Thai man shoots his young neighbor dead because he wouldn't turn down the music

[KittenKong]

3 minutes ago, mercman24 said:

got them on beach road , JOMTIEN,  mostly weekends . with their pick up trucks blasting out music right next to the sign that say 2000 baht fine for loud music, as usual the cops do f***  all about it, i feel sorry for the people living across the road,

You get them in Bang Saray also, just a few yards from the new Del Mare condo. In fact I think you can find them everywhere here.

 

It's appalling for anyone who lives there but also for anyone who just wants a quiet walk along the seafront.

[KiChakayan]

6 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

Yes, the police are (or should be) entirely responsible for preventing that sort of nuisance. And they can come back night after night if necessary, and impose penalties that are more and more onerous until the noisy person finally realises how stupid he is being. Just be sure to apply a penalty from the outset and to double it every time, as the main problem here is that penalties are rarely applied and are often completely inadequate anyway.

 

If the police really dont have time to do that then perhaps more of them should be employed.

You are such a dreamer...

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

17 minutes ago, Catoni said:

You're quite right.  He didn't have to kill him.  He could have just kneecapped him like the Red Brigades used to to do enemies in Italy..     They prefered to just shoot the person's knee out and make him a cripple for life. Let the guy live but always with something to remind him and teach 'em a lesson. 

Then the aggressor would have a lessser sentence too, after he leaves prison a Thai he can enjoy life a Thai hero

 "A Thai man can be jailed, but he can never be insulted". It is a matter of face.

Remember this the next time you go to the carpark to find youths sitting on your car bonnet or motorcycle.

 

[bluesofa]

6 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

You get them in Bang Saray also, just a few yards from the new Del Mare condo. In fact I think you can find them everywhere here.

 

It's appalling for anyone who lives there but also for anyone who just wants a quiet walk along the seafront.

I love how you got two words in one sentence that are untranslatable into Thai: 'quiet' and 'walk'.

 

[twig]

Unfortunate overkill; brandishing or shooting the ahole's radio would have been enough and much lesser punishment. :(

 

One of the reasons I left after a year though: clear that despite the medieval rituals and fake gestures of respect, in general LoS folk are more disrespectful to each other - not to mention falangs - than folks in non-greng-jai cultures, filled with relatively powerful weapons among the population, such as the Land of the Fleeced.

 

Making it illegal for falangs to own guns in Thailand ain't gonna fix that either. That was just another of the myriad of laws to disadvantage y'all even against a criminal attack.

 

I'm sure most here disagree, but in my experience it's true that "An armed society is a polite society".

 

This poor guy understandably overreacted, and brought a gun to a confrontation where a baseball bat or pepper spray would have been enough.

 

For the record, where is the best store in Thailand to buy non-lethal force multipliers, such as the more effective pepper spray varieties available to non-brown-shirts back in the United Plantations?

[johng]

16 minutes ago, mercman24 said:

got them on beach road , JOMTIEN,  mostly weekends . with their pick up trucks blasting out music right next to the sign that say 2000 baht fine for loud music, as usual the cops do f***  all about it, i feel sorry for the people living across the road,

No "blaring"   ...just bla bla bla

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, shady86 said:

1 hour ago, smedly said:

yes he deserved to be murdered for loud music - right ??
 
Are you insane ? you have very clearly lost it along with those that "liked" your post
 
He should have called the police, it is their job to sort stuff like this out - if they fail to do so (which is likely) it does not give anyone the right to take a gun and murder someone 

You think the police could solve it? That is why people here decide to take action themselves because law and enforcements don't work.

 

I certainly don't condone murder. But at the same time, what Shady is saying is true -- the reason here people take matters into their own hands is because law enforcement is, by and large, useless.

 

[meechai]

Yeah they can get busy over loud music...but someone holding their country hostage? No Problem

[twig]

58 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Firstly, it's agreed upon that playing loud music should not result in a death sentence.  The man will be charged.  Ok?

 

But having said that, do you really think the police should be responsible for all loud music/noise disputes?  They wouldn't have time for anything else.  But even if they had shown up and taken care of the issue, how about the next night?  And the next night?  Not to mention that the kid and his buddies may want to hurt the man for calling the cops on them. 

