Trump back in step with NRA after doubts over Parkland shooting

[nausea]

I want to see concealed carry in London. Screw the knives and the acid. And maybe they'll be a little more proactive than our American cousins. Shit, you have concealed carry, and some guy just wanders into a restaurant and blasts everybody away. 

[Scott]

Post advocating assassination has been reported and removed.  

 

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

<deleted> indeed. No Leatherman, no Swiss Army Knife. No whittling, No marlinspike for knots. It boggles the mind how effete that society has become.

It’s always interesting to observe changing attitudes.

 

traditionally people using projectile weapons were deemed to be cowards.... and legends grew from beard to beard fighting.

 

but now we have the suggestion that those engaging hand to hand are weak people, with the inference being that a gun toting society is somehow better.... 

 

yep... mind boggling... an effete girly man can kill like a coward from a distant hidey hole, whereas as men with steel balls go man on man without a thunder stick.

 

FYI.... leathermans and Swiss army knifes are not illegal.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2018 by farcanell

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, farcanell said:

It’s always interesting to observe changing attitudes.

 

traditionally people using projectile weapons were deemed to be cowards.... and legends grew from beard to beard fighting.

 

but now we have the suggestion that those engaging hand to hand are weak people, with the inference being that a gun toting society is somehow better.... 

 

yep... mind boggling... an effete girly man can kill like a coward from a distant hidey hole, whereas as men with steel balls go man on man without a thunder stick.

 

 

 

A knife is used mostly as a tool. A gun is a weapon. A drill could kill you too ya know.

[farcanell]

3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

A knife is used mostly as a tool. A gun is a weapon. A drill could kill you too ya know.

A three inch folding blade is legal..... and enough of a tool for most.... any bladed tool beyond three inches, becomes a bit of a special purpose item ( chefs, butchers etc etc), and can therefore be carried if needed

 

yep... a gun is a weapon

 

yep... a drill can kill you too.... so can a brick tossed of a roof...so can etc etc etc etc etc etc ?

[farcanell]

12 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

OK, I'll bite. If gun control advocates care about our children so much, why are they going after *assault weapons*, one of the smallest means of homicide in the US? Let's start there. However, I reserve the right to bring up car accidents for further disputing of your reality you appear to live in.

My goodness... you really really shouldn’t bite.

 

In 2015.... 71.5% of homicides in America involved firearms, according to the FBI.... of those firearms, assault weapons are the easiest target to go after, being assault weopons.... your cherry picking to obfuscate the issue

 

11.5% were knife attacks.... the second most common cause..... so I wonder what the most common cause would be if guns were removed... oh... duh... knives... that’s probably why the UK has restricted their carry, don’t ya think

 

[7by7]

13 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

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I reserve the right to bring up car accidents

I haven't checked, but it is highly probable that more Americans were killed in road traffic accidents last year than by guns. 

 

But there is a difference; motor vehicles can, and do, kill. Due to the driver's incompetence, poor maintenance or a deliberate act by the driver. But that is not what motor vehicles are designed for. They are designed as a means of transport.

 

Whereas guns are designed for one purpose and one purpose only; to kill.

 

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, farcanell said:

A three inch folding blade is legal..... and enough of a tool for most.... any bladed tool beyond three inches, becomes a bit of a special purpose item ( chefs, butchers etc etc), and can therefore be carried if needed

Indeed; no one is going to be prosecuted in the UK for carrying a pocket knife without permission simply because there is no legal requirement to have permission from anyone in order to carry a pocket knife!

 

From Police.UK: Possession of weapons

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Knives

It is illegal to:

• sell a knife of any kind to anyone under 18 years old (16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives)
• carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, e.g. a Swiss Army knife (a "lock knife" does not come into the category of "folding pocket knife" because it is not immediately foldable at all times)
• carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
• use any knife in a threatening way (including a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

Good reasons for carrying a knife

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

• taking knives you use at work to and from work
• taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
• the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, e.g. the kirpan some Sikhs carry

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.

Banned knives

Examples of knives that are completely banned are:

• disguised knife
• stealth knife & baton
• sword
• zombie knife

This is not a complete list of banned knives and weapons. Contact your local police to check if a knife or weapon is illegal

 

Meanwhile: Donald Trump comments on London knife crime branded 'absurd and offensive' by victims' families

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Parents of children murdered in knife and gun attacks on British streets have condemned Donald Trump for claiming that the right to bear arms could help tackle gang violence in the UK.

