Yellow Tabien Baan (House Registration Book) / Non-Thai ID but actually renting in different province?

[pbrock]

My Thai friend would put me on their Yellow Tabien Baan (House Registration Book) and help me to obtain Non-Thai ID.

 

Is it bad If i am rarely in that place and actually living in a nearby different province? If bad, how bad?

[ubonjoe]

The only problem is that anything you use the yellow book to prove your address will be for the address shown on it. Not good if they will be sending you mail.

[pbrock]

Thanks for your answer!

 

The mail is part of it. I like to receive mail there. I fully trust my friend.

[crazykopite]

I have. Yellow book it can be very useful so it’s worth getting I was also given an ID card with it if I recall the total cost was 500 baht and as I am in my 60s they told me it is for life so no having to go back and renew it . Life is so much easier when doing your yearly extension of stay at immigration  no need for lease agreements I just hand in my book at that’s it  another advantage is that you no longer need to go to immigration to purchase a letter of confirmation of address if buying a vehicle or renewing your drivers licence. I am not sure if it’s a good idea to get a yellow book by fraudulent means if I am right you will not be living there but living in another province I think if you were caught you could be in big trouble if it’s only for Mail is it worth it I think not  .

[edwardflory]

My 2 THB worth:

I think the word is "FRAUD"

It's things like this that bolster all the new immigration rules they put in place, when someone is caught. 

 

Get a "certificate of residence", based on where you live - then you might change your mind about getting the driver's license,  make a wallet size copy - entirely legal to carry....that's about as far as I will go ... ( actually I could never find a friends car to take the test )

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, edwardflory said:

I think the word is "FRAUD"

Why? Thais have house book registries for where they are not actually living.

17 minutes ago, edwardflory said:

It's things like this that bolster all the new immigration rules they put in place, when someone is caught. 

What does immigration have to do with getting a yellow house book? They are issued at an Amphoe.

[jackdd]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Why? Thais have house book registries for where they are not actually living. 

Which is against the law and they could theoretically be fined for it, but as many things in Thailand not enforced.

 

So in reality nobody cares about if house registrations are up to date, so OP can just go ahead.

[FritsSikkink]

20 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Why? Thais have house book registries for where they are not actually living.

What does immigration have to do with getting a yellow house book? They are issued at an Amphoe.

A lot drive without a helmet too, doesn't make it legal though.

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Which is against the law and they could theoretically be fined for it, but as many things in Thailand not enforced.

Not sure it is against the law.

Many Thai's have no choice since they cannot be registered in a house book for where they are actually living. They do not own a house and cannot get permission of the house master where they are living to do it. Many stay in rented rooms, apartments, houses and etc.

[jackdd]

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure it is against the law. 

Many Thai's have no choice since they cannot be registered in a house book for where they are actually living. They do not own a house and cannot get permission of the house master where they are living to do it. Many stay in rented rooms, apartments, houses and etc. 

That's actually not true, but reflects the understanding of most Thais as well.

 

Two official sources, sadly only available in Thai:

Here is the end user friendly version: http://www.bora.dopa.go.th/CallCenter1548/index.php/menu-population/13-service-handbook/population/23-population-house

And here the actual law on which it is based: http://local.moi.go.th/law92.pdf

 

It's been a while since i went through it, but in this law you will find a paragraph that clearly says:

The housemaster has to register a person living at their place within 15 days.

Another paragraph saying that the housemaster has to notify within 15 days when a person moves out.

I assume that they can be fined if they don't comply with it.

 

So as long as the place where a Thai is moving in has a house book (which is every building unless it's maybe a slum hut) he/she has to be registered in the house book according to law.

Of course i don't know if in reality you can force a housemaster to register you in the house book if he refuses to do so, but i see a possibility, maybe requiring a "tip" for the persons at the amphoe.

If it is important to be registered in the house book a Thai should probably make this clear before signing a rental contract.

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, jackdd said:

That's actually not true, but reflects the understanding of most Thais as well.

That may be true that it is in an old and outdated law. 

But in reality it is virtually not enforceable in this day and age and is certainly not enforced.

How would a person living in small rented room get registered in house book? 

[Cheops]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Why? Thais have house book registries for where they are not actually living.

What does immigration have to do with getting a yellow house book? They are issued at an Amphoe.

