British passport renewal

[PhoSai]

3 minutes ago, Mattd said:

You are not technically allowed to renew your passport via the UK if you are not physically present in the UK, the fact that you managed to do so doesn't make it legal, had HMPO checked, then the passport would not have been issued and they could have still have the right to revoke the one they have issued now and refuse to issue another.

You just got lucky, I certainly would not recommend others to use this route, it is far too risky and not worth that risk.

You got lucky here as well, as you should have the request to do so from the British Embassy in Bangkok.

 

This is a trial for online passport applications from Malaysia and you would have to put a Malaysian address in the application.

Yeah thats right, the passport office just missed I wasnt there ? Or maybe they thought ah we wont bother today...ha ha. How can i get lucky with something which you guys say is illegal and all on record. So the passport office missed my passport records, didnt see all the Thai stamps from 10 years and/or thought ah its ok we will let him off !!

 

In regards to Malaysia, I raised that because the opinion seems to be that not being there is illegal. Why would it suddenly not be illegal if i was in KL and not Hat Yai ??! And if putting a Malaysian address mattered then it means they are checking. If they are checking then they would see I was outside the country. More likely the address is just for the purposes of sending it back.

 

Good effort though, you could be correct. Maybe Interpol are on the way to Ubon as we speak.

[ubonjoe]

Two baiting posts and a reply to one have been removed. Time to end the bickering.

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I didn't say it was illegal...... I was saying that I would seek clarification on whether it was - then, and only then, can I evaluate the risk.

 

If HMPO cannot come with a chapter and verse legal barrier then the only risk is not having possession of your passport in Thailand

Whichever way you look at it, it is a breach of Thai Immigration Law.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Whichever way you look at it, it is a breach of Thai Immigration Law.

 

I am not sure I agree with that Sandy.

 

It would be a breach of law if he had been asked to produce his passport and could not do so......... that would have been the monkey house for sure..

[PhoSai]

Just now, sandyf said:

Whichever way you look at it, it is a breach of Thai Immigration Law.

That bit is probably correct. Practically its nearly 0 risk though and in my opinion even if I had been checked I dont think in real life I would have had a problem. Only perhaps if a crime had been committed.  Most important thing would have been my stamps check out, which they would. Dont get me wrong I dont pretend to be a do gooder about this. I went for the best option after weighing up risks and %s.

[PhoSai]

2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

I am not sure I agree with that Sandy.

 

It would be a breach of law if he had been asked to produce his passport and could not do so......... that would have been the monkey house for sure..

More than likely if i got stopped and had no physical book then I guess they would have contacted immigration to check me out. Combine that with the copies I have of visa page I cant see how it would be straight to jail by default. This is Ubon not Nana Plaza in Bangkok mate...lol. YUo seem to look at everything in absoluet terms all the time. So im standing there in Ubon with my wife and kid, copies of passport pages, I check out at immigration and in your opinion im going straight to jail..lol. 

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, PhoSai said:

More than likely if i got stopped and had no physical book then I guess they would have contacted immigration to check me out. Combine that with the copies I have of visa page I cant see how it would be straight to jail by default. This is Ubon not Nana Plaza in Bangkok mate...lol. YUo seem to look at everything in absoluet terms all the time. So im standing there in Ubon with my wife and kid, copies of passport pages, I check out at immigration and in your opinion im going straight to jail..lol. 

Not being able to show a passport can result in being detained until you can present one. It has happened to people.

Just having copies is not enough if they get serious about wanting to see your passport.

It may be Ubon but it could happen anywhere if asked for your passport by an authority.

[PhoSai]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not being able to show a passport can result in being detained until you can present one. It has happened to people.

Just having copies is not enough if they get serious about wanting to see your passport.

It may be Ubon but it could happen anywhere if asked for your passport by an authority.

Sure. Im not talking in absolute terms. Said that a few times now. Im talking %s and/or ratio of risk to outcome. I assume you are also in Ubon or have been. Do you really believe on average if stopped around Chayangkun tomorrow and you have no passport on you but copies and status is legal thats it straight to jail. Come on !! I know you have to take the official line on here being an admin but please !!

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, PhoSai said:

Sure. Im not talking in absolute terms. Said that a few times now. Im talking %s and/or ratio of risk to outcome. I assume you are also in Ubon or have been. Do you really believe on average if stopped around Chayangkun tomorrow and you have no passport on you but copies and status is legal thats it straight to jail. Come on !! I know you have to take the official on here being an admin but please !!

I am just stating facts. The chances are low but it could happen.

From the immigration act.

'Section 58 : Any alien who has no lawful document for entering the Kingdom under Section 12 (1); or
has no Residence Certificate under this Act; and also has no identification in accordance with the Law on Alien registration, is considered to have entered into the Kingdom in violation to this Act.'

[PhoSai]

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

I am just stating facts. The chances are low but it could happen.

From the immigration act.

'Section 58 : Any alien who has no lawful document for entering the Kingdom under Section 12 (1); or
has no Residence Certificate under this Act; and also has no identification in accordance with the Law on Alien registration, is considered to have entered into the Kingdom in violation to this Act.'

