Quick survey about the 90 day report

[Sally0]

Hey guys, I am doing a research about the services being offered by the Thai Government. More specifically, I am focusing on the 90 Day report. Could you guys please help me fill out a quick 1-2 minute survey so that I can work to improve the experience of expatriates living in Thailand?

[noise]

I clicked other because I do not see AGENT listed.  If that is the messenger service, that choice is misleading.  

 

If you want comments, I suggest a little more detail.  I want to say that all the govt offers is the processing of the paperwork, acknowledging the address.  The choices I see on how we do it are simply the avenue by which the TM-47 gets there.   Maybe one could say the Immigration Web Site is a Immigration service, but to me it is just a delivery option like the post office.  Both just deliver the notification of address to Immigration.  So I am at a loss on how you will use this information.  Of course, I do not have to understand, I am just reacting to what I read.

 

Given that, I would specially like to understand exactly what you had in mind when you wrote "improve the experience of expatriates".    Those of us that have to do the 90 day come in so many different categories, that I would think you would have included different categories in your survey.   You have, for example, condo owners with blue books, married expats with yellow books, single expats with yellow books, married and single with pink ID cards.  One could argue those could be exempt from the 90 day......  maybe, if you can trust expats?

 

And then  you have "transients" that move once or twice a year.   Others move out of their rented domicile, go home for a month or two, come back on a re-entry visa on their retirement "visa" and then find a new apartment/condo to rent.  

 

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[Kwasaki]

50 minutes ago, Sally0 said:

so that I can work to improve the experience of expatriates living in Thailand?

Do away with the 90 day for those who live here.

[Sheryl]

15 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Do away with the 90 day for those who live here.

Agree for those on 1 year extensions of stay - require initial registration of address in Thailand (TM 30) and then notification of any change of address, period. Makes no sense for people who have settled down here (retirees, people with Thai families) to have to keep reporting their same address over and over. Serves no purpose whatsoever and makes unnecessary work both for the expats and immigration staff.

 

And while at it, consider allowing more than 1 year extension of stay at a time for people on retirement or spousal extensions after say the first 5 years provided all immigration requirements have been fully complied with and no police record.

 

 

[seajae]

no box for marriage/spouse extension visa, agree with Sheryl, its stupid having to do 90 day reports every 3 months when you have lived here with your wife/family for years at the same address. The immigration staff wave and chat with me every time I see them  even outside the office, having to let them know I still live at the same address is beyond a joke, also agree with longer visas, maybe a 2 or 5 year one for those that live here full time. This really needs some sorting out and to make it easier for long term residents, being treated like criminals for not being a thai is stupid

[Kwasaki]

15 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Agree for those on 1 year extensions of stay

Yes I would like to see what you suggest just give immigration the 1,900 every year or pay a lump sum for 3 years say.

That said this year has been different for us:-

At immigration they wanted more from us doing the marriage extension a took 2 hours instead of usual 30 mins in the past.

Something not done before was they telephone our house phone to say our papers were back, bring passport in for the 1 year stamp but also asked where my wife was.

Today had a visit from 2 Tourist policemen wanting to see my visa in the passport !!    it took them a while before they said where's your visa, & said look at first page the stamp was showing visa status and transfer details from previous passport.

They took photos of passport pages, my yellow book, my drivers licence and one of me along side a policeman.

 

Something is going on, I guess.

 

[RobertM]

Yes it is maddening to have to report every 90 days.  I live in Chiang Mai and have to get up in the middle of the night to sit at the cue at immigration until they open at 8am.  Finally I learned i able  to mail to the paperwork 15 days before the due date.  Just include a self addressed stamped envelope and it has been working for 2 years.  Perhaps all immigration offices will allow this?

[Kwasaki]

19 minutes ago, RobertM said:

Yes it is maddening to have to report every 90 days.  I live in Chiang Mai and have to get up in the middle of the night to sit at the cue at immigration until they open at 8am.  Finally I learned i able  to mail to the paperwork 15 days before the due date.  Just include a self addressed stamped envelope and it has been working for 2 years.  Perhaps all immigration offices will allow this?

What I think and probably the reason is there is to many scumbags in Thailand making it difficult for making things easier for the long living non-imm people like myself here. 