Indeed, a lot of Thais live somewhere else. It's way too much hassle if you rent a place. Most owners are not cooperative. Maybe by law you could force them?

 

Immigration really has nothing to do with this.

 

Thais see this as just an address which is officially registered for the government. Nothing more nothing less. If you ask Thais, they will answer you that it's not needed to stay there (rightfully or not, most people don't know,  but this is what they believe)

[jackdd]

12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That may be true that it is in an old and outdated law. 

But in reality it is virtually not enforceable in this day and age and is certainly not enforced.

How would a person living in small rented room get registered in house book? 

Yes, it is not enforced, so OP can do what he wants with his yellow book.

But if a Thai wants to be registered and the housemaster does not want to do it maybe the housemaster can be forced.

 

To register "a person living in small rented room" would be the same as one living in a house or condo, see here for details:

http://www.bora.dopa.go.th/CallCenter1548/index.php/menu-population/13-service-handbook/population/29-population-add-name

 

I don't know what would happen if somebody has an apartment and wants to register more people than the house book has pages ?

[PhonThong]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure it is against the law.

Many Thai's have no choice since they cannot be registered in a house book for where they are actually living. They do not own a house and cannot get permission of the house master where they are living to do it. Many stay in rented rooms, apartments, houses and etc.

Many are still on the parents house book, even though they have moved away. They might be renting and not able to obtain a house book of their own. Perfectly acceptable.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

Which is against the law and they could theoretically be fined for it, but as many things in Thailand not enforced.

The 'House Book' registration is merely an antiquated running census of the population.

 

That's why a Thai can only be registered in one blue book, otherwise the census figures wouldn't be accurate.

A Thai can own several properties and have several blue books, one for each house, but they can only choose to be named in one book.

 

Many Thais who are on family books back in their remote villages, locate to cities in order to find work.

They rent accommodation and the landlord cannot be forced to include them on a their book.

The landlord must willingly agree and sign a consent form.

The Thai 'renter' would also have to return to his Amphur in the local village to have his name removed from the family book, who would issue a form allowing the other Amphur to add him to the landlords address.

It's not practical, or workable.

 

This form of antiquated census by house registration causes lots of problems for the Thais and in certain instances they are forced to make choices which are detrimental and complicates other services they are entitled to.

 

[jackdd]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

The 'House Book' registration is merely an antiquated running census of the population.

You have to differ between the house book and the registration procedure. The house book as document is ineed antiquated.

But the registration procedure here in Thailand is quite similar to for example Germany, and probably to most other European countries as well.

 

8 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That's why a Thai can only be registered in one blue book, otherwise the census figures wouldn't be accurate.

I think it's not so much about the census as a plain number, but more about how tax and government services are distributed.

[Anthony Loh]

3 hours ago, crazykopite said:

I have. Yellow book it can be very useful so it’s worth getting I was also given an ID card with it if I recall the total cost was 500 baht and as I am in my 60s they told me it is for life so no having to go back and renew it . Life is so much easier when doing your yearly extension of stay at immigration  no need for lease agreements I just hand in my book at that’s it  another advantage is that you no longer need to go to immigration to purchase a letter of confirmation of address if buying a vehicle or renewing your drivers licence. I am not sure if it’s a good idea to get a yellow book by fraudulent means if I am right you will not be living there but living in another province I think if you were caught you could be in big trouble if it’s only for Mail is it worth it I think not  .

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Totally agree with you

 

[Alphim]

If one is registered on a Yellow Tabien Baan (Wifes house) but is only in the country for f ior less than full time ( i.e 3 months in 3 months out) does a TM 30 have to be submitted every time one returns to Thailand?

[Tanoshi]

9 minutes ago, jackdd said:

You have to differ between the house book and the registration procedure. The house book as document is ineed antiquated.

But the registration procedure here in Thailand is quite similar to for example Germany, and probably to most other European countries as well.

 

I think it's not so much about the census as a plain number, but more about how tax and government services are distributed.

Well they have to register a new born within so many days (or face fines) under the 'Civil Registration Act' so they be added to a house book.

I don't know how you can separate the two, they go hand in glove with each other.

 

I'd say both. Your quite correct that the Provinces are run like autonomous regions, which can cause complications for Thais when they rent and work in different Provinces.