Fair enough. I think the key line there is "The chances are low but it could happen.". I would also add to that by saying chances of even being checked for your passport at all are very low. In fact in my 12 years here its been once in Ekamai. 

 

Personally for me in Ubon I very very much doubt even if checked with no book that much would of happened. Its not Bangkok where they generally dont like foreigners. 

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, PhoSai said:

Personally for me in Ubon I very very much doubt even if checked with no book that much would of happened.

It would depend upon why they wanted to see your passport.

For example only. What if you were involved in a serious traffic accident and it was deemed it was your fault. That would certainly be a case where they would want to see your passport.

[PhoSai]

Just now, ubonjoe said:

It would depend upon why they wanted to see your passport.

For example only. What if you were involved in a serious traffic accident and it was deemed it was your fault. That would certainly be a case where they would want to see your passport.

Yep 100% agreed on that. Like I said earlier i wasnt planning on committing any crimes in those 10 days so lets say i didnt lose any sleep.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, PhoSai said:

Yep 100% agreed on that. Like I said earlier i wasnt planning on committing any crimes in those 10 days so lets say i didnt lose any sleep.

The fact you got away with it can hardly be seen as justification, certainly not something to brag about or recommend to others. Not every passport application is without problems, only a fool would gamble when there is a perfectly valid alternative.

My passport renewal took 11 weeks and we can only hope not to see those days again, at least during that time I had a passport in my possession. 

[PhoSai]

41 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The fact you got away with it can hardly be seen as justification, certainly not something to brag about or recommend to others. Not every passport application is without problems, only a fool would gamble when there is a perfectly valid alternative.

My passport renewal took 11 weeks and we can only hope not to see those days again, at least during that time I had a passport in my possession. 

"got away with it"..lol. Anyone would think ive just killed someone. I didnt have a passport on me for 10 days....wow....chop my head off. Deary me ! The question here is not is it physically possible i could of got into trouble in those 10 days and thus passport checked. The question is how likely.  And I did sort of had a say in that..lol. Like not riding my bike, not going out, not do anything until I had it back. This isnt North Korea, you dont get officers breaking doors down and demanding passports. Its called working out your odds and %s mate. Not just simple thinking. 

 

In regards to recommending. Im sure people are thankful for your concern but they can make their own minds up. Once they do I am sure they will work out that on balance its not really risky. Just needs some guts and the ability to think outside the box. But i suppose if you dont have any of those then I can see why 

its regarded as a high crime and such a big risk..lol

 

Look if you were happy to wait 11 weeks, or maybe not the ability to think outside the box then fair enough. For me I preferred to wait 10 days, sit at home and it wasnt a high risk gamble.

 

Not sure if you are British but if you are then your passport is no better mate. You just had to wait longer ,obviously not happy about it and trying to portray this as some immoral act. Hilarious ?

[Neeranam]

Can I use my letter from the pension people in the UK. Which I got in April to pay my yearly £150?

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Can I use my letter from the pension people in the UK. Which I got in April to pay my yearly £150?

Yes you can use it for proof of address.

[OJAS]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Can I use my letter from the pension people in the UK. Which I got in April to pay my yearly £150?

Are you referring to a letter from DWP's IPC in Newcastle upon Tyne informing you of your perpetually frozen State Pension rate? If so, then I would strongly advise you to scan a copy since the original is liable to be sent to the UK with your renewal application and end up on some HMPO file there, never to see the light of day ever again in all probability.

[Neeranam]

31 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Are you referring to a letter from DWP's IPC in Newcastle upon Tyne informing you of your perpetually frozen State Pension rate? If so, then I would strongly advise you to scan a copy since the original is liable to be sent to the UK with your renewal application and end up on some HMPO file there, never to see the light of day ever again in all probability.

No, a payment slip from HM Revenue and Customs.

I pay class 2 contributions yearly now, since I paid back 10 years last year.

[daron]

Update:

Passport arrived yesterday, I picked it up today, all in very fast and easy service, very impressed.

Now just to transfer the immigration stamps ?

[jayboy]

Personally I don't find the renewal procedure for British passports in Thailand particularly quick or easy - as various of my compatriots have suggested.In fact it's a pain in the neck for indolent people like yours truly.

 

For those who are able I would recommend the one day procedure for renewing passport in the UK when you are visiting.

[OJAS]

5 hours ago, jayboy said:

Personally I don't find the renewal procedure for British passports in Thailand particularly quick or easy - as various of my compatriots have suggested.In fact it's a pain in the neck for indolent people like yours truly.

If you are referring to the specific requirement for 2 physical trips to Bangkok, this particular compatriot agrees 100% with you!

[Jip99]

On 8/14/2018 at 1:46 PM, sandyf said:

The fact you got away with it can hardly be seen as justification, certainly not something to brag about or recommend to others. Not every passport application is without problems, only a fool would gamble when there is a perfectly valid alternative.

My passport renewal took 11 weeks and we can only hope not to see those days again, at least during that time I had a passport in my possession. 

 

 

For the smart-arse chancers like Phosai they might wish to consider this response from HM Passport Office:-

 

 

 

Thank you for your enquiry.