 After all, the second amendment hasn't tackled gang violence in the USA; the complete opposite in fact.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

1 hour ago, farcanell said:

In 2015.... 71.5% of homicides in America involved firearms, according to the FBI.... of those firearms, assault weapons are the easiest target to go after, being assault weopons.... your cherry picking to obfuscate the issue

 

But they aren't "assault weapons". They are not select fire, they are not full auto, and those are the criteria for being a military weapon. 

 

And your argument that they should be banned not because of statistics but because of the name that gun-ban politicians gave the weapons themselves isn't a very good one. 

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed.

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

40 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

a "lock knife" does not come into the category of "folding pocket knife" because it is not immediately foldable at all times

LOL so they effectively restricted 99.9% of todays pocket knives with this little diddy right here.

 

Maybe in your part of the world 99.9% of today's pocket knives are lock knives, but in the UK most pocket knives are not. Indeed, most are part of a multi tool such as a Swiss Army Knife or similar.

 

This is not because lock knives are restricted; it is legal to sell them, own them and carry them. The only restriction is that if carrying one in public and asked by the police why you need to have an acceptable reason: such as it being a tool of your trade, you use it when camping or similar. But it is a fact that a lock knife can be used as a lethal weapon far more effectively than an ordinary folding pocket knife.

 

But, of course, anything with an edge can be used to wound, if not kill. But unlike a gun you can't kill dozens of people in a park from your hotel room with one; locked blade or not!

[PhonThong]

9 hours ago, Basil B said:

You just do not get it, the gang violence in the UK is an American export, kids trying to to copy their American cousins, and we are doing something about it.

 

You can carry a pocket knife if you can show good cause.

 

But in the UK we have been doing something about reducing violence...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation

I agree. Always trying to copy.  

[RobFord]

This about sums it up.

 

 

[PhonThong]

2 hours ago, farcanell said:

My goodness... you really really shouldn’t bite.

 

In 2015.... 71.5% of homicides in America involved firearms, according to the FBI.... of those firearms, assault weapons are the easiest target to go after, being assault weopons.... your cherry picking to obfuscate the issue

 

11.5% were knife attacks.... the second most common cause..... so I wonder what the most common cause would be if guns were removed... oh... duh... knives... that’s probably why the UK has restricted their carry, don’t ya think

 

Actually, to be correct, I hardly think many if any actual assault weapons were used. Assault weapons are fully automatic weapons.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

16 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Maybe in your part of the world 99.9% of today's pocket knives are lock knives, but in the UK most pocket knives are not. Indeed, most are part of a multi tool such as a Swiss Army Knife or similar.

 

This is not because lock knives are restricted; it is legal to sell them, own them and carry them. The only restriction is that if carrying one in public and asked by the police why you need to have an acceptable reason: such as it being a tool of your trade, you use it when camping or similar. But it is a fact that a lock knife can be used as a lethal weapon far more effectively than an ordinary folding pocket knife.

 

But, of course, anything with an edge can be used to wound, if not kill. But unlike a gun you can't kill dozens of people in a park from your hotel room with one; locked blade or not!

 

I guess at the end of the day you guys are totally fine with your government not trusting you with sharp objects without acceptable reason. Im not ok with this and neither are millions and millions of Americans, which is why the UK is being used in the Gun Control debate. The USA has over 300 million guns in circulation, yet somehow London has surpassed New Yorks murder rate.  

 

Have you heard of the boiling frog metaphor? Reminds me of you guys. 

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, PhonThong said:

Actually, to be correct, I hardly think many if any actual assault weapons were used. Assault weapons are fully automatic weapons.

 

While that may be true, that is not the common usage of the term. Assault weapons as they are commonly described include both automatic and semi automatic rifles.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

2 minutes ago, RobFord said:

This about sums it up.

 

No it doesn't. People arguing in these circles are so biased and uninformed its unbelievable. What your first meme does is take only the mass shootings where the killer used an ar15 and not all mass shootings.

 

Most mass shootings "more than 3 people" are not done by ar15's. They are done by handgun. Facts and context matters. 

 

Luckily there are civil rights organizations like the NRA that fight against this ignorance. 

[underlordcthulhu]

8 minutes ago, RobFord said:

This about sums it up.

 

 

How many NRA members have shot up a school, concert, church etc? Please do fill us in. 

