4 hours ago, catman20 said:

i got some Thai girl singing praises about the Thai navy seals and what a big part they played in the rescue, ? most of the news seems to be for the Brits and the ozzys, how big was the part of the Thai navy seals ? id love to shut her up.

Don't shut her up. 

 

The Thai SEALs had a massive part in the operation and (IIRC) about half the divers who brought the boys out were SEALs.

 

Also, a Thai Navy doctor and nurse were the first medics to dive into the chamber and take care of the boys.

 

If you watch some of the videos made during the preperations for the extraction you get some idea of how hard those 200+ guys were working in extreme conditions - laying ropes and carrying air tanks to all the relay points along the way.

 

She can be justifiably proud of her countrymen, as we can be all be proud of our own.

 

Is parental consent applicable here

5 hours ago, tandor said:

..why say 'he admitted'..to me implies he was lying before or holding back the truth..Im quite sure they freely stated the information..once again poor reporting...IMHO

I agree. Why not say "he explained" or "he revealed".

2 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Don't shut her up. 

 

The Thai SEALs had a massive part in the operation and (IIRC) about half the divers who brought the boys out were SEALs.

 

Also, a Thai Navy doctor and nurse were the first medics to dive into the chamber and take care of the boys.

 

If you watch some of the videos made during the preperations for the extraction you get some idea of how hard those 200+ guys were working in extreme conditions - laying ropes and carrying air tanks to all the relay points along the way.

 

She can be justifiably proud of her countrymen, as we can be all be proud of our own.

 

Were I one of the many divers involved, I would be very proud of myself and no matter what happened to me in life, I would know that I stepped up to the plate when required.

Many times its better in a dangerous situation like this its better the general public do not know too many details. These divers are the professionals and also one is a trained medical doctor. Thankfully and successfully they achieved an unbelievable result.  

2 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Don't shut her up. 

 

The Thai SEALs had a massive part in the operation and (IIRC) about half the divers who brought the boys out were SEALs.

 

Also, a Thai Navy doctor and nurse were the first medics to dive into the chamber and take care of the boys.

 

If you watch some of the videos made during the preperations for the extraction you get some idea of how hard those 200+ guys were working in extreme conditions - laying ropes and carrying air tanks to all the relay points along the way.

 

She can be justifiably proud of her countrymen, as we can be all be proud of our own.

 

Very very well said.

How ridiculous it be to think that 3-4 guys did the whole job themself?

But the Thai side have even given credit for the extraordinary job done by foriegners, so hard for the haters to spin this a bad way.

but they still try!!

 

13 hours ago, chrisinth said:

Nowhere in the attached article can I see where it says that the boys were 'heavily sedated'. 

 

The quote that I do see is:

"They did have some sedation to keep them calm, because the worst thing that could happen would be one of the guys panicking."

 

IMO, some sedation and heavily sedated are two completely different things. Still, regardless, it was a life saving operation, if it was necessary, then it was necessary. Thankfully all completed successfully.

 

Perhaps more unsettling was that these comments came from an ex-vet......................

The little bit of video I've seen showed them completely out of it. I agree with other posters that it was the most sensible thing to do. Any panic would have been fatal.

 

Agree also that Prayut would have preferred a 'heroic' spin with the boys assisting in their own rescue.

 

As regards one of the rescuers being a vet, if I had been trapped down there I wouldn't have cared less about that just as long he got me out. In the circumstances, I would suggest a vet, who would be pretty skilled in first aid, regardless of the species, would be more useful than, say, a politician.......

I never doubted they would be. if I were trapped like that, I would have insisted on being sedated

 

10 hours ago, catman20 said:

i got some Thai girl singing praises about the Thai navy seals and what a big part they played in the rescue, ? most of the news seems to be for the Brits and the ozzys, how big was the part of the Thai navy seals ? id love to shut her up.

That should be really easy !! Not a hope in hell would the Brits and Aussies and other experts would have been invited if Thai Seals had the necessary skill set. Clearly they don't and fair play to Thai officialdom in reckonising that early on . If they had of gone alone in the rescue in my opinion it would have had disastrous consequences . 

