Denied entry Immigration Act 2, 12 (2)

[lkv]

3 hours ago, JackThompson said:

Glad to hear a less-painful option is available, for the sake of those it saves from a worse fate, but I would still try to avoid the conundrum.  If asked directly for 1000-Baht to get in, that would be one thing - but sticking money in a passport and hoping the IO is "on the take" is not something I would want to try. 

 

Let me rephrase.

 

If grilled extensively, when it's clear you are not getting in any other way: "is there any other way we can solve this situation"

 

Or as @ukrules is saying there.

 

Only if really really needed.

 

These are limited cases anyway, as you said it will not likely go there, but tell you what. Say I'm coming from Indonesia. I'd rather do that as a last resort than being sent back to Indonesia, for then Indonesia to not allow me in and keep me in transit until they send me to my home country. For example.

 

Just saying.

 

[scubascuba3]

On an Emirates flight from UK-Dubai-Bangkok, would immigration send you back to Dubai only?

 

 

[Wang Lalker]

emirates flies at least daily into phnom penh often cheaper than to bkk check it and see
as does qatar

[JackThompson]

On 6/8/2018 at 8:12 PM, lkv said:

Let me rephrase.

 

If grilled extensively, when it's clear you are not getting in any other way: "is there any other way we can solve this situation"

 

Or as @ukrules is saying there.

 

Only if really really needed.

 

These are limited cases anyway, as you said it will not likely go there, but tell you what. Say I'm coming from Indonesia. I'd rather do that as a last resort than being sent back to Indonesia, for then Indonesia to not allow me in and keep me in transit until they send me to my home country. For example.

  

Just saying.

 

I agree.  But if they have already called over supervisors, which seems to happen quickly in these cases, I'm not sure how successful this would be in practice.  I cannot blame anyone for trying, given the system is corrupt to the top.  There is not much left to lose, when you knowingly walked into a dangerous place (Bangkok airport-immigration), where you know there is no legal-standard to rely on.

[lkv]

6 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

I agree.  But if they have already called over supervisors, which seems to happen quickly in these cases, I'm not sure how successful this would be in practice.  I cannot blame anyone for trying, given the system is corrupt to the top.  There is not much left to lose, when you knowingly walked into a dangerous place (Bangkok airport-immigration), where you know there is no legal-standard to rely on.

Now you are calling Bangkok airport immigration a dangerous place to walk in.

 

On that logic, the whole of Thailand is.

 

There is not too much rule of law here, in case you haven't noticed ?

[JackThompson]

6 hours ago, lkv said:

Now you are calling Bangkok airport immigration a dangerous place to walk in.

On that logic, the whole of Thailand is.

There is not too much rule of law here, in case you haven't noticed ?

Having lived in nations near the bottom of the global "safe" list (in Latin America), I would say that the streets in Thailand are fairly safe (even compared to many Western cities), the banks are reliable, etc.  The cops are highly unlikely to bother you, unless you are driving drunk or otherwise causing a problem (again, contrast this to some Western nations).

When I was here as a tourist, for most of several years, the only thing I had to fear was a rogue-IO making up non-existent rules when I entered the country.  I broke no laws, followed the written regulations, and should have had nothing to fear.  The only place that a problem was likely to occur, was flying into a Bangkok airport (or a few others), or entering the country at the Poipet/Aranyaprathet border-crossing.  For this reason, I avoided those places.  The same is still true, today.

 

I am not saying everyone should do this - only that this made my life much closer to "worry-free" - and if that is one's goal, this simple formula is the solution.

[BuckBee]

Bangkok airports been unfriendly to visa exempts history for some time now, even a few setv entries could get you questioned.

They best avoided when can as exact rules and consistency changes like the wind so even 2 people very identical in details  with more than adequate funds visiting for leisure tourism likely get different outcome .

Due to fact officers have discretion in the rules on letting you in they can and do refuse whoever they like regardless of funds etc, you never going tell them how do the job or no legal codes for refusal as here in thailand rules very flexible, I seen guys pretty much told f00k off at land borders & IO's refuse talk with them.

In these scenarios like OP you only likely get in if they get to like you and feel your friendly and not taking advantage or in true thai style taking a special services payment ? . A better visa category requiring thorough documents and scrutiny only issued from country of residence for those with funds, condos etc wanting longer periods of leisure/holiday stay would help filter the good guys from the bad guys more smoothly .

[JackThompson]

53 minutes ago, BuckBee said:

...requiring thorough documents and scrutiny only issued from country of residence ...

The Non-OA for retirees and the METV require this.  The documents could be submitted electronically - no reason to put one's body in a tube and "ship yourself" across the planet to deliver paperwork. 

For example, to get an METV or Non-OA in Laos (as a non-Lao resident), there might be a delay of a few days, while your paperwork is transmitted from that consulate to the Thai consulate in your country, which could verify any national-specific papers (bank-statements from a home-country, for example).  They could charge a fee for this.  Upon receiving confirmation all is on the level, the visa is issued.  I can see no logical reason this would not work.

[scubascuba3]

On my recent 29 May Bangkok exit the IO put the exit stamp next to admitted until stamp 16 May rather than two pages later which said 13 Jun. Made me wonder if he didn't see the 13 Jun stamp and just let me off the potential overstay. Is that possible?

[JackThompson]

7 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Made me wonder if he didn't see the 13 Jun stamp and just let me off the potential overstay. Is that possible?

Highly unlikely.  For even one day of overstay, you would get a special-stamp in your passport, even if the fine were waived.  As to where they stamp passports, it is seemingly random sometimes.

[BritTim]

12 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

On my recent 29 May Bangkok exit the IO put the exit stamp next to admitted until stamp 16 May rather than two pages later which said 13 Jun. Made me wonder if he didn't see the 13 Jun stamp and just let me off the potential overstay. Is that possible?

No. The check for overstay was done immediately you went to the desk. Later, after entering everything into the computer, the official looked for a good place to put your exit stamp, and chose the second best location (probably a small error, but nothing serious).

[BuckBee]

If low on pages IO's often use spaces on older pages , caused me issues once with exit stamp from singapore that took ages to find .

[scubascuba3]

If low on pages IO's often use spaces on older pages , caused me issues once with exit stamp from singapore that took ages to find .

I've got a passport with extra pages and there were loads left. Maybe in my case he was saving paper but he should have stamped by the valid until Jun date not the out of date May stamp. He did look slightly flustered