem as well 

[candide]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

You don't have a clue. The red shirts were offered an election date but Thaksin refused it. He nee

You don't have a clue.

 

Abhisit wanted to dissolve parliament after the nomination of a new army chief, and the red shirt before the nomination. You remember who was appointed army chief in September 2010, don't you? You also know the role he played in the April/May 2010 events, don't you? (Not to mention the 2014 events)

Quote:

"Both sides of Thailand's political divide want to be in power in September, for two critical events: the annual round of promotions in the military – a highly political body in Thailand – and the passing of the country's budget."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/04/thai-redshirts-accept-reconciliation-election

 

 

[Chris Lawrence]

I was trying to find a good picture as a critique to this story. I found this one. Its a horse and a zebra. I am not sure if Abhisit knows he is a bit of a show pony in these elections or is really a zebra; a well educated one that never went thru the Thai education system.

 

 

He keeps popping up and making comments, however he is firmly entrenched in the 1% Kiwi keeps mentioning. I could have been more scathing and put a puppet Caricature up, but I think a Zebra may be a far better representation due to the extraordinary Thai cost to his education and his slide into politics. Sounds like he is still doing work experience.

 

Now for something completely different; his nephew is waiting in the wings. 

 

Since taking over, the NCPO has made full use of martial law to prosecute opponents, ban political activity, and censor the media. More than 1,000 people, including academics, political bloggers, activists and politicians, have been detained or sent for "attitude adjustment" at military installations. There are allegations of torture. Prosecutions under the country's strict lèse majesté laws, which protect the monarchy from insult, have risen sharply.^[16] In its annual report in January 2015, Human Rights Watch said military rule had sent human rights in Thailand into a freefall". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_for_Peace_and_Order

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, Chris Lawrence said:

Its a horse and a zebra.

Or maybe roll up into a single symbolic animal - the mule.

Mules are a cross between a female horse and a male donkey or “jack” (hence the word “jackass”). http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/08/difference-between-a-donkey-and-a-mule/

[CGW]

14 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Yep. Blighty and Stateside are not different in type from the Land of illusions, but way different in degree, or at least that's been my experience. People are people everywhere, there's the givers and there's the takers. Easy to work out which is which.

Yes, your right, in the 'west" not all politicians are corrupted, don't think you can say that about here!

[anon537687643]

I also was here.

Neither my location at the time nor yours alters the facts.

 

There were zero deaths prior to the April 10 crackdown by the military at the Phan Fah bridge which resulted in 24 deaths including 1 Japanese journalist and 5 soldiers and 800+ injured.

 

Abhisit is and was a gutless coward who allowed / allows himself to be used as a puppet by greedy and murderous and democratic thugs.

Who came to Bangkok to cause trouble because they did t like a new Gov? The gutless you support ! Courts have deemed the Gov acted within the law! Got it ?yeah you never will .

 

 

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[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

Who came to Bangkok to cause trouble because they did t like a new Gov? The gutless you support ! Courts have deemed the Gov acted within the law! Got it ?yeah you never will .

 

 

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I will take that you believed the courts were fair and independent.   

[Purdey]

While having little respect for Abhisit as a politician, he makes a fair point that there has been little done to provide a long-term solution to problems with the state. As the country moves inexorably towards Thailand 0.4, there are people who have ideas but no power, and those that have power but no ideas.

[Purdey]

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I will take that you believed the courts were fair and independent.   

I think this is an important point - Thai courts are neither fair nor independent, serving the powers that be, whoever they are.

Tried as I might, I have no idea why many countries allow the Shinawatras to roam free except that they really don't believe the Thai courts' verdicts.

[The manic]

45 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

Who came to Bangkok to cause trouble because they did t like a new Gov? The gutless you support ! Courts have deemed the Gov acted within the law! Got it ?yeah you never will .

 

 

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Thai citizens came to the capital of their country to try and prevent a coup. Many of the democracy activist were slaughtered.

[yellowboat]

1 hour ago, markaoffy said:

Who came to Bangkok to cause trouble because they did t like a new Gov? The gutless you support ! Courts have deemed the Gov acted within the law! Got it ?yeah you never will .

