Junta figures deny using power to gain poll edge

[robblok]

Just now, pornprong said:

The order in which you list the evil ones reveals all.

Thaksin is evil and so is the Junta

 

You've only started tacking on and so is the Junta since the revealed list of Junta misdeeds has become so long and grotesque that even the strong doses of kool aid and ignorance that previously did the job are no longer effective.

Your totally crazy.. you should go back in my posts and see how long I have been attacking the junta it was from before the watch scandal already when Prayut his nephew was implemented in corruption. Your just the one that can't get it over your heart to say anything bad about Thaksin.

[robblok]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

You simply don’t make sense. How on earth you can have a clean non corrupt military when they already corrupt themselves by seizing power from an elected government.

 

You don’t want a coup but you approved a military government. That’s incoherent thinking. 

 

 

That is not corruption, taking over a goverment.. go read a dictionary that is something totally different. 

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Just like you defend the guy till the end.. you the same as me but at the opposite end of the spectrum.

As for your question why so many remain, maybe they think he will win again and then they will get nice positions that get them money. Do you honestly believe they are not all in it for the money ? (and I mean all junta, ptp, democrats ect) only one i exclude is future forward. 

 

I am not a junta boy I am a future forward boy who sees the truth about Thaksin. He is a corrupt criminal all those court cases against him prove it. I hate corruption no matter who does it.

What exactly do you think will happen if Thanathorn's  Future Forward party starts winning elections?

He will be slandered and libelled by the elites, there will be a military coup, Thanathorn will be tried and convicted on trumped up charges and a bunch of peanuts on Thai Visa will shout from the rooftops that Thanathorn is a corrupt criminal and the coup is a good thing.

 

Junta fan boy, you are.

[pornprong]

51 minutes ago, robblok said:

To act like Tarit was not a tool for Yingluck is just a shallow attempt at denying facts. Everyone knows he was Yingluck her attack dog and used to go after political enemies. Just like the junta does with their tools. The PTP is not above the junta its tactics it uses them too. They are as dirty as the junta only difference is they were voted in. To you that means the world.. to me not so much as I judge actions.. not how they came in power and similar actions I judge with similar disapproval. I rather have a clean non corrupt military goverment (no not this junta as they are corrupt) then a corrupt PTP goverment that is voted in. 

 

That does not mean I want an other coup, its just an example of how i see things.. I think actions are the decisive factor.. not if someone is voted in. Most perfect would be of course a non corrupt voted in goverment. But i place a non corrupt military goverment over a corrupt civilian one. 

What ridiculous thinking.

 

Here's a simple test, how many examples from world history can you add to each of the following categories:

 

Non-corrupt unelected military regimes

 

Super corrupt, oppressive and murderous unelected military regimes?

Edited July 4, 2018 by pornprong

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

That is not corruption, taking over a goverment.. go read a dictionary that is something totally different. 

Corruption is wrongdoing and criminal. Coup is just that. Pity you keep defending the defensible. 

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, pornprong said:

What ridiculous thinking.

 

Here's a simple test, how many examples from world history can you add to each of the following categories:

 

Non-corrupt unelected military regimes

 

Super corrupt, oppressive and murderous unelected military regimes?

That’s not a fair test. There are no such references of non-corrupt post coup non-elected regimes but there are many references to corrupt, oppressive and murderous non-elected post coup regimes in the world and specifically in Thailand. 

[robblok]

40 minutes ago, pornprong said:

What exactly do you think will happen if Thanathorn's  Future Forward party starts winning elections?

He will be slandered and libelled by the elites, there will be a military coup, Thanathorn will be tried and convicted on trumped up charges and a bunch of peanuts on Thai Visa will shout from the rooftops that Thanathorn is a corrupt criminal and the coup is a good thing.

 

Junta fan boy, you are.

Your a Thaksin fanboy, you cant say anything bad about him.. prove me wrong.

 

I am for Thanathorn's future forward party, I am against the junta, but unlike you that does not mean i should like Thaksin. I guess for some people the world is just black and white. Other things are too hard to understand.

[robblok]

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Corruption is wrongdoing and criminal. Coup is just that. Pity you keep defending the defensible. 

Corruption is corruption and coups are coups.. totally different. I was specifically talking about corruption and as so often you shift the goal posts. 

 

Anyway I support the future forward party but it would be stupid to think that he has any chance (this time). The only 2 real contenders are the junta and PTP, and both are filled with evil corrupt people. Too bad you can't see that. Too bad you can't admit that the PTP is corrupt, you seem to only be able to comment on the junta but never on Thaksin or your PTP. 

So I am just enjoying how the junta and PTP are fighting with each other. I dislike them both but one of them will be in government. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

But basically the junta crooks and the PTP crooks and democrats crooks all do the same stuff. 

 

 

They all WANT to do the same but don't have at all the same power to do it

The Shins and the PTP had to circumvent the law, to use tricks or to abuse power, and to try not to be caught.

