Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

[vogie]

19 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Maybe if you prefer medium class vehicles. 
In the upper segment, the Japanese do not have much class.
But next year, maybe I'll treat myself to a Nissan GTA for a year to blow it up on the German Autobahn at 5am Sunday morning.

I think you are doing the right thing by considering a Nissan, they will be more emission friendly and last you longer than the German counterpart version. You will probably get it for half the price of the German car too.

[tomacht8]

8 minutes ago, The manic said:

We established the debate on the negative aspects off the EU. Any positive changes are down to the UK But EU refused to make any concessions.  We were forced out but many will follow. Only cowards fear our future without mutter Merkel and the french lunatic elite...the mafia states of Italy and 3rd world dumps like Greece. The European Project is a con trick....it has led to the destruction of the indigenous population of countless European cities. England is finished whether we stay in the EU or not. But we have set an example to the world 

We were forced out? - Nobody forced you out!
England is finished whether we stay in the EU or not.
Does not sound optimistic.

All EU countries have the immigration pressure.
It is simply because of the economic refugees, the overpopulation and the crazy birth rates in countries where not enough food grows.
The UK is already fat overcrowded with many cultures.
As an EU citizen, I also like to look at condominiums in Budapest.
As an EU citizen, I can easily buy there.
However, I do not know how it looks like after Brexit.

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

We were forced out? - Nobody forced you out!
England is finished whether we stay in the EU or not.
Does not sound optimistic.

All EU countries have the immigration pressure.
It is simply because of the economic refugees, the overpopulation and the crazy birth rates in countries where not enough food grows.
The UK is already fat overcrowded with many cultures.
As an EU citizen, I also like to look at condominiums in Budapest.
As an EU citizen, I can easily buy there.
However, I do not know how it looks like after Brexit.

 

 I’ve always been a proud Brit. Today I feel ashamed of my country,whose pathetic P..M, ( the reincarnation of  Neville Chamberlain )has capilated and relinquished our sovereignty to a new colonial power. And this against the expressed wish of the majority of the British people.

 

 The big question now is “ is this the end of our struggle, or just another step in regaining our country back?”

 

https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2F985719%2FBrexit-news-UK-EU-Theresa-May-soft-Brexit-plan-Nigel-Farage-latest-deal-vote&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf5ede849318942de44ac08d5e5d361ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636667618397494864&sdata=rizZZHKXTdBdJURK3M7yihk%2BM%2Bv5P6EEH%2FZQcNvbgJQ%3D&reserved=0

Edited July 9, 2018 by nontabury

[aright]

If the great Brexit betrayal isn't reversed, I'll have no choice but to return as Ukip leader

I never wanted a career in politics. I only ever wanted to stop the country I love being sucked further into a political and economic union which is most unnatural to the instincts of the majority of my fellow citizens. However, my own red line is that if Article 50 is suspended or delayed, I will have no choice but to resume campaigning in all parts of the United Kingdom.

 

 

https://uk.news.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrJQ5s7s0NbK1cA5wlLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZmVxM3N0BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=If+the+great+brexit+betrayal+isn't+reversed+I'll+have+no+choice+but+to+return+as+UKIP+leader&fr=yfp-t-s&fr2=cosmos

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, aright said:

Great as a resignation letter writer though.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjMo1oo4pjfRhFOOYxtiI1sw8JAVibJl/view

Yes, a good letter. Clearly we should go for N+CU as it resolves main of the issues Boris raises. On condition EU agrees to protect female cyclists 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I think you are doing the right thing by considering a Nissan, they will be more emission friendly and last you longer than the German counterpart version. You will probably get it for half the price of the German car too.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-44763905

[aright]

"On condition EU agrees to protect female cyclists"

 

Stop trivializing; I didn't have you picked as sexist.  ? 

[Grouse]

9 minutes ago, aright said:

"On condition EU agrees to protect female cyclists"

 

Stop trivializing; I didn't have you picked as sexist.  ? 

Just quoting from Boris's resignation letter!

