Cabradelmar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, bluesofa said: As long as you're an American you can do that. No foreigners can own land in Thailand 100% outright without layering on addition schemes and cavets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabradelmar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Would also be nice if they opened the positions up to people here on retirement visas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cabradelmar said: Would also be nice if they opened the positions up to people here on retirement visas. I'm normally good at spotting sarcasm, but I'll be honest, you got me beat... Are you serious ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 "The Council of Engineers has criticised the plan. The civil-engineer occupation should remain reserved for Thais because it involves people’s safety, they said. " This statement is ridiculous. It would seem to me that countries like the USA EU as well as others have safety standards well in excess of what they are in Thailand Have you ever seen a building site ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kerryd Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Bayrat said: The Council of Engineers has criticised the plan. The civil-engineer occupation should remain reserved for Thais because it involves people’s safety, they said. This is where I spit out my coffee................. Well, considering the flood of Nigerian and Indian and Cambodian "Engineers" that would likely come flooding in, you can see he may have a point. Not all "civil engineers' come from countries with quality schools and high standards for qualification. For example, we hired some Indian "mechanics" in Afghanistan back in 2003. They couldn't do a simple oil filter change or spark plugs or pretty much any other routine task. Turns out, they'd worked on an auto assembly line at a plant in India. One guy said his job was to place the front right tire on the axle. That's it. (Someone else put the lug nuts on and someone else actually tightened them. Another guy did a similar task like positioning the front bumper or the rear door, etc, etc.) Yet they billed themselves out as "mechanics". (As well, various "recruiting agencies" have a tendency to fudge qualifications and paperwork in exchange for a cut of the employee's salary. We had a lot of trades people show up (electricians, carpenters, plumbers and so on) that didn't have a clue what they were doing. When questioned, they said they went to a recruiting agency to see what jobs were available. They were told that (some company) was hiring people for these jobs and were told they could take the jobs, even if they weren't qualified. (The agency would still get a cut, one way or another.) The idea was (apparently) that if they got to (wherever) and couldn't do the job, they'd find a different position as that would be cheaper than flying the guy home and trying to hire a new one in the hopes that the replacement might actually be qualified. Another example. If you want to practise medicine in Canada (as a foreign qualified doctor for example), you have to pass a series of tests designed to make sure you are a) actually qualified and b) can meet the standards expected of Canadian doctors. Many doctors from India have protested against that rule as they figure they shouldn't have to be tested. Some even claimed that "they would only take Indian patients" (and therefore should be allowed to treat them to "Indian" standards instead of Canadian). Yeah, like that wouldn't lead to hundreds of malpractice lawsuits and huge insurance payouts. The doctors don't want to take the tests because they know they probably won't pass them. Fortunately that is one area that Canada hasn't caved in to (yet). If you think about it for a moment, you can see that there would be cause for concern. How many project managers would pick a (third world) engineer at 10,000 baht a month (or less) over a western trained and qualified engineer who would probably expect at least 10 times that amount ? In the case of the rail link project(s), this would allow those companies to hire their own engineers (thus keeping more of the profits "in house" and cutting down on language/cultural issues). Whether or not those people would meet the Thai standard is debatable of course (though you can probably assume that they will, one way or another). I'd like to see the full list of 11 positions. If they start letting foreigners work as massage "therapists" you know what will happen almost immediately afterwards ! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akampa Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, webfact said: The Council of Engineers has criticised the plan. The civil-engineer occupation should remain reserved for Thais because it involves people’s safety, they said what ! I see workers on large building sites with flips on safety my a***s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetJunkie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, LazySlipper said: I never saw in the "amity act" a provision that allowed for that. Have read it and tried to see if there was a possibility. If there is, it is not as clear cut as that. Guessing you actually meant the The US-Thai Amity Treaty - but you are right, here is a little bit of the treaty; " The Thailand Treaty of Amity prohibits American investors from engaging in the following reserved activities: Communications Transportation; Fiduciary functions Banking involving depository functions; Land Ownership, Exploitation of land or Other natural resources; and Domestic trade in indigenous agricultural products." https://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/US-Thai Amity.php 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 The one that comes up for a lot of heat is Architects. There is one guy here who hammers that one on every new building in Bangkok. At the moment they are illegal but everyone does it. Is that one of the new 11 on the list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gandalf12 Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, ezzra said: Are you nuts? if all foreigners will own enough land they can and will: take the land with them when they go back, stage a coup to overthrow the government, set up a farang country within Thailand and so on.. nevermind that Thai people can legally own land in almost any other country in the world.... Totally agree with you. Maybe we should start a movement to have our home countries impose the same restrictions on Thais living in them as they do on us 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Damrongsak said: Someone is looking out for the farangs. If things go wrong, it's a whole lot harder to find a Thai engineer on the lam than a farang. Let's put it this way, it's a wonderful opportunity to set in motion the long-standing plan, that if something goes wrong, like if a building collapses, you will always have a farang around to blame! Edited June 1, 2018 by AlQaholic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabradelmar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said: