TSF Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Well if it wasn't for those damn foreigners all those kids would be dead by now, but Thais must get the boot into farang somewhere, somehow, so nothing surprising here. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya1234was Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 overherebc-I suggest you read post 52. Ethics and politics do not go together. To me your opinion is wrong. Topics do not have to be political.. The Thais ,and many others would agree, that the boys need protecting from the media for a while. Public interest does not over-ride decisions in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, TSF said: Well if it wasn't for those damn foreigners all those kids would be dead by now, but Thais must get the boot into farang somewhere, somehow, so nothing surprising here. Are you suggesting that because foreigner rescuers were involved in the rescue , that gives foreign media a right to disregard the Thai request not follow the kids around ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jesimps Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 Blame the families, not the journalists. Jeez, the Thais will sell their own granny for a few bob, it's no surprise that they'll let their kids be interviewed for what I reckon will be a substantial amount. If I know kids, and I'm speaking from experience because I was one once, they'll be over their experience in a very short time. Probably even enjoy all the notoriety and even end up rich. The junta are just annoyed because they probably want a piece of this pie. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 There is a foreign gravy train passing and they are peeved that they're not on it. They want to get on board and impose double pricing. The alleged protection of the kids is an excuse. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lemonltr said: There is a foreign gravy train passing and they are peeved that they're not on it. They want to get on board and impose double pricing. The alleged protection of the kids is an excuse. What on earth are you talking about? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Naturally, Thai media are the paradigms of journalistic virtue. But it is time the story was laid to rest. The kids and their coach aren't heroes; they're the fortunate recipients of others' heroism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 So... Give them time...ask later. Media is there to ask questions. When people avoid questions makes the decision not to answer slightly suspect. We all know Thai media have a short leash. If not for foreigners these boys would definitely lost their lives. Thailand asked for help from the international community and now bashes that same community when questions are asked. It appears there is a fear that all accounts of this story will not gel. When the boys surfaced they had a very controlled press conference where a select few of them handle question with more than one word answers. For me I'm glad they got out safely but a life was sacrificed to make that possible. My only questions would be: Why did the coach decide to make this trip during the rainy season and did he check the weather forecast before going into the cave? In today's world the Truth is sometimes avoided to control the narrative until someone is persistent and demands their questions are answered. Only then can we make an accurate judgement. If you need an example just look at Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaZa9 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 hours ago, kannot said: money money money.......theyd sell their own daughters...............oh wait! Oh , the irony . Especially when its the foreign TV networks making millions of dollars out of stories like this ! But go ahead ...accuse the exploited... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMonroe Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Having seen interviews with the boys on CBS in the US, the parents were present during the interviews. Obviously, they consented. I think the government has the right intention, but if a journalist asks for the interview, ultimately the parents have the right to decide. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha23 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Jeremy50 said: 'An uproar on Thai social media'. Is that supposed to be significant? And if so, why? only if it's caused by pesky farang who should not be here!!! "not their country, go home, thai people know best" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya28 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 8 hours ago, rooster59 said: The interview created an uproar on the Thai social media any "uproar" video ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheops Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, RobertH said: Journalists want to get a story. It's their job. But when it comes to children, victims of sexual assault, etc., there are ethical considerations concerning the welfare of those people versus the desire or need to tell a story or report the news. Unfortunately, not all journalists adhere to these ethical considerations. Especially television journalists. Whether you like the Thai authorities or not, in this instance, they are doing the right thing, and they are following the advice of doctors and psychologists in doing so. Thai and ethical.... I guess you are either not living in Thailand or not so long. Thai authorities can't control/sensor this and are afraid of missing out some money. That's what they are worried about. If Thai authorities are worried about the welfare of the people, they would jail the PE teacher who is accused of raping/molesting many kids during his investigation (iso setting up a commision ), they would take actions to stop the 70 traffic deaths per day and they would not commit graft of the (gotta love this one) setup foundations to help people in need!!!!!!!!! I can give much more examples, but you get the point! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NOWHERE Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, pattaya1234was said: overherebc-I suggest you read post 52. Ethics and politics do not go together. To me your opinion is wrong. Topics do not have to be political.. The Thais ,and many others would agree, that the boys need protecting from the media for a while. Public interest does not over-ride decisions in this case. Boys need protecting? that would be be the parents concern, yes? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerfeet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 9 hours ago, ezzra said: God forbid that the precious and fragile kids will be interviewed by a foreign media, this is what media do, including Thai media, and for the boys have been released home being found able to resume normal life, i don't see what's the problem here apart from a guy who's got his nose out of joint for some inexplicable reason... obviously not paid the correct amount to the correct people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rasg Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 My wife showed me three different boys interviewed by a BBC journo in Thailand yesterday. Then saw the US interview (ABC?). Unless the Thai Government expells the foreign journalists this was inevitable. Make hay while the sun shines. Good luck to them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 If the Thai "authorities" and psychologists really want to keep the media (that they can't control - i.e. foreign) away from boys, they should consider putting the boys back in the cave... could perhaps even consider using their new sub. Sarcasm alert, for anybody unsure..!