 

I don't have an easy answer for this problem.  But I do hope that this story gets a lot of play in Thai news.  Perhaps a deterrence of sorts. 

Agreed upon that killing was inappropriate here, but it is the way Natural Selection works, and has worked for a long time.

"Your freedom ends, where my nose (or any other property) begins."

 

Shooter would have been endangering himself more in the short term if he simply called the police, but overreacting made it worse for him in the long term.

As another saying goes though, "If you can't be safe, it's better to be dangerous."

 

Agreed upon also that government police anywhere is just the dominant organized crime group, and useless in such situations, and more harm than good in most other ones also.

[Spidey]

13 minutes ago, johng said:

No "blaring"   ...just bla bla bla

I think "Blaring" is now accepted as the act of a British prime minister sucking up to an American president.

[Prince77]

1 hour ago, Dmaxdan said:

 I couldn't agree more. Loud music can be selfish and extremely anti social but if somebody truly believes that it is a legitimate reason for a person to be gunned down, then they need locking up themselves. There is always another solution.  

Of course nobody should be shot because of playing loud music because it is against the law. But at least it was a definite solution and the shooter made his point. You guys critisizing the sympathy of some poster should not forget the meaning of the word "sarcastic". Nobody will condone to shot a noisy guy.

[johng]

13 minutes ago, meechai said:

but someone holding their country hostage?

The hostage taker has bigger better and many more guns.

[seajae]

monday morning(mothers day) at 7am some idiot parked one street over at the lake and turned his music up full for an hour or so(windows in the house were rattling like crazy, they have no idea how to set the bass), many residents were not impressed but he refused to turn it down, this happens regularly and they are always idiots in their trucks at all hours of the night. Trouble is the police will not do anything about it when called and the ones making all the noise dont give a sh*t about the residents and the time, have been waiting for one of the neighbours to get a gun actually and do something, looks like it happened here, no sympathy for the kid, they need to learn respect for others not just what they want albeit a senseless death but I do understand why it happened

[impulse]

55 minutes ago, twig said:

Making it illegal for falangs to own guns in Thailand ain't gonna fix that either. That was just another of the myriad of laws to disadvantage y'all even against a criminal attack.

 

Like a lot of the outwardly discriminatory laws in Thailand, making it difficult (but not impossible) for a foreigner to own a firearm has probably saved quite a few foreigners from looooong stints in Thai prisons for shootings that would be considered "self defense" back home. 

 

I'd rather watch someone cleaning out my condo of everything they can carry away than shoot them and spend even a week in a Thai prison- never mind a more likely sentence like a decade.

Edited August 15, 2018 by impulse

[thaiguzzi]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai man shoots his young neighbor dead because he wouldn't turn down the music

Harsh.

Harsh but fair.

[Kinnock]

Looking at the photos of the sound system in the truck - my guess is he's a repeat offender.  Constant loud noise and lack of sleep can cause extreme stress - and this may explain his actions.  Shooting the speakers would have been a better action - but sometimes stress is fatal for the sufferers and the instigator.

[johng]

3 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Constant loud noise and lack of sleep can cause extreme stress

Someone always suggests  "earplugs"   ?  for the roosters, yappy/barking mutts,mortar and pestle bangers..maybe even "ai tor sear"  ( Mr broken muffler)  they can help a small amount....but for those extreme boom box base speakers there is no defence or escape...they rattle internal organs....?

I believe the military use loud noise to wear down the opposition..they of course expect to get shot at for doing so.

[anon789561]

i feel your pain somboon but just a slight over reaction don't you think . . .

[CanuckThai]

I feel for the victim (the shooter).  I'm on the receiving end of the opposite spectrum.  Surrounded by yahoo's that start their mornings with every watt they can drive through their speakers.  Yip, anywhere between 5:45am and 6:30am is reveille for the local philosopher kings...and no one has dares interrupt their Kallipolis bliss.

[kcpattaya]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

shoot twenty year old Chaiwat in the head

Who turned down the music?
Guess it wasn't K. Chaiwat?!

[spermwhale]

Who hasn't wanted to do that in this country? 

