If you have two jobs, what is appropriate visa for you?

[DipStick]

10 minutes ago, LolaS said:

It is comonly done in academia, some of us have 3 or 4 possition in one time.

And still you can't explain How you can be in two places at the same time,  this thread is weird

[Swimman]

12 minutes ago, LolaS said:

It is comonly done in academia, some of us have 3 or 4 possition in one time.

Really?  3-4 full-time jobs at the same time?   Amazing!

[stud858]

4 hours ago, LolaS said:

 

Listen, stop harassing me, 

there are jobs for which you don't need permit. 

I believe the government owned offices,  schools,  etc don't need one. You will be told, "Don't worry, everything is fine." Immigration police won't raid government. Makes sense.,yeah.

 

[greenchair]

9 hours ago, LolaS said:

Like what? I got a two jobs, in different locations. In one I am more than a year now.

What should I do in BKK; just be quite about position there? 

 

You've come here to ask people for help. 

You've been rude and nasty to almost everyone. A couple of people asked how it is possible for you to hold 2 full time jobs situated so far apart. 

It's a reasonable question that might or might not help peopLe to assist you. If you are not willing to share significant details for readers to get their teeth into. 

Then yes, you should keep quiet about the whole thing and find the information yourself since you are so smart. 

 

Stop talking down us to boost your over inflated ego. 

[overherebc]

9 hours ago, LolaS said:

so why I dont have one yet? or any in my office who is foreigner?

Because it would appear the staff have no idea how to do it or are too lazy to do it.

 Plus they can dismiss you at any time without paying notice or severence pay and there will be nothing you can do about it.

 Think about the fact that even un-paid work for a charity requires a WP.

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Because it would appear the staff have no idea how to do it or are too lazy to do it.

 Plus they can dismiss you at any time without paying notice or severence pay and there will be nothing you can do about it.

 Think about the fact that even un-paid work for a charity requires a WP.

There are a few cases where a work permit is not required. R&D at a institute or university is one of them. 

This from the alien working act.

 

 

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

There are a few cases where a work permit is not required. R&D at a institute or university is one of them. 

This from the alien working act.

 

 

If the OP could explain the job and employer fully perhaps they could get more accurate info.

[NanLaew]

16 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If the OP could explain the job and employer fully perhaps they could get more accurate info.

No need for such detail. The OP states the two jobs she either has or will have as follows:

 

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one is the position of lecturer and another adjuct professor

The OP also added:

 

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As started as researcher and then position change to university lecturer 

It appears the OP originally did have an R&D position that HR correctly said does not need a WP. Since neither of these new job descriptions can be easily construed as being in an R&D position, I would think that a WP is now required for both jobs.

 

But the OP isn't asking about WP's here and only asking about what visa is appropriate. Being in possession of a "Non-immigrant" visa, the OP appears to already have the correct visa.

[scorecard]

19 hours ago, DipStick said:

Bit confusing this, two jobs that are both meant to be full time, but both locations are half the country away from each other, so how can they both be full time ? The only answer I can come up with is perhaps they are the same institution but different locations, 

 

Full-time as far as employment by a Thai university could have a bit different meaning to full-time in most other occupations.

 

 

[scorecard]

13 hours ago, LolaS said:

Problem is that Chiang Mai cannot advise me about Bangkok,  I asked them and they told me you will need to sort out with BKK 

 

That's not surprising, I very much doubt anybody would ever get 2 universities to discuss or collaborate on such a subject, they would all always take the attitude of 'you sort it out with the other uni'.

 

Thai universities are the same as universities in most, maybe all, other countries, they don't talk to each other, and internally faculties don't talk to each other. 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by scorecard

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

That's not surprising, I very much doubt anybody would ever get 2 universities to discuss or collaborate on such a subject, they would all always take the attitude of 'you sort it out with the other uni'.

 

 

Better to let someone else make a decision.

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

If the OP could explain the job and employer fully perhaps they could get more accurate info.

 

Not likely yo give the name of the uni involved but obviously that's up to the OP.

 

Why, often concern that if the institution is named then that institution will be swamped with job applications etc., and the uni quite displeased if they discover who gave out the initial information. Upsetting the dean or program directors is not a wise move. 

 

Further, I have worked as a lecturer in Thai unis, nowadays I give no personal details or business card to people I meet casually, because I've been caught twice with such people (who I don't know at all) approaching my uni and quoting my name and saying to the uni. that I will give them a positive recommendation. 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by scorecard

[GLewis]

16 hours ago, LolaS said:

Listen, stop harassing me, 

there are jobs for which you don't need permit. 

You are wrong and need to double check what you are being told by HR.  Why did you come and ask here. You seem to know it all plus you carry ya crappy attitude..