[Grouse]

The former Swedish prime minister Carl Bildt tweeted on Monday that Britain "used to be a nation providing leadership to the world - now, it can't even provide leadership to itself".

[aright]

10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Just quoting from Boris's resignation letter!

I am so glad you have adopted a tenet of us Brexiteers.

If a country can't pass a law to protect the lives of  female cyclists...………...then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent" 

Pleased to see you're coming round to our way of thinking.

[aright]

38 minutes ago, Grouse said:

The former Swedish prime minister Carl Bildt tweeted on Monday that Britain "used to be a nation providing leadership to the world - now, it can't even provide leadership to itself".

Is this the same Carl Bildt who the Times referred to as a "robotic political pygmy" as a result of his indifference to the ethnic cleansing and genocide committed by the Bosnian Serbs.

 

 

[kwilco]

16 hours ago, The manic said:

You answered your own question. Hate filled rhetoric from the losers and cowards. Thats all you have.

What ??

Edited July 9, 2018 by kwilco

[kwilco]

16 hours ago, The manic said:

You answered your own question. Hate filled rhetoric from the losers and cowards. Thats all you have.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44770847

 

 

First Davis and now Boris............ this isn't a government, it's just one long hissy-fit......brought about entirely by Brexiteers and their own hissy-fit.

What do you expect from a bunch of childlike reactionaries who have no idea what they really want.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44770847

 

 

First Davis and now Boris............ this isn't a government, it's just one long hissy-fit......brought about entirely by Brexiteers and their own hissy-fit.

What do you expect from a bunch of childlike reactionaries who have no idea what they really want.

They do know what they want. To act the will of the referendum result or have you got dementia on what that was.  If May had let Davis Davis do the job she put him in to do, then we wouldn't be in this state. As Boris Johnson quite rightly stated you cant polish a T---D.

 

After watching Lord Adonis on SKY TV I really believe May is going to cause a second referendum until the EU gets the right result.

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, aright said:

The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment 

 

To me and many contributors here these are very strong "leaving" issues and who are you to tell us how we should construct our argument. Add to that you seem to  want to tell us that Brexit is only an economic issue and  you will tell us what subjects are permissible in the debate. 

Away with your madness.

 

You have obviously chose to ignore the topic title, which relates to the brexit negotiations.

Emotional speculation and opinion on EU member state domestic issues have no bearing on the brexit negotiations whatsoever and are effectively off topic.

If you want to discuss such issues create another thread rather than hijacking comments on this one.

[sandyf]

Has it ever been fit to negotiate.

 

Though the Commission has responded cooly to the political chaos in Westminster, behind the scenes EU officials are concerned about the stability of Ms May’s government and whether it will be fit to negotiate with.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-resignation-brexit-david-davis-theresa-may-eu-resigns-cabinet-a8439201.html

[RuamRudy]

6 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 I’ve always been a proud Brit. Today I feel ashamed of my country,whose pathetic P..M, ( the reincarnation of  Neville Chamberlain )has capilated and relinquished our sovereignty to a new colonial power. And this against the expressed wish of the majority of the British people.

 

37% is not even remotely close to a majority, no matter how you try to spin it.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, The manic said:

We established the debate on the negative aspects off the EU. Any positive changes are down to the UK But EU refused to make any concessions.  We were forced out but many will follow. Only cowards fear our future without mutter Merkel and the french lunatic elite...the mafia states of Italy and 3rd world dumps like Greece. The European Project is a con trick....it has led to the destruction of the indigenous population of countless European cities. England is finished whether weu stay in the EU or not. But we have set an example to the world 

“European Project is a con trick....it has led to the destruction of the indigenous population of countless European cities.”

 

Where do you get this hogwash from?

 

Firstly, the cities of Europe are not ‘countless’ more importantly every city in Europe has had a multicultural population going back centuries.

 

You give us idiotic xenophobic statements while having yourself moved to live in another country.

 

 

[sandyf]

Has she put the fox in the henhouse?

