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3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Weird....  I don't know why or how this happened. But this morning, given all the comments above, I went into the official YT app on my MiBox and signed out of the U.S. account it had been using (the one that was giving me 6 home screen channel choices after the Oreo update), and then also cleared the app's cache.

 

Then signed back into the same U.S. YT account that I'd been using before, and then went to check again the home screen channels item under Settings for the YT app. And now it's showing me only two home screen channels available -- Recommended and Subscriptions. And all of the other dorky 6 channels it had been showing me before have vanished. Which, is perfectly fine by me!

 

 

Now you are just like us common folks....with two or three YT channels.  I only had two both on the Mi and Shield when my YT location setting was Thailand....but when I changed it to the U.S. while logged onto YT via my computer browser it changed to three channels on the Shield and Mi boxes.   Instead of Recommend and Trending I now got Recommend, Trending, and Subscriptions.  I figure the number of channels offered is a  location/setting thing in a person's YT account which I'm not going to try to hard (if any) to figure out based on how I use YT in a random way.

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2 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Now you are just like us common folks....with two or three YT channels.

 

Well, actually right now, I have NONE... Because after playing around some, I found I liked using the alternate TV Launcher app as my default MiBox launcher and home screen, as I described above by using the Home app in the new Oreo version to set an alternate launcher.

 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.awe.dev.pro.tv

 

So, gone is Oreo's default single row of favorite apps and the home screen app-based Channels that I found no reason to use, and those are replaced by screens and app collections entirely of my own making and arrangement, with my own custom labels, and my own choices of whether I want my app tiles to be displayed in 3 or 4 or 5 items across, etc etc.  As follows:

 

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I don't think I've ever had an experience quite like this before. I probably first bought my MiBox several years ago, and have only used it periodically and sparingly thru the past years. Every now and again, I'd TRY to get it to work and be configured the way I wanted it, and with each attempt, I'd get a little closer, but still never quite tick off all the boxes for the MiBox to become my main streaming device at home.

 

Until now, believe it or not, several years post purchase, I finally feel like I've crossed the finish line and my MiBox has become a streaming device I can use instead of, and in place of, all others, including Amazon Fire devices and Roku. I don't think the recent Oreo update materially changed things for me, other than reminding me that perhaps the future of the MiBox isn't as dead as I had thought it might be, and also persuading me lately to give yet another try at making the MiBox my own.

 

So what finally turned the trick for me? Several things in combination:

 

--the TV Launcher interface listed above finally gave me a fully customizable interface that I quite like and can mold and shape to my preferences, with app categories of my choosing, and arranged the way I like. And an odd thing I found I really liked with it, is its built-in ability that allows you to pretty easily make and create custom UI tiles for your apps or to import them from elsewhere, which can really make your screen visuals sparkle. And Oreo does seem to make it easier than MM did before to easily designate an alternate launcher program that will run automatically at startup. Along with, I shouldn't forget, the TV Repo app that allows you to turn any regular Android apps and even just web addresses into Leanback tiles that can launch both of those.

 

--One of the things that always held me back before was the very limited content in the formal Android TV app store. Sideloading and other app stores provided some relief from that. But lately I found a different alternative called the YalpStore on GitHub, which has as one of its main features the ability to have your MiBox masequerade as any number of other Android devices. So basically, you set your MiBox in the YalpStore app to be a Samsung Galaxy S6 or a Tab 10 in or whatever, and then you can download all compatible apps for that, or whatever device you choose, thru the YalpStore directly from the Google Play Store and run on your MiBox.  Bingo!!! (though some of those apps may still require supplemental use of a mouse or similar device).

 

--Solving the Amazon problem. One of the things that had always held me back was the lack of both Amazon Prime Video and also the Amazon Prime Music app on the MiBox. That wasn't an easy nut to crack, but lately with some help, I first found an app version of the APV app that once sideloaded installs and works 100% on the MiBox. And then more recently, even found a version of the Amazon Music app that works partly, but the big bonus with the latest AM app is, it now includes Alexa voice support. So while it doesn't do everything, one thing it does do is, once opened, respond to Alexa voice commands via my MiBox voice remote to play content available in my Amazon Music account, as in, "Alexa, play Beach Boys music."  Can do similar in Google Music, I know, but I always wanted the same for my Amazon stuff.

