Officials Call For Donations Of Small Diving Masks To Rescue Cave Boys

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, Chrisdoc said:

A few thousand dollars ? RRP 800 baht each so around 10000 baht for 12.
 

I know nothing about this subject. After telling my wife the price above, an hour later she informed me on Thai TV the price was just quoted as 20,000 Baht each.

 

[AleG]

2 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

15 masks donated already.

Let's go get em.

 

 

So, in the time it took to fill two pages of comments by pathological whiners that wouldn't want piddling things like understanding what is being asked for get on the way of their miserable opinions, they managed to get the special full face masks they asked for.
Splendid.

[AleG]

18 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I know nothing about this subject. After telling my wife the price above, an hour later she informed me on Thai TV the price was just quoted as 20,000 Baht each.

 

That's because this types of masks, on that size is not something you can walk into a Supersports and buy for 500 Baht; in a very well stocked dive shop you would get lucky to find one.

[KiChakayan]

2 hours ago, maximillian said:

 

Let's say 12 lit times 200 atm pressure = 2400 lit of air,  they have about 2.000 lit of air to breathe. Consumption of approx. 30 lit/min = 65 min, 1 hour. More or less on the surface.

The point is they are not at the surface. At 10 meters (2 atmospheres) the volume becomes 1200 liters (Boyle-Mariotte law) ...  Have you seen a diver panic?

 

[eldragon]

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[Artisi]

2 hours ago, pornprong said:

Time to get out the Thai army's greatest ever purchase and save the day.

Didn't they think to use these to locate the kids, weren't they originally sold to find golf balls - should easily be converted to football players. 

[Justfine]

6 hours ago, Cadbury said:

Rather that seeking donations surely benevolent PM Prayut could put his hand into his deep pockets and fund these masks for the boys. That might go a long way to improving his low popularity.

They would only cost $120.

[Justfine]

38 minutes ago, eldragon said:

Whenever international media covers a story in Thailand, I’m reminded of a guy that takes a hooker to dinner with his family or friends and tries to pass her off as his girlfriend.

 

 

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[rwdrwdrwd]

What's the address of the imbecile official that has instructed the rescue team to canvass the public for children's diving masks, rather than acting immediately to buy them and get them into the country - I'd like to send them a cracked, completely unreliable second hand snorkel for them to smoke their yaba through.

Apparently the ones they need cost 25k baht each - nightmare, if only there were a few Panerai somewhere to pawn.

Edited July 3, 2018 by rwdrwdrwd

[rwdrwdrwd]

1 hour ago, AleG said:

That's because this types of masks, on that size is not something you can walk into a Supersports and buy for 500 Baht; in a very well stocked dive shop you would get lucky to find one.

So import good quality unused ones on an express plane, like 24 hours ago (or indeed 10 days ago, seems crass to hold off waiting to verify there is still life to save).. let's not pretend that there are less than 12 such masks in existence, or that they would be difficult to locate if money wasn't an issue.

It's astonishing that the Thai authorities place the onus on the public rather than getting off their arse and getting their wallet out - and I'm not referring to the rescue teams here since I strongly doubt the decision to do so came from them.

Edited July 3, 2018 by rwdrwdrwd

[phetphet]

To expect a young child without any dive experience, to swim through muddy water where one can't see one's hand in front of their face, no reference of what is up or down, and crawl or squeeze through narrow spaces and tunnels is downright dangerous. What if panic sets in?

 Probably better to keep them where they are until the water level drops and it is safer to bring them out. 

[AleG]

34 minutes ago, rwdrwdrwd said:

What's the address of the imbecile official that has instructed the rescue team to canvass the public for children's diving masks, rather than acting immediately to buy them and get them into the country - I'd like to send them a cracked, completely unreliable second hand snorkel for them to smoke their yaba through.

Apparently the ones they need cost 25k baht each - nightmare, if only there were a few Panerai somewhere to pawn.

Since you know better than the "imbeciles" one question, what do they do with the masks they already got, in your rush to bash them I guess you missed that part? That the call for donations has been answered and they already got them?
It seems they succeeded in acquiring the means for a possible evacuation of those children, while you achieved what by jumping in casting aspersions about a situation you don't understand?