[Small Joke]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Yes I would like to see what you suggest just give immigration the 1,900 every year or pay a lump sum for 3 years say.

That said this year has been different for us:-

At immigration they wanted more from us doing the marriage extension a took 2 hours instead of usual 30 mins in the past.

Something not done before was they telephone our house phone to say our papers were back, bring passport in for the 1 year stamp but also asked where my wife was.

Today had a visit from 2 Tourist policemen wanting to see my visa in the passport !!    it took them a while before they said where's your visa, & said look at first page the stamp was showing visa status and transfer details from previous passport.

They took photos of passport pages, my yellow book, my drivers licence and one of me along side a policeman.

 

Something is going on, I guess.

 

Whoa,  if this happened to me out of the blue, I'd be freaking out. It's plenty weird.

I agree that it's getting more detailed in it's bothersomeness, not less. I am in my second retirement  application  having been on a world tour to find a better deal, but missed the Sanook and my garden here, in spite of the official pain. 

This time, they duplicated every bit of paper work in Chiang Mai dear heaven copies of the Copies!  (will a set go to BKK?) also now obliged sign AND print name on everything,  and redo entire application in blue ink. Thai beauraracy is terrifying in it's banal instence on pointless and busywork detail. 

 

[Phuket Man]

It is no big deal to report every 90 days.

Keeps you on terms with the local Imm office.

[Sally0]

21 hours ago, noise said:

I clicked other because I do not see AGENT listed.  If that is the messenger service, that choice is misleading.  

 

If you want comments, I suggest a little more detail.  I want to say that all the govt offers is the processing of the paperwork, acknowledging the address.  The choices I see on how we do it are simply the avenue by which the TM-47 gets there.   Maybe one could say the Immigration Web Site is a Immigration service, but to me it is just a delivery option like the post office.  Both just deliver the notification of address to Immigration.  So I am at a loss on how you will use this information.  Of course, I do not have to understand, I am just reacting to what I read.

 

Given that, I would specially like to understand exactly what you had in mind when you wrote "improve the experience of expatriates".    Those of us that have to do the 90 day come in so many different categories, that I would think you would have included different categories in your survey.   You have, for example, condo owners with blue books, married expats with yellow books, single expats with yellow books, married and single with pink ID cards.  One could argue those could be exempt from the 90 day......  maybe, if you can trust expats?

 

And then  you have "transients" that move once or twice a year.   Others move out of their rented domicile, go home for a month or two, come back on a re-entry visa on their retirement "visa" and then find a new apartment/condo to rent.  

 

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First of all, I would like to apologize for the vagueness of our post. I am thinking about creating a mobile application that can replace the services being offered by the Thai Government in regards to expatriates doing their 90 Day report. I know that the survey may sound vague and you might wonder how the answers can be helpful but we try to get as much information as possible with the limited amount of questions (three questions) that ThaiVISA allows to ask in a single survey. Your answers are used to identify our target group and cater our features towards them for the mobile application.

[Sheryl]

If you coukd also take care of TM30 reports would be a big help. Some of us who frequently travel to other countries have to do TM30 more often than 90 day reports.

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[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, Sally0 said:

First of all, I would like to apologize for the vagueness of our post. I am thinking about creating a mobile application that can replace the services being offered by the Thai Government in regards to expatriates doing their 90 Day report. I know that the survey may sound vague and you might wonder how the answers can be helpful but we try to get as much information as possible with the limited amount of questions (three questions) that ThaiVISA allows to ask in a single survey. Your answers are used to identify our target group and cater our features towards them for the mobile application.

Are you aware that chonburi immigration already has an app for submitting documents, making an extension appointment etc. Although its not used for 90 day, it may be a plan for the future. Maybe check with them to make sure you are not both inventing the wheel. Also your survey appears to be missing one of the major demographics, "married to a Thai". Not much use having tourist on the list, they dont do 90 days.

 

 

[stevenl]

22 hours ago, noise said:

I clicked other because I do not see AGENT listed.  If that is the messenger service, that choice is misleading. 

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I clicked 'messenger' because I presume 'agent' was meant with that.

[whiteman]

smells to me that it could be a new client gathering site but I could  be wrong but any how i did not do the survey ?️‍♂️

[LongTimeLurker]

Where's Eastern Seaboard in the locations list?

