Socialist Britain will not be 'ripped off any more' under Labour: McDonnell

[Chomper Higgot]

Oh look middle aged expat men sticking it to single mothers, calling them welfare scrounges, burdens on the tax payer etc.

 

We might start tackling fathers who don’t pay for their children, perhaps following the US policy, if you owe maintenance for your kids you don’t get a passport.

[Chomper Higgot]

Let’s do some sums on middle aged expat retiring with a private pension.

 

If he’s played his cards right he might have a pension pot of £500,000.

 

Typicall he might have paid in £150,000 to get this pot (he got tax relief on all of that)

He didn’t pay any tax on the growth and he can take 25% as s tax free lump sum.

 

He’s received a couple of hundred thousand in tax relief, but everyone else in s scrounges.

 

 

His mate with a pension pot at the life time maximum £1,030,000 has received perhsps as much as £500,000 tax free.

 

Oh let’s blame single mums.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said:

As I previously stated, I did .......... I didn't feel 20KGBP/year tax free with no deductions to be meager.

Lived in a 500k house (fully paid), had 150k cash in the bank, but only an income between 2k-5k per year. We were classed as a 'low income family' 'in work' entitled to everything (as long as I pretended to work 16hr/week).

Lived that way from 2001 until 2009, when my wife realized she could have the same money all for herself and the two kids without me.

She's been living on that 20K/year from 2009 and still is, she'll have a small problem in 2020 when the kids are 19 and the free money goes away.

 

I love Tony Blair!

He paid for me to have an eight year holiday.

All of that might even be true.

 

Accept it’s not.  There’s a big gaping clue right in the middle of what you wrote.

 

 

[vogie]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s do some sums on middle aged expat retiring with a private pension.

 

If he’s played his cards right he might have a pension pot of £500,000.

 

Typicall he might have paid in £150,000 to get this pot (he got tax relief on all of that)

He didn’t pay any tax on the growth and he can take 25% as s tax free lump sum.

 

He’s received a couple of hundred thousand in tax relief, but everyone else in s scrounges.

 

 

His mate with a pension pot at the life time maximum £1,030,000 has received perhsps as much as £500,000 tax free.

 

Oh let’s blame single mums.

Why are you blaming the people that work for their success in life, somebody has to pay for the non workers.

[vogie]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s do some sums on middle aged expat retiring with a private pension.

 

If he’s played his cards right he might have a pension pot of £500,000.

 

Typicall he might have paid in £150,000 to get this pot (he got tax relief on all of that)

He didn’t pay any tax on the growth and he can take 25% as s tax free lump sum.

 

He’s received a couple of hundred thousand in tax relief, but everyone else in s scrounges.

 

 

His mate with a pension pot at the life time maximum £1,030,000 has received perhsps as much as £500,000 tax free.

 

Oh let’s blame single mums.

The cold winter nights in your house must fly by playing monopoly with Corbyn and McClusky.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vogie said:

Why are you blaming the people that work for their success in life, somebody has to pay for the non workers.

Has the discussion moved onto who pays for the banisters already.

 

And there was me making an observation that even those who regard themselves as the hardworking backbone of the nation have their hands in the national coffers.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vogie said:

The cold winter nights in your house must fly by playing monopoly with Corbyn and McClusky.

I’m more concerned with the cold winter nights for those who don’t have a house (a destrbingly high number of whom are men who served in the armed forces).

[SheungWan]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m more concerned with the cold winter nights for those who don’t have a house (a destrbingly high number of whom are men who served in the armed forces).

oh Purrlease! I'm more concerned about the poor people who have to live outside the M25. Under Corbyn 'er......

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

oh Purrlease! I'm more concerned about the poor people who have to live outside the M25. Under Corbyn 'er......

You mean the ones who want to have access to a health service, affordable housing, affordable education, care for the elderly, a police force that has enough officers, local transport, libraries...?

 

All the stuff the Tories are dismantling.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You mean the ones who want to have access to a health service, affordable housing, affordable education, care for the elderly, a police force that has enough officers, local transport, libraries...?

All the stuff the Tories are dismantling.

