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Never mind about the blocking or not regarding the death sentence. Please can somebody give the man a descent haircut before executing him. A normal person couldn´t bear dying looking like that.

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So the USA will not extradite one if its citizens, but will happily ask other countries to extradite theirs to the USA to get the death penalty. Somehow I smell a double standard there.

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6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

It is absolutley nothing to do with compassion, and any attempt to suggest otherwise is either a failure of your comprehension of the point, or a deliberate attempt to smear those opposed to the death penalty.

 

Lock them up in solitary in the worst cell in the lowest standard prison we have for the rest of their lives - there is nothing compassionate about my feelings towards them. However the death penalty was rightly abolished in the UK, and our government HAD a policy of not extraditing people to other countries for crimes that could result in their receiving death penalty. This is a sleazy and nasty way for the UK to wash its hands of our own problem.

BS! You have surely worked out, by now, that 'life', in the UK, means no such thing. 

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37 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The death sentence would make them martyrs in their, and their supporters eyes.  That alone is enough to show that this is a bad idea.  One of the victims mothers has also come out saying that they shouldn't get the death sentence, for the same reason.  Being kept incarcerated for their whole lives makes much more sense and takes away their moment of "glory".

 

Also, as Chomper, says this could cause serious ramifications for the future and may set a dangerous precedent.

As the saying goes, better a dead martyr... 

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38 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The death sentence would make them martyrs in their, and their supporters eyes.  That alone is enough to show that this is a bad idea.  One of the victims mothers has also come out saying that they shouldn't get the death sentence, for the same reason.  Being kept incarcerated for their whole lives makes much more sense and takes away their moment of "glory".

That is being unkind to them, give them their "moment of glory" and "martyrdom" .

   They want to be hero martyrs and get to heaven as quick as possible , their supporters get themselves a hero and  the World is rid of these people .

   Everyones a winner

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8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Regardless of whether any of us believe that in this case this a good or a bad decision, it will have ramifications for future cases.

 

This decision will come back to haunt future ‘extradition requests’, in which people held by British authorities awaiting extradition to the US will argue in court that their extradition places them at risk of execution.

 

My prediction is the first person to make this argument will be Assange when he gets tossed onto the street by his Ecuadorian hosts. (An eviction that is currently being prepared).

 

Far better let these vile criminals rot their life in a US prison and protect one of the most valuable tools to fight crime and protect society, the extradition process.

Indeed. Act in haste and repent at leisure.

 

As these creatures are no longer British citizens, the issue should have been side stepped.

 

Maybe our Home Secretary is applying Sharia principles? I'll bet Amber Rudd would have acted differently.

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7 hours ago, vogie said:

Happiness is a warm gun, bang bang shoot shoot.

I thought you were rather more civilised than that....

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2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It is not a matter of compassion. Civilised countries just do not put people to death.

The U.K is not putting anyone to death though

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6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Yes, it says that in the article, but if the evidence is so overwhelming, why are British courts unable to do what US courts can?

It's cheaper if the US does it. That's the overriding reason I'll bet

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54 minutes ago, Jonmarleesco said:

BS! You have surely worked out, by now, that 'life', in the UK, means no such thing. 

List of prisoners with whole-life orders

The whole life order (formerly a whole life tariff) is a court order whereby a prisoner who is being sentenced to life imprisonment is ordered to serve that sentence without possibility of parole. This order may be made in cases of aggravated murders committed by anyone who was aged 21 or above at the time of the crime. The purpose of a whole life order is for a prisoner to be kept in prison until he or she dies with almost no chance of eventual release

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48 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That is being unkind to them, give them their "moment of glory" and "martyrdom" .

   They want to be hero martyrs and get to heaven as quick as possible , their supporters get themselves a hero and  the World is rid of these people .

   Everyones a winner

Interesting that you think they should get their reward for that they have done.  All the other potential terrorists will be chomping at the bit to have a go but in your world that is OK I suppose?

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2 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Interesting that you think they should get their reward for that they have done.  All the other potential terrorists will be chomping at the bit to have a go but in your world that is OK I suppose?

We can live in hope that once they have been dispatched to meet their maker, that just one of them might come back as a ghost and tell all the other terrorists / jihadi's that it is all a load of shoite, they are not martyr's, there is no pile of virgins, they are just dead, and put some of them off becoming terrorists or jihadi's in the first place.

 

Sadly, I do not see that happening anytime soon.

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30 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It's cheaper if the US does it. That's the overriding reason I'll bet

How do you work that out ?

 

They are both in Syria, they have both been stripped of UK Citizenship which means they both hold another Nationality.

 

Nothing to do with the UK, let the Syrians, the Country of their other Nationality or the US, who are currently holding them deal with them.

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1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Interesting that you think they should get their reward for that they have done.  All the other potential terrorists will be chomping at the bit to have a go but in your world that is OK I suppose?

And you think that all the future potential terrorists will decide not to become a terrorist because they may end up in jail and not get the death penalty ?

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3 hours ago, vogie said:

Being civilised is not burning a Jordanian pilot alive in a cage, being civilised is not parading men in front of cameras and holding the shackled men by the hair and cutting their heads off. I care not one jot what happens to these 'people'.

Don't misunderstand me. These creatures are an abomination and I would show no compassion to them at all. However, civilised people do not put others to death.

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2 minutes ago, vogie said:

So your answer to these barbarians is 3 square meals a day, Sky TV, having to have to call them mister, no I'm sorry grouse I just don't buy into that. 

 

"However, civilised people do not put others to death."

 

I think many civilised people would disagree with you when it comes to these monsters.

The problem is, what happens when the definition of what constitutes ‘a monster’ changes?

 

Today a viscous killer, tomorrow a political enemy!

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3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

How do you work that out ?

 

They are both in Syria, they have both been stripped of UK Citizenship which means they both hold another Nationality.

 

Nothing to do with the UK, let the Syrians, the Country of their other Nationality or the US, who are currently holding them deal with them.

They were British citizens when the crimes were committed. Normally they would end up being subject to British justice. If the Americans deal with it, it saves U.K. Ltd money. OK?

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