[rwdrwdrwd]

32 minutes ago, AleG said:

Since you know better than the "imbeciles" one question, what do they do with the masks they already got, in your rush to bash them I guess you missed that part? That the call for donations has been answered and they already got them?
It seems they succeeded in acquiring the means for a possible evacuation of those children, while you achieved what by jumping in casting aspersions about a situation you don't understand?

Sorry what's to understand? It's not a difficult scenario.

Rather than paying the money and purchasing brand new, undamaged and quality masks for 12 stranded children that could have been in country within around 12 hours max, somebody opted to canvass the general public for their second hand diving equipment.

That the general public *happened* to respond is irrelevant to the fact that it's an utterly absurd and uncaring decision made by an official that could have spent 500k or so from an immense public budget and had decent, new masks in the country by sunrise this morning (or indeed 10 days ago).

Edited July 3, 2018 by rwdrwdrwd

[eldragon]

Why not just charge the parents 5 times the going rate. Thats what would happen if the kids were farang plus a cave entry fee

Five times the going rate and then invest in Chinese knock-offs.


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[Chrisdoc]

I know nothing about this subject. After telling my wife the price above, an hour later she informed me on Thai TV the price was just quoted as 20,000 Baht each.
 

Was agreeing with you. However much they cost it is not alot for a government to buy. Crazy asking for donations.

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[maximillian]

10 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

12 hours ago, maximillian said:

 

Let's say 12 lit times 200 atm pressure = 2400 lit of air,  they have about 2.000 lit of air to breathe. Consumption of approx. 30 lit/min = 65 min, 1 hour. More or less on the surface.

The point is they are not at the surface. At 10 meters (2 atmospheres) the volume becomes 1200 liters (Boyle-Mariotte law) ...  Have you seen a diver panic?

 

Well, the sketches of the cave show three places where they would have to dive.

Don't know how deep they'll have to go but have to stay down only for a short time before surfacing again.

Within my approx. 1.400 dives I've never seen a diver panic. Only two with nitrogen narcosis.

I do hope very much that the boys can manage to stay cool and trust the professionals.

Panic would be disastrous indeed and MUST be avoided. 

Thumbs up, they can do it !

[Artisi]

11 hours ago, AleG said:

So, in the time it took to fill two pages of comments by pathological whiners that wouldn't want piddling things like understanding what is being asked for get on the way of their miserable opinions, they managed to get the special full face masks they asked for.
Splendid.

Your correct, but the post heading was officials asking for them to be donated - FF sake, what an absolute stupid, idiotic request, the masks are available - just go and buy them. 

 

[jaiyen]

What is the rush to buy masks ? The boys will have to improve their health,strength and bravery and then learn to swim and then have dive training. This will take weeks before they are ready to wear a proper cave diving mask. If it is possible at all to get them out this way.

[Sydebolle]

What a farce; who paid for all those foreign experts, US troops and logistics in rescuing the group? 

Hence I suggest to look into the submarine budget; I am pretty sure there is some loose change left there in the millions ............. 

[Artisi]

1 minute ago, Sydebolle said:

What a farce; who paid for all those foreign experts, US troops and logistics in rescuing the group? 

Hence I suggest to look into the submarine budget; I am pretty sure there is some loose change left there in the millions ............. 

12 masks wouldn't even cost what the front cover of a submarine operations manual would cost. 

It was probably just a stupid official trying to big note himself - a bit like the BIB turkey giving people a hard time regarding drone permits. 

TIT ?

[overherebc]

17 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

The guy who decided to go this way should be taken to dive in a pitch dark environment in a confined space. I am an amateur diver (divemaster level) and every time I am in a dark(er) confined space my air consumption is doubled, or more, just due mild claustrophobia. A beginner diver also uses twice as much air as a confirmed one. So I would expect each one of these boys going through a 12 liter tank in about 20 minutes. So they'd better work out their margins of error.