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The boys and their families are not the property of the State and may choose to talk to who they like in their own homes. That is fine by me. Incidentally; in the BP; it is reported that the government assigned full-time minders to the boys and they all went missing when the press interviews took place. Why? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 ..making the bacon.....and the drippings cover a lot of mouths... open for the swallowing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 ...with the mountains of cases of corruption...and worse...at the hands of local 'officials'....or...'professionals'... ...never seen them care to string together those words against those individuals... ...yet they are so readily used to describe foreigners.. *** ...what do you call that...??? *** ...personal experience...don't drink...smoke...or randomly chase women..... ...or worse...as we read here daily.... ...yet...inevitably...someone will string some words together...to find blame to cast on me... *** ...again...what do you call that...??? ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DFPhuket Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 I am actually a psychologist currently working in Thailand. I was living in Japan and worked with people there after one of the large earthquakes and offered post-earthquake counseling support. I happen to be on holiday in the US and saw the interview on the evening news. I was pleasantly surprised that the journalist was appropriately respectful and didn't ask any questions that would have been harmful to the boy. People who survive a traumatic event usually have a need to talk about it and it can indeed be cathartic. My assessment is that his particular interview caused no harm. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I saw the interview. So what. The kid enjoyed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonhia Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Here we go again! They forget that the boys plight and life's plus that of the rescuers involved, not forgetting the lose of a life, was manufactured by a Thai, and that foreign aid was sought because Thai officials had no idea as to what to do or what the internal mapping of their own caves were, at the time of the rescue!!! These people cannot accept defeat or wrong doing. Always having to find an alternative excuse to hide the truth. Have they something to hide? Edited July 21, 2018 by Sonhia Addition 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boudak Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 19 hours ago, Orton Rd said: oh dear can't vet the questions by the nasty foreigners who are probably giving them a few baht for an interview. Nobody has to agree to any interviews it's should be left up to the families, not anybody else. I couldn't agree more. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavCurtis Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 What a wow! Media again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lamyai3 Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 5 hours ago, DFPhuket said: I am actually a psychologist currently working in Thailand. I was living in Japan and worked with people there after one of the large earthquakes and offered post-earthquake counseling support. I happen to be on holiday in the US and saw the interview on the evening news. I was pleasantly surprised that the journalist was appropriately respectful and didn't ask any questions that would have been harmful to the boy. People who survive a traumatic event usually have a need to talk about it and it can indeed be cathartic. My assessment is that his particular interview caused no harm. Completely agree. Anyone who conducts an exploitative interview should be lambasted for it, but this is unlikely given the tone of international media coverage throughout the story up till now. A sensitively conducted interview with a suitable payment directly to the family of the boy (without any agents or middlemen) seems pretty reasonable, and this is a story that people are still genuinely interested in around the world. I'm much more suspicious of authorities here who seeking to impose gagging orders for their own purposes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBangkok Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 21 hours ago, overherebc said: I followed the story like everyone else and was happy when all the kids were out and safe. I also posted that it was good to read the kids were calm and did all the right things to help each other during the ordeal, note I'm not picking a hero. I doubt very much if the sensationalist media can report it as such. They need to have drama and excitement in their stories and will twist facts to reflect that ( based on what they want to hear ) Interview the divers and rescue teams, not the kids. Let the kids go back to school and their football and leave them alone. Kids can and will be easily led in interviews and quotes will be made based on the interviewrs 'what I think he really meant was xxxxx' I can already see an editor's reaction 'this is just a report about the kids sitting quietly, meditating and waiting patiently for rescue they 100% believed was on the way, it's boring, I need more drama and excitement if it's going on the front page,' You like reading boring stuff? Or do you like reading exciting stuff? Regards A journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBangkok Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 20 hours ago, recom273 said: Let me rewrite this story Justice deputy permanent secretary Thawatchai Thaikhieu today expressed disappointment at the conduct of one of the families who defied advice of psychiatrists and child welfare officials against interviewing the young members of the Wild Boars soccer team after they were discharged from the hospital. “Some parents have denied their responsible duties in favour of a small yet substantial brown envelope which is something regrettable and unforgivable,” wrote Mr Thawatchai in his Facebook page. He was apparently responding to an interview that a correspondent of ABC News had with one of the young survivors from Tham Luang cave. The interview created an uproar on the Thai social media after it was aired last night, prompting calls for Thai authorities to take action against the parents who sold their son out for a couple of hundred dollars. If the families earn a lot of money frome these interviews, some of the boys might turn up next month with an expensive watch and the family might get into trouble with the tax authorities for having unusual and unreported wealth. No problem: Watches borrowed from a dead friend 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBangkok Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 18 hours ago, overherebc said: It's not so much the interviews it's the crap that reporters write. Lots of 'get out clauses' It's my belief that blah blah. From what 'I' understand it seems blah blah. It isn't confirmed but blah blah. Another source has been reported as saying blah blah. It might be lost in translation however it also seems blah blah. You really don't like journalists do you? I suggest you stop consuming news media and start writing your own news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, MartinBangkok said: You like reading boring stuff? Or do you like reading exciting stuff? Regards A journalist As a journalist could you re-write that saying what you think or believe I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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