The Home Office advise that for security purposes a passport must not be taken over a border without the holder in possession.

If you post your passport to a residential address in another country it potentially could be retained by the Border Agency and cancelled, This could influence that actual granting of a UK Passport as there is no absolute entitlement.

The package you use could also be damaged during the delivery process and be compromised or end up in the possession of a 3rd party which could lead to identity theft.

To confirm the notes on the declaration form that you need to read before signing;

When the application form is completed and signed by yourself, if you are not resident at the address you provide, you are making a false statement for which you could be prosecuted and a potential prison sentence.

If the passport is lost in transit or has a delivery issue you will need to attend in person to collect it. As you possibly will not have any other travel documents to return to the UK it would leave you in a difficult position.

Taking the above into account and you state that the action you are suggesting will save time and money, the repercussions of being caught are severe.

I hope this has been of assistance and recommend strongly that you follow the standard process.



If you require any further information, please contact us through our helpline on +44 (0)300 222 0000 or via e-mail [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>



Kind Regards,

 

 

 

[OJAS]

15 hours ago, Jip99 said:

As you possibly will not have any other travel documents to return to the UK it would leave you in a difficult position.

Not sure that this sentence from the HMPO response is strictly correct, though. Could he have not obtained an Emergency Travel Document from the Embassy had HMPO, for any reason, required him to return to the UK?

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, OJAS said:

Not sure that this sentence from the HMPO response is strictly correct, though. Could he have not obtained an Emergency Travel Document from the Embassy had HMPO, for any reason, required him to return to the UK?

 

 

Don't know. That is their reply and if they knew I had lied they may not be in a hurry to issue a new one..............I imagine that there is some link between the embassy and HMPO.

[OJAS]

6 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Don't know. That is their reply and if they knew I had lied they may not be in a hurry to issue a new one..............I imagine that there is some link between the embassy and HMPO.

I would have thought that, rather than hinder his return to the UK (not only to collect his new passport but also to face the music for having made a false declaration), HMPO would have been more than happy for the Embassy to issue an ETD at a cost of £100 to him. The only other options I can think of would be either extradition proceedings at considerably greater cost fo the British taxpayer, or HMPO taking their chances on the BIB eventually picking him up on overstay and holding him in the IDC until he could pay for a one-way ticket back to the UK.

[john west]

On 8/13/2018 at 6:25 PM, Snow Leopard said:

So you can apply for a new UK passport on a 30 day tourist visa Joe?

 

For all other passport applications, you must provide from the list below: • at least one document with photo identity; and • one document as evidence of name and address and/or residency within the last year

• Your British passport (if you are renewing)
• Non-British uncancelled passport
• National identity card or equivalent (or colour photocopy)
• Visa or residence permit (or colour photocopy)
• Tax record eg a letter from a tax authority
• Educational record eg school report 
• Employment record eg official letter from your employer
• Letter sent to you from a central, regional or local government department
• Medical/health card
• Voter’s card
• Immigration documents

 

That's what i have always understood Joe in the past. Old un-canelled passport along with the proof of residency. 

Just a point of this British passport renewal and yes can be done at the Trendy Building  in Bangkok and believe one has to make appointments on line or use an agency who do all the work for you and yes for a fee, but make sure all the forms etc are all in order.
With this Brexit situation (will it actually happen) but there has been no mention of new blue passports with the words taken off ie EU or Europe.
How does this affect the renewal of existing passport in the next year or so say in 2020. One can still apply for a new one at any time as it stands.
Thanks all

[john west]

Yes, I am aware one can renew at Trendy Building for which one needs to email for an appointment and also a reliable agency can do all the work for you, for a fee.
Just as a matter of interest and not seen this anywhere but if this Brexit ever happens then apparently there will be a blue passport with the word EU or similar scratched out.
Will this affect those renewals in 2019 or 2020 and too far ahead, but no mention of it and the Government sites and agencies not said anything, but think there must be a record of current passports. We shall soon find out and perhaps there will be no Brxit and theis Government does what it wants and works for the very few.
 

[Jip99]

3 minutes ago, john west said:

Yes, I am aware one can renew at Trendy Building for which one needs to email for an appointment and also a reliable agency can do all the work for you, for a fee.
Just as a matter of interest and not seen this anywhere but if this Brexit ever happens then apparently there will be a blue passport with the word EU or similar scratched out.
Will this affect those renewals in 2019 or 2020 and too far ahead, but no mention of it and the Government sites and agencies not said anything, but think there must be a record of current passports. We shall soon find out and perhaps there will be no Brxit and theis Government does what it wants and works for the very few.
 

 

 

There will be BREXIT and the passport renewal process will be the same.

 

 

The passport will look different.

[john west]

4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

There will be BREXIT and the passport renewal process will be the same.

 

 

The passport will look different.

Thank you Jip 99 but one can never tell  what might happen.

 

[vogie]

I rang my agent up last week about my British passport renewal, he said he can renew it for 7000baht, but it will take 8 weeks.

I don't know but I am assuming he will do the transaction through a third party in the UK, hence the 8 weeks.

Has anyone gone down this route before.

I really don't fancy the hassle of two trips to Bangkok.