2 hours ago, doodle said:

The little bit of video I've seen showed them completely out of it. I agree with other posters that it was the most sensible thing to do. Any panic would have been fatal.

 

Agree also that Prayut would have preferred a 'heroic' spin with the boys assisting in their own rescue.

 

As regards one of the rescuers being a vet, if I had been trapped down there I wouldn't have cared less about that just as long he got me out. In the circumstances, I would suggest a vet, who would be pretty skilled in first aid, regardless of the species, would be more useful than, say, a politician.......

For sure re the vet. Maybe he wouldn't be up to speed in doses but he would sure know how to do the injections. And as you say a broad knowledge of first aid I'm sure . 

I knew when they put up the visual barriers to hide the entrance that they were expecting that people would be coming out on stretchers, and didn't want the press freaking out. It's why I kept asking for updates on the health of the boys in hospital afterwards (in spite of the nunks that always replied "they got them out, why isn't that enough?"). A dead boy dragged out of the cave is not better than a live boy trapped in a cave.

 

It's a good thing it took them a couple days to get the water level down, that gave them time to feed the boys and get their metabolism levels partially normalized, which helped them survive the sedation. If they'd been weaker the sedation could very well have killed them, and it was probably a very tricky thing to know how much to give each boy. I doubt it was "half a xanax for everyone", but probably counting out customized doses in milligrams. One boy came out with an "irregular heart beat", that tells me it was a close thing for that one boy, just a little more of the sedative would have done him in.

 

I'm still very interested to find out what drug they used and how it was administered (because that will yield info on how accurately the dosage was controlled)

 

 

34 minutes ago, jerry921 said:

I knew when they put up the visual barriers to hide the entrance that they were expecting that people would be coming out on stretchers, and didn't want the press freaking out. It's why I kept asking for updates on the health of the boys in hospital afterwards (in spite of the nunks that always replied "they got them out, why isn't that enough?"). A dead boy dragged out of the cave is not better than a live boy trapped in a cave.

 

It's a good thing it took them a couple days to get the water level down, that gave them time to feed the boys and get their metabolism levels partially normalized, which helped them survive the sedation. If they'd been weaker the sedation could very well have killed them, and it was probably a very tricky thing to know how much to give each boy. I doubt it was "half a xanax for everyone", but probably counting out customized doses in milligrams. One boy came out with an "irregular heart beat", that tells me it was a close thing for that one boy, just a little more of the sedative would have done him in.

 

I'm still very interested to find out what drug they used and how it was administered (because that will yield info on how accurately the dosage was controlled)

 

 

wasnt the guy a trained anesthetist?

4 hours ago, doodle said:

As regards one of the rescuers being a vet, if I had been trapped down there I wouldn't have cared less about that just as long he got me out. In the circumstances, I would suggest a vet, who would be pretty skilled in first aid, regardless of the species, would be more useful than, say, a politician.......

Both the anaesthiologist and the vet would have a specialised understanding of sedation. This isn't for amateurs - it would take tremendous experience and judgement to decide the right dosage for a varied group of people in varying states of health, all traumatised and undernourished, using only an estimate of their different bodyweight, and all in conditions of reduced oxygen. Heavy sedation is typically given under very controlled circumstances and none of the usual controls were in place here... what they were taking on was very risky, but they appear to have judged it to perfection. 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, catman20 said:

i got some Thai girl singing praises about the Thai navy seals and what a big part they played in the rescue, ? most of the news seems to be for the Brits and the ozzys, how big was the part of the Thai navy seals ? id love to shut her up.

This may not shut HER up but ....

 

Edited July 17, 20187 yr by AYJAYDEE

32 minutes ago, AYJAYDEE said:

wasnt the guy a trained anesthetist?

Of course, that was the only reason it was even possible. Still very very risky. See lamyai3's post just below yours.

 

1 minute ago, jerry921 said:

Of course, that was the only reason it was even possible. Still very very risky. See lamyai3's post just below yours.

 

I guess thats why he insisted the government sign a waiver

 

Was reading on nine msn that the OZ doctor dived on every one of those rescue missions to watch over the boys in case of an emergency then went back to sedate and escort them out again. Thats 6 trips for him...He did what he had to do and I think hero is an understatement

The sedation probably also saved the boys the memory of the probably traumatizing dives.