[UncleTouchyFingers]

4 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Assault weapons as they are commonly described include both automatic and semi automatic rifles.

 

So we should take the gun-ban politicians given name and description of the weapon and not what it really is? 

 

Because thats what you seem to be implying, and thats wrong. 

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

So we should take the gun-ban politicians given name and description of the weapon and not what it really is? 

 

Because thats what you seem to be implying, and thats wrong. 

 

I'm not implying that. I'm just stating how things are. Nothing is true anymore. Everything is a narrative. That's their narrative and those who disagree need to come up with their own narrative. The truth counts for nothing anymore,

[PhonThong]

19 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

While that may be true, that is not the common usage of the term. Assault weapons as they are commonly described include both automatic and semi automatic rifles.

It was created by the liberal media and the anti-gun groups. It is not a common term of usage among the educated. 

Edited May 6, 2018 by PhonThong

[UncleTouchyFingers]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

I'm not implying that. I'm just stating how things are. Nothing is true anymore. Everything is a narrative. That's their narrative and those who disagree need to come up with their own narrative. The truth counts for nothing anymore,

 

Well I can agree with that, unfortunately. 

[PhonThong]

For our cousins from across the pond.

 

The Second Amendment protects the individual right to keep and bear arms. The concept of such a right existed within English common law long before the enactment of the Bill of Rights.^[97] First codified in the English Bill of Rights of 1689 (but there only applying to Protestants), this right was enshrined in fundamental laws of several American states during the Revolutionary era, including the 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights and the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776. Long a controversial issue in American political, legal, and social discourse, the Second Amendment has been at the heart of several Supreme Court decisions.

 

"A right can be violated but never taken away"

[cnxgary]

For everyones info. Before Trumps speech on sat. for the N.R.A all members that have permits to carry hidden guns were denied entry due to security concerns. Does this not fly in the face of the arguments from the N.R.A that guns make everything safer? Talk about hypocracy!

[lannarebirth]

11 minutes ago, PhonThong said:

For our cousins from across the pond.

 

The Second Amendment protects the individual right to keep and bear arms. The concept of such a right existed within English common law long before the enactment of the Bill of Rights.^[97] First codified in the English Bill of Rights of 1689 (but there only applying to Protestants), this right was enshrined in fundamental laws of several American states during the Revolutionary era, including the 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights and the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776. Long a controversial issue in American political, legal, and social discourse, the Second Amendment has been at the heart of several Supreme Court decisions.

 

"A right can be violated but never taken away"

 

What a lot of people don't understand about the Bill of Rights, particularly non Americans, is that these are not rights that were granted, they were assumed to be rights innate to all humans. The Bill of Rights merely spells out those innate rights that the government will protect its citizens from ever losing.

Edited May 6, 2018 by lannarebirth

[PatOngo]

Dammmn it Chuuurk, wherrre's ma gurn?

[UncleTouchyFingers]

1 minute ago, cnxgary said:

For everyones info. Before Trumps speech on sat. for the N.R.A all members that have permits to carry hidden guns were denied entry due to security concerns. Does this not fly in the face of the arguments from the N.R.A that guns make everything safer? Talk about hypocracy!

 

The NRA has never made the argument that guns make everything safer. 

 

The Secret Service are the ones that are providing the security for the event, so there will be plenty of good guys with guns there. Absolutely nothing hypocritical about it and completely in line with what they advise for others. 

 

However, a real example of hypocrisy would be Alyssa Milano (TV B-List Celebrity) campaigning for gun reform while being protected by armed guards who are intimidating people at an event. 

 

Classic, classic liberal hypocrisy. 

 

 

 

[PatOngo]

The cull continues....git er dun!

 

[PhonThong]

7 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

The NRA has never made the argument that guns make everything safer. 

 

The Secret Service are the ones that are providing the security for the event, so there will be plenty of good guys with guns there. Absolutely nothing hypocritical about it and completely in line with what they advise for others. 

 

However, a real example of hypocrisy would be Alyssa Milano (TV B-List Celebrity) campaigning for gun reform while being protected by armed guards who are intimidating people at an event. 

 

Classic, classic liberal hypocrisy. 

 

 

 

I would have made that security guy hit me. That was a public place. Then I would have sued her for all she is worth.

[lannarebirth]

9 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

The cull continues....git er dun!

 

 

Ok, you're in charge. What are you gonna do specifically to stop it?