 

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, Alphim said:

If one is registered on a Yellow Tabien Baan (Wifes house) but is only in the country for f ior less than full time ( i.e 3 months in 3 months out) does a TM 30 have to be submitted every time one returns to Thailand?

Having a yellow house book does not change the requirements for TM30 reporting.

Whether you have do it every time you leave and return depends upon the office you report to.

[Tanoshi]

13 minutes ago, Alphim said:

If one is registered on a Yellow Tabien Baan (Wifes house) but is only in the country for f ior less than full time ( i.e 3 months in 3 months out) does a TM 30 have to be submitted every time one returns to Thailand?

Two completely different Acts.

 

Whether you have to file a new TM30 when returning to the Kingdom, will depend or your local Immigrations interpretation and enforcement under the Immigration Act. (which office do you report to?)

 

A Yellow Tabien Baan is issued under the 'Civil Registration Act' and is determined by your local Amphurs requirements, nothing to do with Immigration.

[Alphim]

36 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Having a yellow house book does not change the requirements for TM30 reporting.

Whether you have do it every time you leave and return depends upon the office you report to.

Thanks Ubonjoe.

[Alphim]

29 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Two completely different Acts.

 

Whether you have to file a new TM30 when returning to the Kingdom, will depend or your local Immigrations interpretation and enforcement under the Immigration Act. (which office do you report to?)

 

A Yellow Tabien Baan is issued under the 'Civil Registration Act' and is determined by your local Amphurs requirements, nothing to do with Immigration.

Thanks Tanoshi, as my wifes house is in Nawamin 74 I believe it will be Chang Watthana. 

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, Alphim said:

Thanks Tanoshi, as my wifes house is in Nawamin 74 I believe it will be Chang Watthana. 

Chaeng Wattana immigration does not ask for TM30 reports.

[Alphim]

 

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Chaeng Wattana immigration does not ask for TM30 reports.

Again, thank you very much. 

[gamini]

On 7/19/2018 at 9:13 AM, crazykopite said:

I have. Yellow book it can be very useful so it’s worth getting I was also given an ID card with it if I recall the total cost was 500 baht and as I am in my 60s they told me it is for life so no having to go back and renew it . Life is so much easier when doing your yearly extension of stay at immigration  no need for lease agreements I just hand in my book at that’s it  another advantage is that you no longer need to go to immigration to purchase a letter of confirmation of address if buying a vehicle or renewing your drivers licence. I am not sure if it’s a good idea to get a yellow book by fraudulent means if I am right you will not be living there but living in another province I think if you were caught you could be in big trouble if it’s only for Mail is it worth it I think not  .

You dont need a yellow book for extension of stay at immigration. In the 35 years that I have been living here, I would never have found a single use for it. However, if you got a non Thai pink ID, it is useful.

[Russell17au]

My Thai friend would put me on their Yellow Tabien Baan (House Registration Book) and help me to obtain Non-Thai ID.

 

Since when has Thai's been issued with "Yellow" Tabien Baan? All the Thai's that I know including my wife all have "Blue" Tabien Baan's, so how is the OP's Thai friend going to put him in their "Yellow" Tabien Baan and being a farang he cannot be put in the "Blue" Tabien Baan so something does not sound right with this. I think the OP would have to apply for his own "Yellow" Tabien Baan and I know that at some of the Amphur offices they require a Residence Certificate from immigration or they will not issue a "Yellow" Tabien Baan. I have just gone through this in Khon Kaen.

[Thailand J]

5 hours ago, gamini said:

You dont need a yellow book for extension of stay at immigration. In the 35 years that I have been living here, I would never have found a single use for it

You don't need it for extension but it can be proof of address at the immigration office when required.

5 hours ago, gamini said:

However, if you got a non Thai pink ID, it is useful.

What do you use it for? I only use it as ID at Thai government hospitals. I don't know if i am getting a discount because there were no one to compare to.

[Tanoshi]

7 hours ago, Thailand J said:

You don't need it for extension but it can be proof of address at the immigration office when required.

What do you use it for? I only use it as ID at Thai government hospitals. I don't know if i am getting a discount because there were no one to compare to.

With a few exceptions you can use your House Registration book and the Thai ID card for foreigners in exactly the same way and for the same purposes the Thais use their proof of address and ID.

[chuang]

Much ado about nothing...?