Years ago did it in a swimming pool with a blacked out mask and at that time what was called a bone transmission sound unit under the mask strap.

Even in a pool breathing and heart rate went through the roof.

[AleG]

3 hours ago, Artisi said:

Your correct, but the post heading was officials asking for them to be donated - FF sake, what an absolute stupid, idiotic request, the masks are available - just go and buy them. 

 

And how long would that process take? They asked for help from the public and got them in a matter of hours.
Would you have preferred they go through government red tape while hoping conditions on the cave remained favourable?

Did you see the photos of the air tank depot they set up? Hundreds of new tanks, 10K a pop, you think money to buy diving gear is the objection or maybe, perhaps it's a matter of expediency?

And here I thought the big lesson learned so far during this ordeal had been the importance of asking for timely outside help to solve problems. ?

[Telly]

I do believe you can just grab those sizes from decathlon Chiang Mai and ship to the Chiang Rai cave in a day

[xtrnuno41]

donations for masks? how much you think it will cost to transport and use Japanese high volume pumps? how about all the volunteers, divers and others ? And now  they are waiting for donations for masks? Unbelievable, im flabbergasted 

[SOTIRIOS]

...another 'glory-seeker'...

 

...which is how and why this all began...???

 

....and Thais and 'donations'.....???

 

...like the millions allegedly donated to...and squandered by the Swiss father's exes recently...???

 

...scores of people displaced themselves...internationally...

 

...untold expenses and efforts...

 

...now this !@#$%^&* wants to 'do everyone, one better'....???

 

...jeez...

[rwdrwdrwd]

13 hours ago, Telly said:

I do believe you can just grab those sizes from decathlon Chiang Mai and ship to the Chiang Rai cave in a day

Which might well be what the people who donated did.



900 baht, these are definitely equal to the quality that the kids need.

Could have ordered them on Lazada for 500 baht with guaranteed next day delivery https://www.lazada.co.th/products/cressi-piumetta-kid-diving-mask-sil-frame-i110847736-s112885820.html

Edited July 4, 2018 by rwdrwdrwd

[Damrongsak]

15 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

...  Hence I suggest to look into the submarine budget; I am pretty sure there is some loose change left there in the millions ............. 

That "loose change", like submarines, is running silent and deep.  You'd have to look in countless pockets to find it all.

[bendejo]

I've seen child-sized mask & snorkel sets at Siam Paragon and a few other places around the country.  Or is 1,200 baht per more than Thailand's treasury can handle?

 

Can't these be bought online?  Good bet that an airline that flies to Thailand will happily fly them in FOR FREE within 24 hours from Europe, Oz, N. America etc and get boatloads of free (and good!) publicity.  Sounds like someone is making a big deal of it to get more international face time, turning up the suspense etc.  Very Trumpian.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2018 by bendejo

[Damrongsak]

23 minutes ago, bendejo said:

... Very Trumpian.

They asked for diving masks, not hair pieces.

[AleG]

9 hours ago, rwdrwdrwd said:

Which might well be what the people who donated did.



900 baht, these are definitely equal to the quality that the kids need.

Could have ordered them on Lazada for 500 baht with guaranteed next day delivery https://www.lazada.co.th/products/cressi-piumetta-kid-diving-mask-sil-frame-i110847736-s112885820.html

You don't know what you are talking about, that is patently obvious, and you use that as the basis to disparage people who, unlike you, are putting their lives at risk to save lives.

If you would have read past the headline  (which obviously you didn't) before starting to insult people for their efforts to save those children you would have seen that the type of mask they were asking for is nothing like the one in that photo. Can you spot the difference? I know the "imbeciles" as you called them (AKA the SEALs who are risking their lives out there while you sit at home casting aspersions against them) can:

" Supanat added that the small-sized one cost about ฿25,000 to ฿30,000 each and that the Navy SEAL unit is putting out a call for donations of masks. "


That is a full face mask, not like the one in your photo, those full face masks they got are the ones they are training the kids to dive  with:
" The survivors were yesterday taught to wear full-face masks and practice breathing. "
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349329