 

--The final piece of the recent upgrades was the discovery thru the YalpStore of a free PlayStore app that really seems to work well both as a podcast player a la ITunes as well as a internet radio station player a la TuneIn. ITunes of course isn't available on the MiBox, and the Android TV TuneIn app is horrible. So finally I found Podcast Addict, which is free via the Google Play Store and calls itself the number 1 podcast app for Android. Nice interface, seems to work well, supports favorites for both internet radio and podcasts, and probably will have me ignoring TuneIn from now on on the MiBox platform.

 

Put all those things and a few others today, and I finally feel like I can use the MiBox full-time and not feel I'm missing anything or frustrated that it can't do the things I want it to do. 

 

The only thing I'd add is, it's still a shame that so much of what I listed above has to be done outside of the formal Android TV app store by various workarounds, sideloading, etc etc.  The Android TV platform doesn't make it particularly easy, but at least, it is ultimately accomplishable.

 

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Kind of interesting, I was watching a YouTube video on a presentation from the most recent Google IO earlier this year on what's going on (and ahead) with Android TV.  The video runs a bit long at nearly 35 mins, and has some time spent talking about coding things for developers, which are pretty easy to skip/FF over.

 

 

But more interesting and important, it has some discussion about some various things that Google apparently is planning to bring to Android TV with Android P (as opposed to the latest just released to ATV Oreo). And a lot of the things the guy is talking about have to do with improving the user experience, which they certainly acknowledge needs a lot of improving.

 

Some of the things they call out as being planned for Android P for Android TV include:

--a much more streamlined and guided initial device setup process.

--ATV app installation guided by your Android phone where your phone will display a list of apps for the TV, and you can just tick off the apps you want to install on your ATV, and they will be installed.

--and some kind of user ID / password remembering/auto fill in feature, so you don't have to manually tap/type with the remote control and its keyboard every time you need to log-in to some app or service, which would be great.

 

Obvious question, of course, is will the current universe of MiBox and the Shield TV devices get the future firmware update to Android P?  That's why I was trying to confirm earlier if the Oreo update to the MiBox incorporated Google's Project Treble. As it seemed to me possible that having Treble would increase the likelihood of these TVs getting the next major ATV firmware update.  Time will tell.

 

 

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I had a Mix Box with the Marshmallow firmware but passed it on because of a few things I didn't like.  The main one being the inability to change the default launcher.  This now seems to be possible, right?

 

Also, the AIS Play app ( the one on the full Play Store, not the Playbox one) would load and let me enter the OTP password to log in and then crash out. This was a deal breaker for me,  Has anyone tried to sideload on on the new firmware and got it working?

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Re the default launcher, in my MiBox with the new Oreo update installed.....

 

There's an app in the Apps list labeled as Home -- which is different than the Home Screen item in the Settings menu.

 

After the Oreo update, when I ran the Home app for the first time, it brought up an onscreen menu that gave me the choice of choosing the default ATV launcher or another one I already had installed on my system, TV Launcher.  Once I selected TV Launcher in that menu, it then became the default launcher for my device and I never see the default MiBox launcher anymore.

 

But I have played around with the Home app config. Once you make a launcher choice via the Home app, there's no way AFAIK by running the app to go back in and change that or get the launcher selection menu to reappear. After the initial choice, selecting the Home app again just takes you to the home page for your chosen launcher.

 

HOWEVER, you can reset and rechoose your launcher by going into the device settings menu, Apps section, and then clearing the Data and Cache info for the Home app. Once you do that, and then run the Home app again, it will once more show the default launcher selection menu the next time you run the Home app.

 

I should mention, though, that launcher selection menu may not show ALL potential launchers. In addition to the TV Launcher app that I had preinstalled on my system at the time of the Oreo update, I also had the HALauncher installed, and for some reason, I've never gotten the HALauncher as an available choice in the Home app launcher selection menu.