 

With a Junta it is totally different. They don't have to circumvent the law as they are the law. They don't need to play tricks because they can turn their tricks into law. They don't need to abuse power because they are an absolute power. They don't need to try not to be caught, as they have granted themselves an amnesty, not only for all what they have done before, but also for what they will do in the future. And in case this is not enough, they have (or will have) appointed most judiary and semi-judiciary members before elections, so that they can prevent their puppets (for example the "three allies") from being prosecuted.

 

So no! There is absolutely no comparison between the respective power an elected government and a Junta can have, in order to exercise their crooked aims.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

Corruption is corruption and coups are coups.. totally different. I was specifically talking about corruption and as so often you shift the goal posts. 

 

Anyway I support the future forward party but it would be stupid to think that he has any chance (this time). The only 2 real contenders are the junta and PTP, and both are filled with evil corrupt people. Too bad you can't see that. Too bad you can't admit that the PTP is corrupt, you seem to only be able to comment on the junta but never on Thaksin or your PTP. 

So I am just enjoying how the junta and PTP are fighting with each other. I dislike them both but one of them will be in government. 

We all know about Thaksin’s corruption and his laundry list of charges and convictions. Do we know anything about the junta’s corruption and has any been convicted or even investigated. 

 

Are the 2 contenders fighting on a level playing field. Your opinion seek. 

[pornprong]

16 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your a Thaksin fanboy, you cant say anything bad about him.. prove me wrong.

 

I am for Thanathorn's future forward party, I am against the junta, but unlike you that does not mean i should like Thaksin. I guess for some people the world is just black and white. Other things are too hard to understand.

Very, very few people are pro-Thaksin.

What we decent folk support is the establishment of a fair and equal society where all voices are heard and valued.

Simply because utopia is unachievable does not mean we should not be striving for it.

For Thailand to become an established democracy is going to mean another period of Thaksin governments.

Like it or not, PTP has the support of the people right now.

The truly defining moment of achievement that will establish Thailand as true democracy will be one elected government (most likely a Thaksinite regime) being peacefully replaced, via the ballot box by another elected government (who knows, maybe Future Forward).

 

I favour democracy, not Thaksin.

I favour the people of Thailand being allowed to choose their own governments.

If the people vote in Prayuth in a fair election then Prayuth should the Pm of Thailand until he is voted out.

If the people vote in Thaksin in a fair election then Thaksin should be the PM of Thailand until he is voted out

Pretty simple really isn't it - Thaksin is irrelevant.

 

Notice what is absent in the above paragraphs?

Coups, military Juntas and rigged constitutions have no part in an open society.

They are never the solution and always the cause of the problems.

 

Why exactly are you for Future Forward party.

You, like me, know very, very little about them other than they are new to the scene.

Blind, uninformed devotion to the unknown is not a wise modes operandi.

 

Then again, it is blind, uninformed devotion to junta nonsense that turned you into a fanboy in the first place.

[bannork]

1 hour ago, candide said:

They all WANT to do the same but don't have at all the same power to do it

The Shins and the PTP had to circumvent the law, to use tricks or to abuse power, and to try not to be caught.

 

With a Junta it is totally different. They don't have to circumvent the law as they are the law. They don't need to play tricks because they can turn their tricks into law. They don't need to abuse power because they are an absolute power. They don't need to try not to be caught, as they have granted themselves an amnesty, not only for all what they have done before, but also for what they will do in the future. And in case this is not enough, they have (or will have) appointed most judiary and semi-judiciary members before elections, so that they can prevent their puppets (for example the "three allies") from being prosecuted.

 

So no! There is absolutely no comparison between the respective power an elected government and a Junta can have, in order to exercise their crooked aims.

Not quite. I first heard the phrase policy corruption when Thaksin was the PM. No need for clumsy corruption such as demanding 10% commission from the project in banknotes, simply change the law to benefit your own company.

[pornprong]

28 minutes ago, bannork said:

Not quite. I first heard the phrase policy corruption when Thaksin was the PM. No need for clumsy corruption such as demanding 10% commission from the project in banknotes, simply change the law to benefit your own company.

Hahahahahaha.

Policy corruption was a nonsense introduced by the junta who staged the 2006 coup.

 

The Nation described “policy corruption” as “a new, sophisticated form of official graft that works to shield the wrongdoers from prosecution due to its legality.”

 

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2007/06/freezing-of-thaksins-assets-and-policy-corruption-the-beautiful-term/#h1BYoTKReCx0284r.97

 

Policy corruption = junta kool aid.

Edited July 4, 2018 by pornprong

[chama]

14 hours ago, Get Real said:

Denial is the first step to admitting the truth.

There must be a lot of steps in between because neither of the P's are close to admitting the truth anytime soon.

[chama]

2 hours ago, pornprong said:

Very, very few people are pro-Thaksin.

What we decent folk support is the establishment of a fair and equal society where all voices are heard and valued.

