rooster59 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Trump orders Energy Department to help ailing coal, nuclear plants U.S. President Donald Trump participates in the U.S. Coast Guard Change-of-Command ceremony at U.S. Coast Guard Headquarters in Washington, U.S., June 1, 2018. REUTERS/Leah Millis WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday directed Energy Secretary Rick Perry to take emergency steps to keep at-risk coal and nuclear plants running, the White House announced. Under the directive, Perry would require grid operators to buy electricity from ailing nuclear and coal-fired power plants to keep them from being shuttered. "Unfortunately, impending retirements of fuel-secure power facilities are leading to a rapid depletion of a critical part of our nation's energy mix, and impacting the resilience of our power grid," White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said in a statement. -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emster23 Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Such a brilliant businessman, this Trump fellow. I hear he also wants to up orders of buggy whips and hitching rails 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Becker Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Arnold Schwarzenegger tweeted this in response: “I eagerly await the administration’s regulations protecting pagers, fax machines, and Blockbuster.” Game, set, match. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Just when you think "trump" has finally hit bottom, he goes even lower. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 How does one buy energy from excess capacity generation sources? The so-called grid operators are electric utilities who deliver electricity to their customers. Buying electrical power is not like buying coal for a boiler or wood for the fireplace. You can't reasonably stockpile electrical energy (yes I know about batteries but such options drive the cost of energy higher) like you can wood or coal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post notmyself Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: Just when you think "trump" has finally hit bottom, he goes even lower. I gave up considering that there may be a bottom to Trump's stupidity after Charlottesville last year JT. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cycolista Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 19th century energy for a 21st economy. Brilliant strategy. ? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyself Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I could be argued that forcing the issue is the only way of appeasing his base whom he promised more coal job to though I'm not sure any action is actually needed because most will believe he has done if he just says he has. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 5 hours ago, rooster59 said: U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday directed Energy Secretary Rick Perry to take emergency steps to keep at-risk coal and nuclear plants running, Good job, President Trump, good job. Nuclear is the only way to reduce CO2 pollution. Windmills and solar just isn't going to provide enough energy for all the toys and electric cars the trendies use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyself Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said: Good job, President Trump, good job. Nuclear is the only way to reduce CO2 pollution. Windmills and solar just isn't going to provide enough energy for all the toys and electric cars the trendies use. Renewable energy was the biggest growth sector in the U.S. economy as I remember and then Trump imposed a tariff on Chinese made solar cells and withdrew support for the sector as a whole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 How obvious is it that unlike developing and economically progressive countries who need solve the issue of supply of electrical energy that the ailing USA needs to encourage / demand/ order consumption is a symptom of what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estrada Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 One reason the US is not a democracy is because people like Robert E. Murray, a long time Trump supporter, donated $300,000 to Trump's inauguration in return for the President implementing the Coal Baron's wish list to support coal against renewables and clean energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Good job, President Trump, good job. Nuclear is the only way to reduce CO2 pollution. Windmills and solar just isn't going to provide enough energy for all the toys and electric cars the trendies use. And coal fired plants? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Half-expecting 19th century inventor Leon Smuk to develop a self-driving coal-fired car, or a coal-fired rocket, or everyone to start heating their homes with coal. Future to the back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: a symptom of what? Fake news and pandering to the "swamp" (ie., political donors). As per the US government's report Annual Energy Outlook 2018 issued February 6, 2018, there is no projected shortfall for electrical energy capacity but rather overcapacity and specifically from coal-fired plants. In fact it's projected that by 2020 the US will become a net energy exporter. https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/ Electric utilities are not going to buy power that they can't justify. As government licensed monopolies they have a fiduciary responsibility to supply cost effective energy to its ratepayers. Purchase of unusable