[LukKrueng]

17 hours ago, LolaS said:

 

there are jobs for which you don't need permit. 

not saying there aren't any, but I never heard of jobs that can be done by foreigners without a work permit. however, being a lecturer at a university requires a work permit as far as I know. I know of a very esteemed university that apply for work permits even for professors who come for 6 weeks courses

[manchega]

Hi Lola,

 

You need to contact the international school/HR part of the BKK uni.

One of the complicated things for expats is multiple jobs, since for ebvery position the work permit states one full time job only, no expat may work part time here.

 

the closest you can get is consultant, though for uinversity lecturer usually we are classed as specialist.

 

As one poster states ignorance of the law is not a defence .......

 

i understand how two positions can arise and you are not alone, when you have out that much time into education you really don't need the 40 hoiur week

 

either way there are others in yoiur position, but many on this forum will not understand the nuances.  you will find the academic - academic non thai community is quite small , so you will find some that understand your case soon enough, just not sure tv is the way forward

 

Manchega

[Brunolem]

14 hours ago, DipStick said:

And still you can't explain How you can be in two places at the same time,  this thread is weird

In the realm of academia, full time doesn't mean the same as it does for us lowly mortals.

Depending on their position, some may have to perform less than 10 hours a week to be considered as working full time.

Thus, it becomes easy to work many jobs "full time".

For example, the OP may work Monday and Tuesday in Bangkok, then fly to Chiang Mai to work on Wednesday and Thursday...and yet have Friday free for another job!

[overherebc]

14 hours ago, DipStick said:

And still you can't explain How you can be in two places at the same time,  this thread is weird

Not that unusual. I had two full time. One in BKK and one in Rayong for the same company, two different projects. 

Just split the time between both with visits 2 or 3 times a week. One WP covered both. 

The company got both put on the one WP.

[Brunolem]

5 hours ago, greenchair said:

You've come here to ask people for help. 

You've been rude and nasty to almost everyone. A couple of people asked how it is possible for you to hold 2 full time jobs situated so far apart. 

It's a reasonable question that might or might not help peopLe to assist you. If you are not willing to share significant details for readers to get their teeth into. 

Then yes, you should keep quiet about the whole thing and find the information yourself since you are so smart. 

 

Stop talking down us to boost your over inflated ego. 

This is typical behavior from academics.

Never set a foot in the real world, yet reshaping the world between themselves, according to their theories.

These people, who know everything except a few insignificant details such as work permit rules, have little time and patience for bureaucratic worms foolish enough to try to teach them something.

[greenchair]

4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

There are a few cases where a work permit is not required. R&D at a institute or university is one of them. 

This from the alien working act.

 

 

Well I remember talking about section 4 in several threads. People abused me quite unfairly. 

I have been saying for years if you are married with visa you can tutor without a wp. 

Perfectly legal. 

Finally. Thank you 

[LivinLOS]

19 hours ago, LolaS said:

 

Listen, stop harassing me, 

there are jobs for which you don't need permit. 

Your not being harassed.. Your being given accurate advice. 

The jobs you specified do need work permits.. HR often lies or is incompetent on this topic, however its you not them who face punishments. 

[LolaS]

15 hours ago, DipStick said:

And still you can't explain How you can be in two places at the same time,  this thread is weird

Dear Grandpa DipStick people have two or three professions on different continents. It is normal in R&D

 

15 hours ago, Swimman said:

Really?  3-4 full-time jobs at the same time?   Amazing!

Yes. not all labor is manual.

 

15 hours ago, stud858 said:

I believe the government owned offices,  schools,  etc don't need one. You will be told, "Don't worry, everything is fine." Immigration police won't raid government. Makes sense.,yeah.

 

some of them have, the one that are emloyed as stuff and foreign language teacher

 

6 hours ago, greenchair said:

You've come here to ask people for help. 

You've been rude and nasty to almost everyone. A couple of people asked how it is possible for you to hold 2 full time jobs situated so far apart. 

It's a reasonable question that might or might not help peopLe to assist you. If you are not willing to share significant details for readers to get their teeth into. 

Then yes, you should keep quiet about the whole thing and find the information yourself since you are so smart. 

 

 

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It is only 700 km, one of my colleague hold two positions, one in Okinawa, another one in South Africa. do you want proof ?

[LolaS]

5 hours ago, overherebc said:

Because it would appear the staff have no idea how to do it or are too lazy to do it.

 Plus they can dismiss you at any time without paying notice or severence pay and there will be nothing you can do about it.

 Think about the fact that even un-paid work for a charity requires a WP.

I have a contract, individual and collective one, I dont understand your point with WP???