 

For me, too, the much easier way to select a different default launcher on the MiBox Oreo update is a MAJOR improvement that makes it a much more friendly, attractive device for me.

 

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18 minutes ago, JaiMaai said:

Also, the AIS Play app ( the one on the full Play Store, not the Playbox one) would load and let me enter the OTP password to log in and then crash out. This was a deal breaker for me,  Has anyone tried to sideload on on the new firmware and got it working?

 

I played around with the AIS Play app from the Google Play Store on my MiBox, I believe, prior to the Oreo update, and never got past the app immediately crashing any time I tried to open it.  Has anyone found a way to avoid that failure with the app on the MiBox?

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

My Mi Boxs all updated (without consent) to Oreo and its been a disaster.. 

 

Wifi constantly dropping.. Causing hangs, pauses, apps needing force close etc etc..

Audio loss, usually a few seconds after starting a stream

Odd HDCP / CEC issues

 

Etc etc... 

 

Android TV and the launchers fine.. I can see how the channel ribbons will be useful, and the channels app (and puppetmaster TV to populate it) is great.. But the damn thing is too buggy to use as a daily driver. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

My Mi Boxs all updated (without consent) to Oreo and its been a disaster.. 

 

Wifi constantly dropping.. Causing hangs, pauses, apps needing force close etc etc..

Audio loss, usually a few seconds after starting a stream

Odd HDCP / CEC issues

 

Etc etc... 

 

Android TV and the launchers fine.. I can see how the channel ribbons will be useful, and the channels app (and puppetmaster TV to populate it) is great.. But the damn thing is too buggy to use as a daily driver.

 

There have been A LOT of bug reports about the MiBox Oreo update, as recounted on the Reddit thread and the Mibox.eu support forum.  However, there also was a 40 MB or so OTA update that Xiaomi pushed out the other day that supposedly fixes some of those problems, including HDCP and a few others.  Not the wifi drops issue, though.

 

Xiaomi is aware of all those issues, they've been inundated with bug reports, and reportedly are working on additional updates/fixes to send via OTA.  Stay tuned.

 

If you go into the EU forum threads, there is detailed discussion about a lot of those issues and some workarounds for some items.  Or you can just wait for the OTA updates to come.

 

Mine right now is basically working fine,, except for periodic short-term audio volume drops. That's after installing the recent 40 MB OTA updates.  But my uses are simple straightforward ones, so I'm not exorcized about auto framerate switching and some other techie issues that are in play.

 

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Your lucky.. I have 4 paperweights.. Too buggy to use. 

 

I am off to europe soon, where I have fireTVs, assume the bugs will be fixed by the time I am back (bring fireTV boxes in case / or if not). Prefer AndroidTV to FireTV interface, but missing a lot of mainstream apps (iPlayer, 4oD, etc etc).

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17 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Your lucky.. I have 4 paperweights.. Too buggy to use. 

 

I am off to europe soon, where I have fireTVs, assume the bugs will be fixed by the time I am back (bring fireTV boxes in case / or if not). Prefer AndroidTV to FireTV interface, but missing a lot of mainstream apps (iPlayer, 4oD, etc etc).

 

Assuming you have access to them, you might at least check the System Update feature in your Google Settings menu on the MiBoxes, and see if the latest OTA update has been pushed to you. Definitely install it if you can, and that should improve the situation.

 

Or just ignore them for the time being, come back later in the future, and hopefully a broader, fully range of fixes will have been pushed out via OTA update.  From all indications, Xiaomi is actually working on this, and it's not going to be another two year wait like the move from MM to Oreo before they get various of these problems resolved.

 

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yeah the bug fix came.. It however addressed issues like  exFAT drives which dont apply to me, and didnt address issues which do.. 

 

For now theres 4 nice paperweights.. Hopefully soon they will be repaired

 

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My Mi box 3 has working fine since the Oreo upgrade...haven't' install the 40MB update yet....will go check for that tonight.  No audio drops...no Wifi problems...but I've pretty much only used it for Youtubing a half dozen times periods of an hour or so since upgrading to Oreo.