[NCC1701A]

" so that I can work to improve the experience of expatriates living in Thailand?"

 

EVERYTHING a person experiences in Thailand is a function of corruption. Modern centralized computer systems takes the power away from many corrupt officials and puts in the hands of a few. cant have that.

 

90 day reporting is just a way to collect money if you forget to report. 2000 baht. thank you.

 

Copies and photos made at immigration? The person who runs that little gold mine out front of the immigration office is connected. She is very nice and very helpful. 153 baht thank you. But Mister Immigration person you just took my photo (twice) at your desk? Can't you "print" that also? Oh I see, you need to glue the photos your sister took outside to the paper work that is already printed out. . The same paper work I filled out for the last five years that has exactly the same information.     

 

Nice lady you are going to make copies of my passbooks? passport? lease? really?

 

Put everything on a computer? How would one corrupt person be able to change some paper work on the side without having to "log on"?

 

Must have a certified letter (hand stamped of course) from your bank stating your FIXED ACCOUNT with NO WITHDRAWALS had funds 90 days prior even though your passbook clearly shows this to be true every month FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS? 200 baht Thank you.

 

Yes there are many helpful people working at immigration offices. some have really good hearts. others not so much.

 

And yes I love Thailand. And this is only one day a year. plus three more little visits and really not very much money. Well worth it to stay in the LOS.

 

I can get  20,000 baht a day out of my Bangkok Bank ATM or at any ATM all over the world but immigration can't issue a "ATM" type ID card with that level of security for me? Swipe ID card. Swipe CC or debit card. Fees paid. Done.

 

Your address changed? Update the info and issue new ID card on the spot just like the bank does for ATM cards.

 

Report to immigration every time I return to Hua Hin after staying over night out of town?  

 

Print a map to your home? Really? Actually even though I live in Hua Hin I can't get my mail so I understand why they need this.

 

Draw a simplified map to your home? I'm a good artist. No problem. More fun like gluing photos. 

 

CAN YOU GUESS WHAT I DID TODAY? THAT'S RIGHT. I WENT TO IMMIGRATION TO RENEW MY EXTENSION OF STAY! I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW. THANK YOU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

[greeneking]

On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 3:09 PM, Sheryl said:

Agree for those on 1 year extensions of stay - require initial registration of address in Thailand (TM 30) and then notification of any change of address, period. Makes no sense for people who have settled down here (retirees, people with Thai families) to have to keep reporting their same address over and over. Serves no purpose whatsoever and makes unnecessary work both for the expats and immigration staff.

 

And while at it, consider allowing more than 1 year extension of stay at a time for people on retirement or spousal extensions after say the first 5 years provided all immigration requirements have been fully complied with and no police record.

 

 

And if we leave the country with a re-entry permit we are ordered to report to Immigration to inform them we live in our own house again we have lived in for years on our first day back!

The 'unnecessary work' for the immigration staff has allowed for empire building, office expansions, promotion opportunities and nepotism.

[Kwasaki]

8 minutes ago, greeneking said:

And if we leave the country with a re-entry permit we are ordered to report to Immigration to inform them we live in our own house again we have lived in for years on our first day back!

 

The 'unnecessary work' for the immigration staff has allowed for empire building, office expansions, promotion opportunities and nepotism.

Firstly it's fair you could go somewhere first before going home.

 

Secondary but important Immigration office expansions have saved me an all round 5 hour trip to Masot, now my local office is just 20 mins away so speak for yourself.

[Aforek]

Sally, you have connections with the authorities ? you think you are able to change things ?; of course, what Sheryl says is good , but I am afraid it's just  and only a hope 

I am not sure Thailand is ready to change ( in relation with expats, at least retirees ) 

[Sally0]

On 7/24/2018 at 8:35 PM, Aforek said:

Sally, you have connections with the authorities ? you think you are able to change things ?; of course, what Sheryl says is good , but I am afraid it's just  and only a hope 

I am not sure Thailand is ready to change ( in relation with expats, at least retirees ) 

Sadly, I do not have connections with any Thai authority members and therefore am unable to make any changes to the current system. I know that many expats may feel that they are doing many unnecessary procedures but it is what it is and it won't change until Thai officials are ready to change it. However, I want to know the opinions of the expats to maybe find a solution that can alleviate these concerns.