 

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

That's not surprising, I very much doubt anybody would ever get 2 universities to discuss or collaborate on such a subject, they would all always take the attitude of 'you sort it out with the other uni'.

 

Thai universities are the same as universities in most, maybe all, other countries, they don't talk to each other, and internally faculties don't talk to each other. 

 

 

 

Yes, exactly!!! Sometimes... not to mention... even inside department between divisions, not talk to each. Quite a shock for me

 

4 hours ago, GLewis said:

You are wrong and need to double check what you are being told by HR.  Why did you come and ask here. You seem to know it all plus you carry ya crappy attitude..

do you have any evedience that I need one

 

2 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

not saying there aren't any, but I never heard of jobs that can be done by foreigners without a work permit. however, being a lecturer at a university requires a work permit as far as I know. I know of a very esteemed university that apply for work permits even for professors who come for 6 weeks courses

what kind of courses? the one that are comemricial or the one belong to program approved by HC

[Swimman]

2 minutes ago, LolaS said:

Yes. not all labor is manual.

I have never undertaken manual work.- I have a good profession and academic qualifications but I have never managed to do more than one full-time job at any one time. 

[LolaS]

2 hours ago, manchega said:

Hi Lola,

 

You need to contact the international school/HR part of the BKK uni.

One of the complicated things for expats is multiple jobs, since for ebvery position the work permit states one full time job only, no expat may work part time here.

 

the closest you can get is consultant, though for uinversity lecturer usually we are classed as specialist.

 

As one poster states ignorance of the law is not a defence .......

 

i understand how two positions can arise and you are not alone, when you have out that much time into education you really don't need the 40 hoiur week

 

either way there are others in yoiur position, but many on this forum will not understand the nuances.  you will find the academic - academic non thai community is quite small , so you will find some that understand your case soon enough, just not sure tv is the way forward

 

Manchega

Thank you for reply,

 

 

Problem is that I dont know a lot of foreign lecturers in BKK, tbh I dont know anyone, only thais professor, that are of course clueless.

International department told me that they handle only cases of foreigners who study or work as technical teachers ( by technical I mean the one that have only duty to teach, which I dont have, for example to those of you members that are ignorant my full time week load is 9 credits, they have for part time 15 teaching credits!!! for just part time teaching)

 

Problem in this forum is people jump to conclusion too much, 

[LolaS]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

In the realm of academia, full time doesn't mean the same as it does for us lowly mortals.

Depending on their position, some may have to perform less than 10 hours a week to be considered as working full time.

Thus, it becomes easy to work many jobs "full time".

For example, the OP may work Monday and Tuesday in Bangkok, then fly to Chiang Mai to work on Wednesday and Thursday...and yet have Friday free for another job!

Yes, for example, technical teachers, the one that are employed only for teaching undergrads languages and other related subjects, need to work 15h per week of teaching, and that is considered a part-time position.

 

For me full time is 9 credits, but how is this relevant to this topic I am not sure.

 

they are not entitled to collective contracts.

[LolaS]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

This is typical behavior from academics.

Never set a foot in the real world, yet reshaping the world between themselves, according to their theories.

These people, who know everything except a few insignificant details such as work permit rules, have little time and patience for bureaucratic worms foolish enough to try to teach them something.

why should I try to justify my work? I don't do anything illegal or unethical. If he doesnt believe me it is his choice, it is weird his repulsive dictionary and stalking. 

[LolaS]

22 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Your not being harassed.. Your being given accurate advice. 

The jobs you specified do need work permits.. HR often lies or is incompetent on this topic, however its you not them who face punishments. 

do you have any evidence for that?

 

as far as I know, harboring illegal employers is more big of a deal of law enforcement then working illegally.

 

As I am aware, if someone hire you illegally, that one will have more problem than worker.

[FritsSikkink]

4 minutes ago, LolaS said:

do you have any evidence for that?

 

as far as I know, harboring illegal employers is more big of a deal of law enforcement then working illegally.

 

As I am aware, if someone hire you illegally, that one will have more problem than worker.

Depends how you look at it. The company hiring gets a fine. The worker gets a fine, can be deported.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

Well I remember talking about section 4 in several threads. People abused me quite unfairly. 

I have been saying for years if you are married with visa you can tutor without a wp. 

Perfectly legal. 

Finally. Thank you 

And tutoring fits into 1,2 or 3 how?

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

This is typical behavior from academics.

Never set a foot in the real world, yet reshaping the world between themselves, according to their theories.

These people, who know everything except a few insignificant details such as work permit rules, have little time and patience for bureaucratic worms foolish enough to try to teach them something.

 

Your comment is less than accurate and not appreciated.

There are arrogant and not arrogant  / pleasant and not pleasant people in every occupation / every walk of life.