I think you are talking about the Red Shirt sit in.  They did that as the yellows did the same at the airport a couple of years earlier.  Not sure what you are trying say, but that is all in the past.  What is happening now is his PMness wants to be elected again, as an outside choice, so he does not have to face debates from people who have legitimate gripes with his governments failings, making him look like the fool he is.  If you look at the PTP now, they are organized and have a message, and are the best opportunity for the Thai people to have a voice in government.  The yellows can complain about them all they want, but having been cast aside by the current junta, they are better off to work something out with them for their own benefit, as well as, the average Thai.  If the junta wins, more than 99% of the country losses. 

 

Do you believe in the Thai justice system ?  This is where reform is needed badly, but that has not happened.

Edited April 16, 2018 by yellowboat

[Johnniey]

10 hours ago, Chris Lawrence said:

due to the extraordinary Thai cost to his education and his slide into politics

Are you referring to his education in one of the top schools in the world?

[metisdead]

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[bannork]

1 hour ago, The manic said:

Thai citizens came to the capital of their country to try and prevent a coup. Many of the democracy activist were slaughtered.

The red shirts only came to Bangkok after Thaksin's assets had been seized. And Thaksin rejected Abhist's offer of an election in November because he needed a violent showdown with the government to play the role of cruel government, suppressed people. He had already waited 2 years since the foŕmation òf the Abhisit government.He could easily have waited lknger b Excuse typos, useless tablet.

[KiwiKiwi]

4 hours ago, CGW said:

Yes, your right, in the 'west" not all politicians are corrupted, don't think you can say that about here!

I don't think anyone in Thailand can be assumed to be 'clean' (i.e. not corrupt). Many foreigners who use Thailand as an adopted home are also corrupt, to my certain knowledge, which probably means they are in Thailand because they are presented here with opportunities to be dishonest more or less with impunity, and with limited risk of facing justice, either because of the corruption or incompetence (or both) of the Thai justice system. An opportunity which many grab with both hands.

 

I would estimate, from my experience of them, that 80%-90% of Thais are either corrupt or would welcome the opportunity to benefit from corruption. Perhaps I've been moving in the wrong circles, but in my opinion, Thais are invariable venal and will grab every opportunity to take the money if it is available and the risk of getting caught and punished are low. This (also in my experience) stretches all the way from the village head men, right up to the government and politicians and beyond, they're all at it. All you need to do is read the newspapers to get a clear assessment of Thais.

 

Sad but true, but all of the evidence that is available points to my assessment being correct. I don't think it can be resolved or repaired, it's a part of the Chinese legacy. The only way would be to fix the education system now (which will take 30 years) and wait for the dishonest people in Thailand to die out. 2 generations seems reasonable, that's another 50 years, a total of 80 years. Bleak? Yes. Realistic? I believe so. Why not just leave? If I feel I have become tainted I will walk away and never look back - I value my ethical standards, they're a part of whom I assess myself to be and I will not compromise them, but I do have family here whom I value highly, and after all, throughout history, populations invariable evolve of are changed one person at a time.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[KiwiKiwi]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The red shirts only came to Bangkok after Thaksin's assets had been seized. And Thaksin rejected Abhist's offer of an election in November because he needed a violent showdown with the government to play the role of cruel government, suppressed people. He had already waited 2 years since the foŕmation òf the Abhisit government.He could easily have waited lknger b Excuse typos, useless tablet.

 

Any evidence to support what you claim were Thaksin;'s thoughts on the matter? Or speculation? Nothing wrong with speculation or conjecture but evidence in support helps stop them being just daydreams.

 

Know what you mean about tablets. Portable maybe but otherwise useless, and if Apple, expensive and useless.

[CGW]

1 hour ago, KiwiKiwi said:

I would estimate, from my experience of them, that 80%-90% of Thais are either corrupt or would welcome the opportunity to benefit from corruption

I would go with the higher number, I realised years back one of the problems with the inherent corrupt system here is that the Vast majority of Thai people place a lot of value on a persons status, meaning how much money they have! Where the money came from they don't care, until this attitude changes! as you say it would take generations.

I say "would" as the road society is following now, we cannot / or should not continue...........................That's another story

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I will take that you believed the courts were fair and independent.   

 

Actually i believe that you will never accept anything that doesn't glorify your idol and his thugs. 

[KiwiKiwi]

8 minutes ago, CGW said:

I would go with the higher number, I realised years back one of the problems with the inherent corrupt system here is that the Vast majority of Thai people place a lot of value on a persons status, meaning how much money they have! Where the money came from they don't care, until this attitude changes! as you say it would take generations.

I say "would" as the road society is following now, we cannot / or should not continue...........................That's another story

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