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Rainbow Warrior arrives in Phuket with a clear message

The Phuket News

 

The ’Rainbow Warrior’ at the Phuket Deep Sea Port earlier today (June 9). Photo: Greenpeace
 

PHUKET: The Greenpeace flagship ‘Rainbow Warrior’ has arrived at the Phuket Deep Sea Port, where she will remain until Tuesday, with free tours on board the ship and a series of fun events and serious talks about critical issues affecting the environment in Thailand.
 

With a banner emblazoned “Break Free From Coal” hoisted between two masts, the ship will be the centre of activities for the next few days, with open tours of the boat from 9am to 5pm tomorrow (June 10).

 

At 4:30pm today will be a forum titled “Conservation of Marine Biodiversity in Phuket as a World Tourism City” that will continue until 6pm. Key panellists include Marine Biologist Dr Nalinee Thongtham from the Phuket Marine Biological Centre; Dr Arpa Wangkiat from Rangsit University; Phuket Civic Group member Chote Tangvinit; Ao Kung Bay Conservation Group leader Pradit Puangket and Phuket environmental activist Rattanaporn Jangjaidee.

Full story: https://www.thephuketnews.com/rainbow-warrior-arrives-in-phuket-with-a-clear-message-67446.php#cEQTyeH7o2TF5PKt.97

 

 

-- © Copyright Phuket News 2018-06-09

 

[madmitch]

They should take a visit
to Karon Beach which currently looks like this

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[ChrisY1]

Ah....so the Rainbow Warrior is the reason for the latest announcement that Thailand'  will reduce plastic use by 50% in 9 years........!

Out to impress Greenpeace...!

The above tourist beach shows the willingness of Thais to keep places clean!

Edited June 10, 2018 by ChrisY1

[lionsincity]

[Happyman58]

Quite honestly The Rainbow Warrior has lost its appeal to me Was ok years ago I guess Just out of curiosity who finances the Rainbow Warrior?

[Happyman58]

16 hours ago, madmitch said:

They should take a visit
to Karon Beach which currently looks like this

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Yeah that is bad.  See sign No swimming wonder why? Really turns on the tourists you think?

[roquefort]

51 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Quite honestly The Rainbow Warrior has lost its appeal to me Was ok years ago I guess Just out of curiosity who finances the Rainbow Warrior?

The Rainbow Warrior is the Greenpeace flagship (as the article says). Greenpeace is an NGO funded by donations from its supporters. It doesn't accept any corporate or government funding.

 

Not sure why you think it was ok years ago but not now. Have the problems of pollution, climate change, overfishing etc. which Greenpeace campaigns about got better or worse in that time?

[khunPer]

20 hours ago, madmitch said:

They should take a visit
to Karon Beach which currently looks like this

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Is Phuket having rainy monsoon-season now..?
This is what beaches normally looks like during rainy monsoon season, lots of debris and garbage comes out with rivers and are washed up on beaches.

[madmitch]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Is Phuket having rainy monsoon-season now..?
This is what beaches normally looks like during rainy monsoon season, lots of debris and garbage comes out with rivers and are washed up on beaches.

Yes, but this is the point. There is so much rubbish in the sea. The amount of plastic is disgusting: bottles, oil containers, bags, hundreds of flip-flops and a general assortment of plastic waste. It's not all from Thailand as many of the plastic bottles had labels in Malay.

 

I have never seen Karon Beach quite as bad as this. On Wednesday it was fine, by Friday it was like this.

[nervona81732]

Happyman, you don't want to know who funds them. Not who you think. You would be surprised. I as an budding Marine Biologist/oceanographer ( till called to the Vietnam War ( excuse me the American War ), I was all for the mission of Green Peace. But now I'm aware who they are saving the planet for. Not us. Georgia Guide Stones USA states in 5-8 international languages that their mission is the reduction of the human population to maintain 500,000 people in perpetual balance. Heard that before. NOT. Where is the rest of the 8 billion going to go do you think. 

[Kinnock]

5 hours ago, roquefort said:

The Rainbow Warrior is the Greenpeace flagship (as the article says). Greenpeace is an NGO funded by donations from its supporters. It doesn't accept any corporate or government funding.

 

Not sure why you think it was ok years ago but not now. Have the problems of pollution, climate change, overfishing etc. which Greenpeace campaigns about got better or worse in that time?

I've been a Greenpeace supporter for years, but may cancel the monthly payment as I don't see any positive results, and the planet looks to be screwed.

 

[khunPer]

4 hours ago, madmitch said:

Yes, but this is the point. There is so much rubbish in the sea. The amount of plastic is disgusting: bottles, oil containers, bags, hundreds of flip-flops and a general assortment of plastic waste. It's not all from Thailand as many of the plastic bottles had labels in Malay.