Simply because utopia is unachievable does not mean we should not be striving for it.

For Thailand to become an established democracy is going to mean another period of Thaksin governments.

Like it or not, PTP has the support of the people right now.

The truly defining moment of achievement that will establish Thailand as true democracy will be one elected government (most likely a Thaksinite regime) being peacefully replaced, via the ballot box by another elected government (who knows, maybe Future Forward).

 

I favour democracy, not Thaksin.

I favour the people of Thailand being allowed to choose their own governments.

If the people vote in Prayuth in a fair election then Prayuth should the Pm of Thailand until he is voted out.

If the people vote in Thaksin in a fair election then Thaksin should be the PM of Thailand until he is voted out

Pretty simple really isn't it - Thaksin is irrelevant.

 

Notice what is absent in the above paragraphs?

Coups, military Juntas and rigged constitutions have no part in an open society.

They are never the solution and always the cause of the problems.

 

Why exactly are you for Future Forward party.

You, like me, know very, very little about them other than they are new to the scene.

Blind, uninformed devotion to the unknown is not a wise modes operandi.

 

Then again, it is blind, uninformed devotion to junta nonsense that turned you into a fanboy in the first place.

Well stated. If the Thai people pick the leadership that is the best that can be hoped for and will lead to the best result. If the leadership fails to deliver then the Thai people should be able to replace them during the next election cycle. Juntas should not happen, but if they do they should not stay in power any longer than necessary to get the government back into the hands of the people the Thais have selected to lead THEIR country.

[chama]

Obviously the junta is using its power to gain an edge in the election. Placing pro junta people in all the right places, prohibiting gatherings, etc, one would have to be blind not to see how things are being put into place. Having a visible political party is not necessary to set the pieces in place. Stepping to the forefront of an existing apparatus when the election draws near is clearly the plan. If the election is ever held. These guys aren't dumb in all aspects of politics, they can tell winning a fair election is unlikely so future delays are likely. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Not quite. I first heard the phrase policy corruption when Thaksin was the PM. No need for clumsy corruption such as demanding 10% commission from the project in banknotes, simply change the law to benefit your own company.

Isn’t the topic is all about policy corruption - Bribery. 

[chama]

Does the junta really think the Thai people are so ignorant?

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, chama said:

Does the junta really think the Thai people are so ignorant?

Yes and by their own doings. If you disallow criticism, intimidate the media, stage their own poll, appoint rubber stampers in NLA and surround yourselves with yes men, you are far away from the grass roots sentiments. They will get a rude awakening this election. They may think delaying  election will be helpful for them but it just feed into the people frustration and anger and build up their resentment of the junta and their political future. 

[Jonmarleesco]

17 hours ago, webfact said:

'"I have no party ... We have not done anything wrong,” said Prawit ...'

 

'Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said that he has not joined any political group or party.'

So they won't be 'expecting' to form a government after the eventual election? 

[baboon]

3 hours ago, chama said:

Does the junta really think the Thai people are so ignorant?

Does it matter? The fix is in. The people are only too aware but in the main are happy enough to continue bowing and scraping. They don't even have the balls to simply not attend when Bangkok 'dignitaries' show up in their towns and villages, let alone protest.

 

Well if they can't even be bothered to stay away in droves, what hope remains? Doff your cap to the junta and their backers. They have won.

[pipon99]

this little slimy sack of shit and his watch ass licking <deleted> should have been gone long time....corrupt <deleted> and laiers

[sjaak327]

12 hours ago, candide said:

It seems to me that you suggest that they are all crooks, whatever their political stance, a statement with which few will disagree. 

However, the point made by Eric was addressing different issue. To express it more directly there is a big difference between having crooks in power, whose power is limited by an (albeit imperfect) democratic system, than having crooks who benefit from absolute power and absolute impunity.

Yep, and all the arguing back and forth, they point was not even picked up, just as the point of this PTP complaint, which is fully justified. If all political parties are banned from political activities, then the Junta should not be allowed to do it either, a very simple and easy to understand point. Yet some on here are too busy with the but Thaksin to even grasp the point. Amazing, truly amazing. 

[Srikcir]

12 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

So they won't be 'expecting' to form a government after the eventual election? 

That's the fall back position.

If the new elected government isn't pro-military nor lead by Prayut, it doesn't really matter. It just reduces the transparency of any military corruption.

But with the military's 20-year plan mandated by the constitution and organic laws; ex-NCPO members having seats in the junta-appointed Senate (Prayut possible President of the Senate with Prawit as VP?); and the military's connections with the judicial system including the Constitutional Court as well as the so-called anti-corruption agencies, it will always be prepared to take over the government by force in order to resolve national chaos and violence. Wash, Rinse and Repeat.

[Get Real]

On 7/4/2018 at 1:57 PM, chama said:

There must be a lot of steps in between because neither of the P's are close to admitting the truth anytime soon.

yep! It the usual 12 step course, as for all addicted people.