So when was the golden era? The Corbyn supporters hate Blair, so when was it? Under Callaghan? Wilson, Attlee. How far back do you want to go?

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

So when was the golden era? The Corbyn supporters hate Blair, so when was it? Under Callaghan? Wilson, Attlee. How far back do you want to go?

Where did this ‘golden era’ come from?

 

Oh, you made it up.

[mokwit]

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Yes indeed although it is too late for the voters to do anything about that!  Whichever side you are on.

My observation has been it really doesn't seem to matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in

[Bundooman]

12 hours ago, edwinchester said:

One assumes less than that with May, Cameron, Johnson and Mogg steering the ship.

One assumes less than that with May, Cameron, Johnson, Mogg and good 'ole cracker-jacker commie socialist - the one and onlyyyyyy - edwinchester!....................steering the ship to doom and disaster..

[Bundooman]

9 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Something fundamental has to change in how we govern the UK. Socialism may be bad, but what we have now is truly evil. The completely unnecessary indignities that many face on a daily basis are just the tip of the iceberg. People are dying every day because of austerity, while the rich friends and donors of the Tory party continue to quaff their champagne, snort their cocaine and offshore their money like it's the 1980s all over again.

 

The UK has become more crap, more run down, more feral by the day - and all because of Tory ideology. And all we hear is that the left is bad? What will it take for you people to wake up?

Evil? Hahahahahahahahaha!

 

People dying every day? Hahahahahahahahaha! Of course they are - but not through austerity - through old age, smoking, accidents, murder, suicide drugs, heart attacks, stc. blah blah blah.

 

And,

 

Do you also mean that every other country in the world - including the country we are living in right now,  ISN'T doing the "the rich friends and donors of the governing party continue to quaff their champagne, snort their cocaine and offshore their money like it's the 1980s all over again"

 

Hahahahahahahahahaha!. Haven't laughed so much in a long time.

[Bundooman]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Why are you blaming the people that work for their success in life, somebody has to pay for the non workers. 

Or the scrounging, lazy masses...... to put it better.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bundooman said:

Or the scrounging, lazy masses...... to put it better.

You shouldn’t talk about the banksters like that, they have feelings you know.

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

Evil? Hahahahahahahahaha!

 

People dying every day? Hahahahahahahahaha! Of course they are - but not through austerity - through old age, smoking, accidents, murder, suicide drugs, heart attacks, stc. blah blah blah.

 

And,

 

Do you also mean that every other country in the world - including the country we are living in right now,  ISN'T doing the "the rich friends and donors of the governing party continue to quaff their champagne, snort their cocaine and offshore their money like it's the 1980s all over again"

 

Hahahahahahahahahaha!. Haven't laughed so much in a long time.

You keep laughing, mate - I am glad you are sitting pretty.

 

Austerity cuts to NHS blamed for 120,000 excess deaths

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

Evil? Hahahahahahahahaha!

 

People dying every day? Hahahahahahahahaha! Of course they are - but not through austerity - through old age, smoking, accidents, murder, suicide drugs, heart attacks, stc. blah blah blah.

 

And,

 

Do you also mean that every other country in the world - including the country we are living in right now,  ISN'T doing the "the rich friends and donors of the governing party continue to quaff their champagne, snort their cocaine and offshore their money like it's the 1980s all over again"

 

Hahahahahahahahahaha!. Haven't laughed so much in a long time.

You keep laughing, mate - I am glad you are sitting pretty.

 

Austerity cuts to NHS blamed for 120,000 excess deaths

[CG1 Blue]

57 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

  41 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

Or the scrounging, lazy masses...... to put it better.

53 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You shouldn’t talk about the banksters like that, they have feelings you know.

Most bankers I have known wake at the crack of dawn, work flat out and get home after bed time. They may be many things, but lazy is not one of them!

Perhaps you'd prefer it if they stayed at home and claimed benefits.

 

 

[Grouse]

11 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Something fundamental has to change in how we govern the UK. Socialism may be bad, but what we have now is truly evil. The completely unnecessary indignities that many face on a daily basis are just the tip of the iceberg. People are dying every day because of austerity, while the rich friends and donors of the Tory party continue to quaff their champagne, snort their cocaine and offshore their money like it's the 1980s all over again.