 

I have never seen Karon Beach quite as bad as this. On Wednesday it was fine, by Friday it was like this.

Thanks for your reply.

 

According to science up to 90% of all plastic pollution in sea come from rivers, and current can move garbage long way – the tsunami in Japan showed that – so not surprising if some plastic bottles are labelled in Malay, only about 200 miles (300 km) away.

 

I live by the beach on an island at the opposite side (Samui) – we however have our monsoon in November-December – and our beach looks similar awful almost every year; some time worse than your photo. Over the years I have plenty of photos with assorted debris and waste; and also stuff the monsoon storm itself grab on it's way, like debris from some beach-front restaurants. We have a couple of rivers running out, and it's very clear that a lots of wood-debris and garbage come together with the river water, Shortly after the monsoon-season ends, we clean the beach so it again looks normal, like the usual beautiful dreaming Bounty-style-coconut-palm-beach ready for yet another season...?

[xylophone]

Hope the French don't know about it arriving here!!!!!

[Kieran00001]

12 hours ago, nervona81732 said:

Happyman, you don't want to know who funds them. Not who you think. You would be surprised. I as an budding Marine Biologist/oceanographer ( till called to the Vietnam War ( excuse me the American War ), I was all for the mission of Green Peace. But now I'm aware who they are saving the planet for. Not us. Georgia Guide Stones USA states in 5-8 international languages that their mission is the reduction of the human population to maintain 500,000 people in perpetual balance. Heard that before. NOT. Where is the rest of the 8 billion going to go do you think. 

 

500,000?  5-8 languages?  It says 500 million and it is written in 8 modern languages and 4 ancient languages.  The stone appeared around the time of the Cold War, most people see it as a message to a future surviving race post an apocalypse, and uses the assumption that the population would already have been reduced to below 500 million.  Not many have seen it as a call for genocide, basically because it says "maintain population below 500 million" rather than reduce the population to 500 million.

 

And besides, what on earth has that silly stone got to do with Greenpeace?

[Kieran00001]

12 hours ago, Kinnock said:

I've been a Greenpeace supporter for years, but may cancel the monthly payment as I don't see any positive results, and the planet looks to be screwed.

 

 

In the UK, the past decade of Greenpeace campaigning have seen a reduction in coal power from over 100% of our needs, the rest being exported, to 30% of our needs, at the same time they have achieved an increase in renewable energy production from 25% to over 80%.

 

They have made so many positive changes I can't list them all here, but for the last the decade you could try looking up John West changing their policies, the UK banning micro-beads, Scotland banning fracking, krill fishing stopped in Antarctica, the establishment of an ocean sanctuary in Antarctica and plastic bans in 6 countries.

[Cadbury]

21 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

In the UK, the past decade of Greenpeace campaigning have seen a reduction in coal power from over 100% of our needs, the rest being exported, to 30% of our needs, at the same time they have achieved an increase in renewable energy production from 25% to over 80%.

 

They have made so many positive changes I can't list them all here, but for the last the decade you could try looking up John West changing their policies, the UK banning micro-beads, Scotland banning fracking, krill fishing stopped in Antarctica, the establishment of an ocean sanctuary in Antarctica and plastic bans in 6 countries.

An impressive list of "wins" but I feel they have wasted their time coming to Thailand. PM Prayut has his heart set on a coal fired power station. Without it his EEC Corridor will never come to fruition.

[Kinnock]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

In the UK, the past decade of Greenpeace campaigning have seen a reduction in coal power from over 100% of our needs, the rest being exported, to 30% of our needs, at the same time they have achieved an increase in renewable energy production from 25% to over 80%.

 

They have made so many positive changes I can't list them all here, but for the last the decade you could try looking up John West changing their policies, the UK banning micro-beads, Scotland banning fracking, krill fishing stopped in Antarctica, the establishment of an ocean sanctuary in Antarctica and plastic bans in 6 countries.

Worthy campaign successes in UK - but the UK is a tiny part of the problem.  If they have no influence in China, India or US, then they have no significant influence on the issues facing the planet.  I started to support Greenpeace when I was in the UK - but now I don't live their anymore - and I now know that there's a lot of planet outside of London.

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Worthy campaign successes in UK - but the UK is a tiny part of the problem.  If they have no influence in China, India or US, then they have no significant influence on the issues facing the planet.  I started to support Greenpeace when I was in the UK - but now I don't live their anymore - and I now know that there's a lot of planet outside of London.

 

Are you sure the UK is just a tiny part of the problem?

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2014/01/17/uk-has-made-largest-contribution-to-global-warming-says-study/

[Kinnock]

4 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Are you sure the UK is just a tiny part of the problem?