capacity cannot be passed through to the ratepayers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Becker said: And coal fired plants? I deliberately didn't mention coal plants, but I believe scrubbers eliminate/ reduce CO2 output. The ideal would be to build enough nuclear plants to allow coal fired plants to close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 19 hours ago, Srikcir said: How does one buy energy from excess capacity generation sources? The so-called grid operators are electric utilities who deliver electricity to their customers. Buying electrical power is not like buying coal for a boiler or wood for the fireplace. You can't reasonably stockpile electrical energy (yes I know about batteries but such options drive the cost of energy higher) like you can wood or coal. They can't, but wait it gets worse. The cost of generating electricity from dirty coal and nuclear reactors is significantly more than from traditional hydro electric sources. It is much cheaper for the USA to purchase electricity from Canada when needed. Mind you with the looming trade war, maybe Trump is on to something because Canada may slap tariffs on energy exports for its national security. Too bad this doesn't come in the winter or a heat wave. Americans will either freeze or cook because they won';'t be able to afford the large increased cost of electricity ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I deliberately didn't mention coal plants, but I believe scrubbers eliminate/ reduce CO2 output. The ideal would be to build enough nuclear plants to allow coal fired plants to close. Can they bury the nuclear waste in your backyard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, geriatrickid said: Can they bury the nuclear waste in your backyard? The shame of the nuclear industry is that they will not pay to construct proper waste disposal facilities. That however, does not say that it is not possible to store it safely. The companies should be required to pay for such, though the US government should contribute as they use the industry to obtain material for nuclear weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 When will Trump be petitioning us to buy Betamax VCRs to allow Sony to 'retain' jobs? Jared and Ivanka will be investing in a new buggy-whip factory soon. I think most coal in the U.S. is now mined in Wyoming and Montana, with massive, highly-automated systems requiring very few actual workers. No clue why Trump has such a soft-spot for coal? I guess he sense it resonates with his "base" at rallies so it must be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: The shame of the nuclear industry is that they will not pay to construct proper waste disposal facilities. That however, does not say that it is not possible to store it safely. The companies should be required to pay for such, though the US government should contribute as they use the industry to obtain material for nuclear weapons. There is the government's Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository plan in Nevada. President Trump asked Congress to approve $120 million in spending to restart licensing activity at the Yucca Mountain repository and fund an interim storage program. That would allow development at the remote site. On the other hand the budget proposal puts Energy Secretary Rick Perry in a tough spot. While serving as governor of Texas, he said Nevadans shouldn't be forced to house the country's nuclear waste in their state if they don't want to. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/the-yucca-mountain-nuclear-waste-dump-a-political-hot-potato-is-back.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Srikcir said: There is the government's Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository plan in Nevada. President Trump asked Congress to approve $120 million in spending to restart licensing activity at the Yucca Mountain repository and fund an interim storage program. That would allow development at the remote site. On the other hand the budget proposal puts Energy Secretary Rick Perry in a tough spot. While serving as governor of Texas, he said Nevadans shouldn't be forced to house the country's nuclear waste in their state if they don't want to. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/the-yucca-mountain-nuclear-waste-dump-a-political-hot-potato-is-back.html Sounds like a lot of NIMBYism going on. If the storage facility is properly designed and run it would be impossible for a nuclear explosion to occur, and same goes for transportation of the waste causing contamination. It has to go somewhere. I would suggest requiring the people that run the facility to live next door to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 10 hours ago, Srikcir said: Fake news and pandering to the "swamp" (ie., political donors). As per the US government's report Annual Energy Outlook 2018 issued February 6, 2018, there is no projected shortfall for electrical energy capacity but rather overcapacity and specifically from coal-fired plants. In fact it's projected that by 2020 the US will become a net energy exporter. https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/ Electric utilities are not going to buy power that they can't justify. As government licensed monopolies they have a fiduciary responsibility to supply cost effective energy to its ratepayers. Purchase of unusable capacity cannot be passed through to the ratepayers. All that indicates is a potential for a silver lining in the clouds . No gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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