 

Now after my Shield upgrade to Oreo I had several weird problems that I've worked through which sometimes required uninstalling an app and reinstalling it.   Even had a weird problem regarding status of battery level on the remote....a problem similar to how your smartphone/tablet suddenly seems to give bad level/charging status.

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30 minutes ago, Pib said:

My Mi box 3 has working fine since the Oreo upgrade...haven't' install the 40MB update yet....will go check for that tonight.  No audio drops...no Wifi problems...but I've pretty much only used it for Youtubing a half dozen times periods of an hour or so since upgrading to Oreo.

 

Now after my Shield upgrade to Oreo I had several weird problems that I've worked through which sometimes required uninstalling an app and reinstalling it.   Even had a weird problem regarding status of battery level on the remote....a problem similar to how your smartphone/tablet suddenly seems to give bad level/charging status.

Installed that 40MB update....below is a snapshot of what it's suppose to fix.  Installed it...checked out Youtube, SmartYoutube, CBS News, and Mobdro...all still streamed fine and no audio problems...just like before the update. 

 

Wifi was still working fine with my 200Mb AIS Fibre plan and the Mi box located in the next room from the router....Youtube showed I was getting a steady 66Mb streaming speed while playing videos.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Pib said:

My Mi box 3 has working fine since the Oreo upgrade...haven't' install the 40MB update yet....will go check for that tonight.  No audio drops...no Wifi problems...but I've pretty much only used it for Youtubing a half dozen times periods of an hour or so since upgrading to Oreo.

 

 

It's weird. In reading the MiBox forums lately, some people are having big-time problems with a particular issue like wifi or audio or whatever, and others are saying they're having no problem. Kind of hard to understand how that's happened with a single device and model made by one manufacturer.

 

I think a lot of the issues going on lately have been HDCP related issues where it's the connection between the MiBox and whatever the TV is that comes into play. And of course, there are zillions of different models of TVs by dozens of different manufacturers, with people having new TVs, recent TVs and very old TVs. So I guess that can create a lot of variations in how the HDCP handshake gets handled, leading to either flawless performance or horrible performance, depending.

 

But I think in general, among the hard-core MiBox forum folks and MiBox enthusiasts, it's pretty widely viewed at this point that Xiaomi pushed out an Oreo update (two years late) that clearly had a lot of unresolved and unaddressed issues, despite having supposedly months of beta user testing prior to the release.  How the failure to provide for NTFS drive compatibility managed to get thru their Oreo beta testing without getting addressed and solved is one of the most glaring examples.

 

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8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It's weird. In reading the MiBox forums lately, some people are having big-time problems with a particular issue like wifi or audio or whatever, and others are saying they're having no problem. Kind of hard to understand how that's happened with a single device and model made by one manufacturer.

 

I think a lot of the issues going on lately have been HDCP related issues where it's the connection between the MiBox and whatever the TV is that comes into play. And of course, there are zillions of different models of TVs by dozens of different manufacturers, with people having new TVs, recent TVs and very old TVs. So I guess that can create a lot of variations in how the HDCP handshake gets handled, leading to either flawless performance or horrible performance, depending.

 

But I think in general, among the hard-core MiBox forum folks and MiBox enthusiasts, it's pretty widely viewed at this point that Xiaomi pushed out an Oreo update (two years late) that clearly had a lot of unresolved and unaddressed issues, despite having supposedly months of beta user testing prior to the release.  How the failure to provide for NTFS drive compatibility managed to get thru their Oreo beta testing without getting addressed and solved is one of the most glaring examples.

 

The wifi is what I dont understand.. They have stated that the broadcom drivers are at fault and its a known problem.. 

I have a good router, in one case maybe 10 ft line of sight from the box, but the box constantly drops wifi (static IP helps a tiny bit) which in turn causes streams to hang, and then apps to crash, force closes needed, etc etc.. I have not a hope of getting through a single TV episode without multiple crashes, reboots, etc etc 

Also the speed when it is connected is terrible, not enough for 1080p streams and again buffering pauses and hangs. 