I'm normally good at spotting sarcasm, but I'll be honest, you got me beat... Are you serious ??? Yes. I would not mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccarty Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 This is just talk. they have no intention of letting foreigners do any of these jobs. Brick laying maybe but will need to find a way around the minimum wage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobz Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, observer90210 said: Why not be fair and just by allowing foreigners to own one plot of land on which they would like to live their retirement ? They don't want foreign money raising the price of land. Is 30 year lease not long enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, webfact said: The Council of Engineers has criticised the plan. The civil-engineer occupation should remain reserved for Thais because it involves people’s safety, they said. Are there any employees of ItalThai in the Council? If so, please Fwd this important update to them as a gentle reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, NetJunkie said: Guessing you actually meant the The US-Thai Amity Treaty - but you are right, here is a little bit of the treaty; " The Thailand Treaty of Amity prohibits American investors from engaging in the following reserved activities: Communications Transportation; Fiduciary functions Banking involving depository functions; Land Ownership, Exploitation of land or Other natural resources; and Domestic trade in indigenous agricultural products." https://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/US-Thai Amity.php Somewhat of a moot point as the treaty was not renewed after 2005. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2here Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, imjmn said: Allowing foreigners to work in those positions 'reserved' for Thai citizens would bring more knowledge and different practices into the Thai industry and make them more competitive on the world stage. MHO. MJ I agree.. I do think that as should be the case with all nations - that labour rules should give first “opportunity” to any national/citizen of that country over a non-citizen — but if after such chance is given to all qualified nationals, IF there is still a shortage of required talent, then I think opening it up to non-citizens is beneficial and I agree that by doing so, you also tend to get the benefits of a wider range of work styles and product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, LennyW said: Somewhat of a moot point as the treaty was not renewed after 2005. OK, I stand corrected. It was almost twenty years ago regarding the instance I mentioned earlier. I wonder if the US might eventually take some retaliatory measures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebell Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, webfact said: The civil-engineer occupation should remain reserved for Thais because it involves people’s safety, In the same way that RTP are involved in road safety? Farang accountants will never happen - they are too honest; they would find out about corruption schemes in days instead of the years it takes Thai accountants. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebluewater Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, LennyW said: Somewhat of a moot point as the treaty was not renewed after 2005. The treaty elapsed in 2005 and there is no formal extension because that would be in conflict with most favored nation rules by the World Trade Organization (WTO). However, in case of policy changes, old structures are grandfathered. As of today, it is still possible to utilize the Thai U.S. Treaty of Amity to set-up new “treaty companies”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, Cabradelmar said: Yes. I would not mind If you're on a retirement visa, you have finished working. You are retired. Don't think they will be opening up jobs for retired expats ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacherduck Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 So what are the 11 "reserved occupations"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manhood Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Withour well educated and trained and experianced foreigners in special fields in Thailand everything would colapse!!!!!!!! They close their eyes on the badly educated engineers and and and.... Houses can be only build by 3 to 3 meter poles.....otherwise no idea how a building can stand up in another way of constructing.....so even ever they needed foreigners to work for Thailand!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post edwinchester Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, mok199 said: my dreams of becoming a tuk tuk driver are shattered.!!! It's over rated so don't feel too bad. Motorcycle taxis are where it's at, girls like the danger and the uniform. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetJunkie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, LennyW said: Somewhat of a moot point as the treaty was not renewed after 2005. But the new bi-lateral free trade agreement protects the rights as were under the previous treaty, and therefore presumably the prohibited items too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M71 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 hours ago, bluesofa said: As long as you're an American you can do that. I'm a Khazarian mafia member of the US senate - will that do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 What exactly are the credentials of the Council of Engineers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabradelmar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said: If you're on a retirement visa, you have finished working. You are retired. Don't think they will be opening up jobs for retired expats ? True. My personal interest to have a little more walking around money aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 hours ago, observer90210 said: Why not be fair and just by allowing foreigners to own one plot of land on which they would like to live their retirement ? It's not half or one rai of land in samui or Pattaya, it's the agricultural land they are worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deli Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, bluesofa said: It shows someone has a sense of humour. No, that's the biggest joke ever. Edited June 1, 2018 by Deli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Allowing foreigners to practice massage in Thailand, big mistake. In most of the western countries massage parlours are just fronts for brothels. It wouldn`t be long before criminal western organisations start opening brothels under the guise of massage parlours and massage services, which to a degree the Thais are doing now, but not on the scale as operated presently in western countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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