 

Among regulations Mr Raab said should scrapped are the EU’s Working Time Regulations, which restrict the number of hours an employee can be forced to work 48 hours a week or 13 hours a day. They also guarantee at least one day off a week, a minimum of four weeks’ paid annual leave a year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-brexit-eu-workers-rights-uk-talks-brexit-secretary-a8438706.html

 

[dick dasterdly]

Not sure about 'fox in henhouse', but she's clearly appointed someone that the tory politicians will love - and poor, working people will hate....

 

I'm not sure whether:-

1) she's 'played a blinder' (in that those poor, working people - likely leavers) may be frightened by his appt., and possibly support remain as the lesser of two evils or

 

2) made a very bad mistake (resulting in said poor, working, voters that previously voted tory,) turning to another party.

Edited July 10, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

They do know what they want. To act the will of the referendum result or have you got dementia on what that was.  If May had let Davis Davis do the job she put him in to do, then we wouldn't be in this state. As Boris Johnson quite rightly stated you cant polish a T---D.

 

After watching Lord Adonis on SKY TV I really believe May is going to cause a second referendum until the EU gets the right result.

"To act the will of the referendum " - Sorry if you think that Brexiteers know why they want you clearly don't  have th necessary abilities to talk rationally about this topic

[kwilco]

I think the only solution now is civil war

[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

"To act the will of the referendum " - Sorry if you think that Brexiteers know why they want you clearly don't  have th necessary abilities to talk rationally about this topic

Really.  I know what I voted for. I am a Brexiteer. So I can't talk rationally. mmmmmm. Is it because I have a different opinion from you.

Edited July 10, 2018 by Laughing Gravy

[Orac]

Has she put the fox in the henhouse?
 
Among regulations Mr Raab said should scrapped are the EU’s Working Time Regulations, which restrict the number of hours an employee can be forced to work 48 hours a week or 13 hours a day. They also guarantee at least one day off a week, a minimum of four weeks’ paid annual leave a year.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-brexit-eu-workers-rights-uk-talks-brexit-secretary-a8438706.html
 

To be fair he did make these statements several years ago and, since he is joining a cabinet who seem unable to hold a position more than few hours, it is a bit of a stretch to expect him to stick to anything he said before being appointed.


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[tebee]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Really.  I know what i voted for. I am a Brexiteer. So I can't talk rationally. mmmmmm. Is it because I have a different opinion from you.

So exactly what did you vote for ?

 

[kwilco]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Really.  I know what i voted for. I am a Brexiteer. So I can't talk rationally. mmmmmm. Is it because I have a different opinion from you.

QED - " I know what i voted for. I am a Brexiteer" - the ultimate oxymoron!

[kwilco]

An opinion needs to be based on evidence analysis and rational thought - no "argument" for Brexit shows this therefore you don't have an opinion.

[Laughing Gravy]

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

So exactly what did you vote for ?

 

OK I will say it again, although those posters who have been on here a while, certainly for the 2 year period since the 2016 referendum. I voted Leave. I was still eligible for a vote even though I have lived here in Thailand for a long time.

 

I follow politics and believe everyone should, if they want to have  a say and have their opinions valued.

 

So I listened to the prime Minister DC who clearly stated that by voting to Leave the EU we would leave the single market, customs union and European court of Justice jurisdiction (although I always thought this was never a complete leave)

 

 So from the above I voted leave. everyone I know who voted leave did the same with the same understanding. The term soft and hard brexit wasn't invented and has been so, by remainers trying to 'stop the above.

 

tebbe is that clear?

Edited July 10, 2018 by Laughing Gravy

[Jip99]

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

An opinion needs to be based on evidence analysis and rational thought - no "argument" for Brexit shows this therefore you don't have an opinion.

 

 

If your surname was Head, your christian name would be Richard! 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

An opinion needs to be based on evidence analysis and rational thought - no "argument" for Brexit shows this therefore you don't have an opinion.

I don't know if you have been following the various Brexit threads as they have evolved along with Brexit, but to jump in now and be so insulting to a frequent contributor to the threads is out of order, in my opinion. There are few Brexit related things to which LG and I agree, but he certainly doesn't deserve the goading that you are throwing down.