How some people can not have that wifi problem, when its stated as a driver issue, and others be ruined by it, is confusing. HDCP issues (not an thing for me) of course is highly dependant on what display connections and chain but wifi based on what access point ?? 

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2 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

How some people can not have that wifi problem, when its stated as a driver issue, and others be ruined by it, is confusing. HDCP issues (not an thing for me) of course is highly dependant on what display connections and chain but wifi based on what access point ?? 

 

And in my case, I have NOT been having any noteworthy wifi problems AFAIK, and my ASUS wifi router has a Qualcomm Atheros chipset vs most ASUS routers that have the Broadcom chipset. Dunno if that makes an difference.

 

The one change/problem I have noticed is when I restart or turn on the Mi Box since the Oreo update, I initially for a couple seconds after restart/reboot get a "wifi not connected" flash message on the screen for a couple seconds. But then when I go into settings to check, by the time I open settings, the settings info shows the wifi is connected with a good connection. So once my Mibox is actually running, the wifi seems fine.

 

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25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And in my case, I have NOT been having any noteworthy wifi problems AFAIK, and my ASUS wifi router has a Qualcomm Atheros chipset vs most ASUS routers that have the Broadcom chipset. Dunno if that makes an difference.

 

The one change/problem I have noticed is when I restart or turn on the Mi Box since the Oreo update, I initially for a couple seconds after restart/reboot get a "wifi not connected" flash message on the screen for a couple seconds. But then when I go into settings to check, by the time I open settings, the settings info shows the wifi is connected with a good connection. So once my Mibox is actually running, the wifi seems fine.

 

That pops up every few minutes for me.. Changing to a static IP helps the pop ups reduce but doesnt actually stop the stream disconnections (much, hard to tell) which are all the time. Every 5 - 15 mins a stream will break, causing kodi or u-play etc to hang.. 

 

 

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Seems Xiaomi have stopped the roll out of the Oreo update to international boxes given the massive amount of problems that have been introduced for users.  To say they screwed up big time is an understatement!

 

The Xiaomi bug thread is here: https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/mi-box-3-master-bug-list.44784/

 

Thankfully I only have one of the mentioned problems given I just don't use much of what folks are having problems with.  The problem I have is waking from sleep with the remote where the device simply does not respond to power button presses and needs to be re-booted by pulling the mains plug every single time.  Bit of a PITA TBH to such an extent that I even considered putting the Fire TV back into use temporarily until it's fixed seeing as I only now use the box in that room for Netflix, iFlix and YouTube but the childish spat between Google / Amazon seems to have escalated further since last time I used the Fire TV to such an extent that the YT experience on it is plain <deleted>.

 

Hopefully Xiaomi will fix the ballsed-up Oreo update swiftly.  I'm leaning more and more towards just buying another Shield and be done with everything else.  As Apple used to say "It just works".

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8 hours ago, SooKee said:

the childish spat between Google / Amazon seems to have escalated further since last time I used the Fire TV to such an extent that the YT experience on it is plain <deleted>.
 

 

FWIW, Amazon announced lately that they're updating the Silk Browser app on the Fire TV to support 4K Youtube playback on 4K capable Fire TV devices -- the Fire TV 3 pendant, Fire TV 2nd gen box, and Fire TV Cube, apart from the Fire televisions, which local folks here probably don't have locally.
 

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For all 4K capable Fire TV models except the Fire TV 2, the Silk Browser is always displayed in 4K and browsing YouTube in the browser will automatically stream 4K videos when available. For the Fire TV 2, things are a little different. Since the Fire TV 2 only supports 4K at 30 frames per second and is intended to only switch from 1080p to 4K for video playback, the Silk Browser actually only switches your television to 4K when you’re browsing YouTube. Loading any other website will leave your TV set to 1080p. Presumably, this is done to preserve the smoothness of 60 frames per second navigation.

 

http://www.aftvnews.com/silk-browser-for-fire-tv-updated-with-support-for-4k-youtube/

 

 

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Cheers. I'll maybe take a look. Was surprised when I plugged it in again, having got bored of having to pull the plug and wait every time I want to watch the Mi, only to find that the FTV YT app now asks you to select a browser both options of which give you an absolute crap user experience with YT, to such an extent that is unusable for me. That was using Silk No way do I want to navigate YT using a pointer and generic Android box browser type interface. Pulling the plug on Mi each time I need to use it is problematic to me then navigating YT on the FTV currently, despite Amazon having improved their interface, so the Fire is back in it's box again.  