1 hour ago, fathersicksendmoney said:

Was reading on nine msn that the OZ doctor dived on every one of those rescue missions to watch over the boys in case of an emergency then went back to sedate and escort them out again. Thats 6 trips for him...He did what he had to do and I think hero is an understatement

Let's hope that the Australian government now do the proper thing and award them both for their actions.If what they done isn't the definition of a hero i don't know what is. 

They were asked to preform an incredible task and they delivered on the world stage. 

3 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

wasnt the guy a trained anesthetist?

Not sure.  There are anesthetists, basically a specialized nurse, and anesthesiologists.  The latter is a licensed medical doctor who specializes in administering anesthetics.  Had a young gal who lived across the street who was an anesthesiologist. She could put me asleep any time. But her husband was a surgical nurse, so I didn't intrude. 

Edited July 18, 20187 yr by Damrongsak

8 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

Not sure.  There are anesthetists, basically a specialized nurse, and anesthesiologists.  The latter is a licensed medical doctor who specializes in administering anesthetics.  Had a young gal who lived across the street who was an anesthesiologist. 

an anesthetist is a doctor in australia

19 hours ago, HooHaa said:

i can comprehend how this is even an issue worth discussing ad nauseum, given the success rate was 100 percent.

Probably the best comment. All said. Thnx!

5 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Both the anaesthiologist and the vet would have a specialised understanding of sedation. This isn't for amateurs - it would take tremendous experience and judgement to decide the right dosage for a varied group of people in varying states of health, all traumatised and undernourished, using only an estimate of their different bodyweight, and all in conditions of reduced oxygen. Heavy sedation is typically given under very controlled circumstances and none of the usual controls were in place here... what they were taking on was very risky, but they appear to have judged it to perfection. 

I would have thought that vets would have to be even more precise with their levels of sedation, after all if a human wakes up during an operation it is not the end of the world, but a tiger..........

18 hours ago, catman20 said:

i got some Thai girl singing praises about the Thai navy seals and what a big part they played in the rescue, ? most of the news seems to be for the Brits and the ozzys, how big was the part of the Thai navy seals ? id love to shut her up.

Without the Thai divers resupplying the air tanks, among many other tasks, the foreign divers could not have done their part, ie they were ESSENTIAL to the rescue.

Seems some just can't abide the idea that Thais could actually do something.

BTW, the dives they did were just as difficult as those the foreign divers did.

Respect to the Thai divers.

 

I remember when a poster told us that it was apparently being reported in Oz that the Aussies were the only ones involved.  

2 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

Not sure.  There are anesthetists, basically a specialized nurse, and anesthesiologists.  The latter is a licensed medical doctor who specializes in administering anesthetics.  Had a young gal who lived across the street who was an anesthesiologist. She could put me asleep any time. But her husband was a surgical nurse, so I didn't intrude. 

I worked in a British hospital theatre for many years and the Drs that did anaesthetics were all called anaethetists. I never heard them called anesthesiologists. The only non Drs involved were ODAs ( operating department assistants ) that prepared the patients and handed stuff to the Drs. Perhaps Australia is different.

I would not like a nurse with a bit of extra training putting me to sleep.

58 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I worked in a British hospital theatre for many years and the Drs that did anaesthetics were all called anaethetists. I never heard them called anesthesiologists. The only non Drs involved were ODAs ( operating department assistants ) that prepared the patients and handed stuff to the Drs. Perhaps Australia is different.

I would not like a nurse with a bit of extra training putting me to sleep.

It's just different versions of English. From wikipedia:

 

An anesthesiologist is a physician [MD/DO] trained in anesthesia and perioperative medicine.

The title of the role varies between countries. In countries following the practice of North America, those specializing in the field are termed anesthesiologists, but in the United Kingdom and current or former member countries of the Commonwealth of Nations, such providers use the title anesthetist instead.

 

Edit: wikipedia redirects anesthetist to anesthesiologist, but has a separate page for nurse anesthetist

Edited July 18, 20187 yr by jerry921
addl info

This is not “news” I read about this before and during the rescue.