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2014/01/17/uk-has-made-largest-contribution-to-global-warming-says-study/

Yes.   The key part of this report is the statement; "based on size of population".  So China, India, US, Indonesia etc will all have a much greater impact on the planet than the UK with it's comparatively tiny population.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Yes.   The key part of this report is the statement; "based on size of population".  So China, India, US, Indonesia etc will all have a much greater impact on the planet than the UK with it's comparatively tiny population.

 

But each British person has a greater responsibility than each Chinese person, and as Greenpeace are largely about changing public opinion, they are well placed in the UK.

[easton]

Jeff Gordan went to Thailand? 

[NamKangMan]

On 6/11/2018 at 6:57 PM, Kieran00001 said:

 

But each British person has a greater responsibility than each Chinese person, and as Greenpeace are largely about changing public opinion, they are well placed in the UK.

 

"But each British person has a greater responsibility than each Chinese person" - don't we all share the same responsibility to look after the planet that sustains ALL life on earth????

[Kieran00001]

8 hours ago, NamKangMan said:

 

"But each British person has a greater responsibility than each Chinese person" - don't we all share the same responsibility to look after the planet that sustains ALL life on earth????

 

Did you bother to read the preceding posts?  As each British person pollutes far more than each Chinese person, China may have an all round greater responsibility as a country however each British person has a greater responsibility as an individual.  I am not saying that we are not all responsible for some pollution, I am saying that British individuals are responsible for more than individual Chinese people, therefor they have a greater responsibility. 

[NamKangMan]

11 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Did you bother to read the preceding posts?  As each British person pollutes far more than each Chinese person, China may have an all round greater responsibility as a country however each British person has a greater responsibility as an individual.  I am not saying that we are not all responsible for some pollution, I am saying that British individuals are responsible for more than individual Chinese people, therefor they have a greater responsibility. 

 

"however each British person has a greater responsibility as an individual" - no, as "individuals" we all share THE SAME AMOUNT of responsibility.

 

As far as our respective countries are concerned, regardless of population and development, our various Governments have a responsibility to legislate and enforce laws. 

[Kieran00001]

18 minutes ago, NamKangMan said:

 

"however each British person has a greater responsibility as an individual" - no, as "individuals" we all share THE SAME AMOUNT of responsibility.

 

As far as our respective countries are concerned, regardless of population and development, our various Governments have a responsibility to legislate and enforce laws. 

 

Of course we don't all have the same responsibility, how can you hold a shepherd in Tibet responsible for the pollution someone in Beijing creates?

[observer90210]

I am convinced that people would be more responsible with thrash disposal if there were more then sufficient trash collectors all over towns and metros and if proper trash treatment plants are constructed all over the country (and not open air trash dumps).

 

Efficient public cleaning done on a regular daily basis also helps to make people responsable to maintain their areas clean.

[Hank Gunn]

 

 

[NamKangMan]

On 7/3/2018 at 12:44 AM, Kieran00001 said:

 

Of course we don't all have the same responsibility, how can you hold a shepherd in Tibet responsible for the pollution someone in Beijing creates?

 

There is approximately 6 billion people living on the planet.  The responsibility for the planet rests upon ALL humanity. 

 

Your use of the word "responsibility" infers you are talking are talking about the past, whereas, my use of the word "responsibility" is in relation to the future.  Eg. does that shepherd in Tibet vote for a political party? 

 

Now, on the subject of livestock, emissions, global warming and "responsibility."  Livestock emissions, global, are quite significant, so, yes, the shpherd in Tibet also shares "responsibility."  

 

Here's a random article. 

 

Extract:  "Total emissions from global livestock: 7.1 Gigatonnes of Co2-equiv per year, representing 14.5 percent of all anthropogenic GHG emissions."

 

http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/197623/icode/

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, NamKangMan said:

There is approximately 6 billion people living on the planet.  The responsibility for the planet rests upon ALL humanity. 

Your use of the word "responsibility" infers you are talking are talking about the past, whereas, my use of the word "responsibility" is in relation to the future.  Eg. does that shepherd in Tibet vote for a political party? 

Now, on the subject of livestock, emissions, global warming and "responsibility."  Livestock emissions, global, are quite significant, so, yes, the shpherd in Tibet also shares "responsibility."  

Here's a random article. 

Extract:  "Total emissions from global livestock: 7.1 Gigatonnes of Co2-equiv per year, representing 14.5 percent of all anthropogenic GHG emissions."

http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/197623/icode/

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Well, there's a lot more Chinese and Indians than anyone else, so go and convince them first, then come back and talk to me.

OK?

[NamKangMan]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Well, there's a lot more Chinese and Indians than anyone else, so go and convince them first, then come back and talk to me.

OK?

 

Are you saying only "westerners" should be allowed access to electricity, motor transport, and animal farms???? 

 

Edited July 13, 2018 by NamKangMan