[masuk]

3 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

We have noisy neighbours on both sides.  One EVERY SINGLE DAY at 5 - 8 pm opens all the doors to his pick up truck and plays his music (with heavy base) at maximum volume.

 

On the other side the neighbour has started up a wood cutting factory.  On goes the banging base music at 9 - 5 EVERY SINGLE DAY.

 

I would move house, but we only just built this one and are tired of moving.

 

The head man lives next door to me, but he does not seem to care about the constant noise.  I don't think there is a solution.  Asking the neighbours to not play the music loud will just make them loose face and get angry with us farang new neighbours.  Asking the head man I am sure he will do nothing or, just tell them it was us who complained.   Same problem.

 

We had to move house last time due to EXTREME noise.  Now its go me thinking about moving back to the UK... which I really don't want to do.  I can't believe how most Thai people don't care at all about noise pollution at all.  

There is something to be said for the Western countries/cities which have ZONING.    Zoning for a residential area does not include dogs' home, karaoke bar, starting machinery before 0700, Builder's workshop.

[PatOngo]

9 minutes ago, spermwhale said:

Who hasn't wanted to do that in this country? 

To eliminate everything that disturbed your sleep in this country, you would have to take out every person, dog and mo-cy in the country!

[smedly]

4 hours ago, shady86 said:

4 hours ago, smedly said:

yes he deserved to be murdered for loud music - right ??
 
Are you insane ? you have very clearly lost it along with those that "liked" your post
 
He should have called the police, it is their job to sort stuff like this out - if they fail to do so (which is likely) it does not give anyone the right to take a gun and murder someone 

You think the police could solve it? That is why people here decide to take action themselves because law and enforcements don't work.

That does not mean you take a gun and shoot someone for loud music - now if he had raped you daughter then that could be entirely different

 

 

If the police had rushed into the apartment where the music was playing and shot the guy dead - what would you all be saying then ????

 

Some people on here really have lost (if they ever had it) any sense of reality, it really is quite shocking

[Henrik Andersen]

4 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

 I couldn't agree more. Loud music can be selfish and extremely anti social but if somebody truly believes that it is a legitimate reason for a person to be gunned down, then they need locking up themselves. There is always another solution.  

I agree with you but please what other solutions can you think of?

 

[dragons70]

5 hours ago, Darcula said:

For the love of music......at least he died doing what he liked.

Being an ignorant selfish <deleted> with no consideration for people who are trying to sleep, and generally just pissing others off? 

[blazes]

3 hours ago, Catoni said:

      You're quite right.  He didn't have to kill him.  He could have just kneecapped him like the Red Brigades used to to do enemies in Italy..     They prefered to just shoot the person's knee out and make him a cripple for life. Let the guy live but always with something to remind him. 

The IRA were fond of that too....

[Aatsi]

So often in Thailand peoples play music to loud as condo neighbours or in park between condo buildings where are thousand peoples living and sleeping but some karaoke singer or music player in park plays absolutely too loud that any one cant sleep. 

I self must sale my condo and move away cause my upstair neighbour play 24/7 music even (silence time 11pm-7am) I go some time alone and some time with security beg in many night and morning night that the upstairs condo owner stop the music but he not care and surprice that the condo manager, security and office staff was ineffectual to stop that apartment owner resident even they sef can hear the loud music behind the room door, unbelievebul, ok then I sale my condo. 
Its annoying if have nice silent middle night in all condominium but one selfish neighbor who think he live in condo alone and not respect neighbour peace and he play music so hard that the bass bounding can feel in mattress and pillow and some time can hear record words. Sure this kind acting make many peoples feel mad.
I understand and I not surpriced that some one can get finally so mad that the result can go so far as in this case.
Loud music listeners should use headphones.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Aatsi

[impulse]

10 minutes ago, Henrik Andersen said:

4 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

 I couldn't agree more. Loud music can be selfish and extremely anti social but if somebody truly believes that it is a legitimate reason for a person to be gunned down, then they need locking up themselves. There is always another solution.  

I agree with you but please what other solutions can you think of?

 

Earplugs wouldn't send him to prison for decades.

 

[Aatsi]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Earplugs wouldn't send him to prison for decades.

 

Yes one solution is move away.