Have tried re-pairing the remote on the Mi to no avail WRT the wake from sleep issue. Can't be bothered as yet to try a factory reset on the Mi (particularly given that even that only seems to resolve the problem temporarily, if at all). Not only have Xiaomi taken ages to roll the update out, they have gone one better and made a complete balls up of doing so.

 

I'll monitor it over the next few weeks and if nothing is sorted I might just bite the bullet and buy another Shield. Overkill for where it gets used but preferable to having the Mi that doesn't wake up or the Fire's dire YT experience. The Silk page I got when using it for YT (which comes as a result of Google blocking the link to the ATV style YT web-wrap) looked nothing like the one in the link so maybe my box hasn't been updated yet.

 

Pity Amazon and Google can't resolve their differences, meanwhile the customer gets to put up with their playground antics!

 

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Edit to the above (problems of posting with a phone): "Pulling the plug on Mi each time I need to use it is less problematic to me than navigating YT on the FTV currently, despite Amazon having improved their interface, so the Fire is back in it's box again."

 

Hopefully the new Silk update will improve the experience, not had it to my box yet. 

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46 minutes ago, zeekgarcia said:

 

Can this android box use google chrome?

Can you use a usb or wireless keyboard with it?

Can you use a usb or wireless mouse with it?

Thanks

 

On my MiBox...

 

--I have a USB 4-jack extension device plugged into it, and a regular standard USB mouse plugged into that (along with a USB data stick), which works fine controlling MiBox functions or functions of sideloaded apps that require mouse input.

 

--AFAIK, on the MiBox, you can't directly download the Chrome browser from the built-in Google Android TV app store. However, you certainly can sideload and install a regular Android version of the Chrome browser, and it will work fine with some kind of mouse input (but mostly not with the MiBox remote input).

 

There's also a simplified version of the Firefox browser made specially for the Fire TV line that can be sideloaded onto the MiBox and works fine even without any USB or wireless mouse, because it has a built-in mouse function that can be controlled very nicely by the MiBox remote's directional keys.

 

--I believe I've used a Bluetooth keyboard with my MiBox in the long past, but it's been a long time. Never really have the need for it.

 

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If you haven't turned your MiBox on lately (I hadn't for about a month since it's used in a room not used often), there was as major OTA update released in early Sep.  Apparently released around 11 Sep.   Build number 2303.   When I turned my box on today I was notified of the 620MB in size update....downloaded/installed OK.

 

This webpage talks about Build 2303 a little.

https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/build-2303-bug-feedback.46308/

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16 hours ago, Pib said:

If you haven't turned your MiBox on lately (I hadn't for about a month since it's used in a room not used often), there was as major OTA update released in early Sep.  Apparently released around 11 Sep.   Build number 2303.   When I turned my box on today I was notified of the 620MB in size update....downloaded/installed OK.

 

This webpage talks about Build 2303 a little.

https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/build-2303-bug-feedback.46308/

 

Yep, my MiBox got it a week or so back, and that was about a week after others in the MiBox community first started reported getting it.  After installing, my MiBox is running OK, as it was before the update. But lots of other users still reporting various problems with Oreo.

 

The latest update mainly was supposed to fix problems some users were having with wifi disconnects or slowdowns. The one thing I had noticed as a change with the original Oreo release was that my MiBox seemed to be slow to initially connect to wifi after being started or re-started, but once connected, seemed to run fine. Now, with the latest update, I'm not getting any more of the "not connected to wifi" messages I used to get for a minute or two upon starts/restarts.

 

But I'm a relatively simple user, just use my MiBox for streaming via apps, all of which seem to work fine. I'm not trying to network it with a NAS to play a huge local video collection or connect it to a fancy home stereo system, some of the kinds of uses where people still seem to be reporting problems.

 

 

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