 

The UK has become more crap, more run down, more feral by the day - and all because of Tory ideology. And all we hear is that the left is bad? What will it take for you people to wake up?

Get rid of FPTP so that people can choose what they want. I for one feel disenfranchised. Otherwise revolution may come

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Most bankers I have known wake at the crack of dawn, work flat out and get home after bed time. They may be many things, but lazy is not one of them!

Perhaps you'd prefer it if they stayed at home and claimed benefits.

 

 

It might cost the tax payer less in handouts if they did:

 

https://www.ft.com/content/1b0ec41e-b18c-11e6-9c37-5787335499a0

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Get rid of FPTP so that people can choose what they want. I for one feel disenfranchised. Otherwise revolution may come

Proportional representation would almost certainly give rise to religious and other extremist political parties.

 

 

[Kiwiken]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Proportional representation would almost certainly give rise to religious and other extremist political parties.

 

 

Given todays technology there is no reason for Democracy not to evolve. People could be polled relatively cheaply on Government policies affecting Social issues, Health and Education. A more inclusive Society does not have to be some socialist Utopia . Time to evolve further from Magna Carta and form a Democracy which is all inclusive. After a few trials and tribulations people will learn that their opinion counts.

[Trouble]

"You'll get a fair rate of return but we're not going to be ripped off any more, simple as that."

 

That about says it all. The new glorious socialist government will regulate the rate of return and decide what is fair.  Wonder where we have heard this before?  Any number of failed states. What the socialists don't realize is that capital will go offshore  and look for greater returns elsewhere. Part of the problem might be all those immigrants you've allowed in Great Britain to dilute the earnings of labor.  Don't worry, the same will happen in the USA down the road if the lefties have their way. Of course in the USA they won't dictate what return on investment should be, they will just want to tax it to death.

[CG1 Blue]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

41 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Most bankers I have known wake at the crack of dawn, work flat out and get home after bed time. They may be many things, but lazy is not one of them!

Perhaps you'd prefer it if they stayed at home and claimed benefits.

 

 

It might cost the tax payer less in handouts if they did:

Any idea how much tax income the UK receives from all those working in financial services, plus corporation tax?  

And have you socialists ever thought about the consequences of strangling the banking system?

 

Trust me, there won't be much left in the coffers for hand-outs to the less fortunate if McDonnell and his ilk get into power.

 

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Get rid of FPTP so that people can choose what they want. I for one feel disenfranchised. Otherwise revolution may come

Sorry to remind you, but 'er, the UK had a referendum on the issue.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Proportional representation would almost certainly give rise to religious and other extremist political parties.

 

 

Yes but it would be a safety valve. As you say, it would be partieS. Difficult to get power. Maybe the Lib Dems will bounce back 

[Grouse]

46 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Sorry to remind you, but 'er, the UK had a referendum on the issue.

And we all trust the UK peeps to vote sensibly, don't we. 

 

I dont know what the answer is!

[mokwit]

6 hours ago, Trouble said:

"You'll get a fair rate of return but we're not going to be ripped off any more, simple as that."

 

That about says it all. The new glorious socialist government will regulate the rate of return and decide what is fair.  Wonder where we have heard this before?  Any number of failed states. What the socialists don't realize is that capital will go offshore  and look for greater returns elsewhere. Part of the problem might be all those immigrants you've allowed in Great Britain to dilute the earnings of labor.  Don't worry, the same will happen in the USA down the road if the lefties have their way. Of course in the USA they won't dictate what return on investment should be, they will just want to tax it to death.

These 'never had a real job' politicians just don't get it that nobody will expand their business if the profits are taken away in tax. All risk no reward. Nobody goes for that deal. Growth stalls as no business expansion.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

Given todays technology there is no reason for Democracy not to evolve. People could be polled relatively cheaply on Government policies affecting Social issues, Health and Education. A more inclusive Society does not have to be some socialist Utopia . Time to evolve further from Magna Carta and form a Democracy which is all inclusive. After a few trials and tribulations people will learn that their opinion counts.

Magna Carta was nothing to do with democracy and had virtually nothing to say about the rights of anyone other than those of the Lords and Barons.