What is the general rule for tipping?

[HLover]

On 8/23/2018 at 1:56 PM, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

I tip what Thais tip.


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Best post of the thread. When in Rome...

 

[Nyezhov]

4 minutes ago, badischer Barde said:

But I don't get this %-stuff, that seems to be an american thing. If I have dinner for 80 Baht 5% tip is ridiculous, then I tip 25%.

Thats merely a guide.  Lots of times tipping is mere change, Baristas for example. Coffee is $2.15 in Dunkin Donuts, tip the .85 in change.

 

Bikini Barristas were big in Alaska. I dated one. She was rolling $100 in tips for 4 hours, cashola

 

 A hustling waitress in a cheap American resteraunt is gonna make 20% all day long on 3.99 breakfasts.

 

Some lithping Eurotrash wannabe in Maision de la Merde might be making only 15%, but its gonna be on $200 checks.....

 

 

[HLover]

7 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats merely a guide.  Lots of times tipping is mere change, Baristas for example. Coffee is $2.15 in Dunkin Donuts, tip the .85 in change.

 

Bikini Barristas were big in Alaska. I dated one. She was rolling $100 in tips for 4 hours, cashola

 

 A hustling waitress in a cheap American resteraunt is gonna make 20% all day long on 3.99 breakfasts.

 

Some lithping Eurotrash wannabe in Maision de la Merde might be making only 15%, but its gonna be on $200 checks.....

 

 

Eloquently said.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

32 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Better for them that its American culture, as opposed to others. And they tip in Canada, remember?

 

Exactly.

 

When in Rome....

[badischer Barde]

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

No offense dude but you are letting your inner Marx out.

non taken. Marx was an political and economical scientist and philosopher, like Milton Friedman. Where's the offense?

But if you're not a fan of Marx.. let's quote from the other end of the table:

 

"Actually, there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won. We’re the ones that have gotten our tax rates reduced dramatically.

If you look at the 400 highest taxpayers in the United States in 1992, the first year for figures, they averaged about $40 million of [income] per person. In the most recent year, they were $227 million per person — five for one. During that period, their taxes went down from 29 percent to 21 percent of income. So, if there’s class warfare, the rich class has won."

 

Warren Buffett

 

10 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Socialism is a system built and maintained by hate, envy, jealousy and control.

says who? McCarthy? Reagen? Rand? Bannon?

 

Trump is a president that was elected and stays in power thanks to hate, envy, jealousy and control... yes, sounds plausible. More plausible actually than connecting social and economical fairness to hate and envy.

 

What? Not even a Trump-fan? And I am no socialist. It just seems that the US-education system creates people believing that everything but dog-eat-dog is evil godless communism.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

13 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats merely a guide.  Lots of times tipping is mere change, Baristas for example. Coffee is $2.15 in Dunkin Donuts, tip the .85 in change.

 

 

 

 

 

Everything these days in Canada is tap and go. I remember Starbucks staff used to have a jar full of coins, but now they must be getting really annoyed with the lack of tips. Same in food courts and other fast(er) food establishments.

 

I understand the American system and why you need to tip the waiters, but in Canada there is really no reason as everyone earns a fair wage. I always found it insulting that waiters in the restaurant demand a tip, while a cashier at wall mart and McDonald's get shafted. It's extremely unfair as working at McDonald's is actually hard work.

 

 

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, badischer Barde said:

says who? McCarthy? Reagen? Rand? Bannon?

Come on dude, dont lessen the persuasiveness, if any, of your other arguments, by ignoring history.

 

But lets digress further and ignore Detroit and the failures of American capitialism in building an economic powerhouse that benfits the majority of its citizens, lets talk about the success of socialism...how about...Venezuela! 

 

Lets chat about your nation shall we? How well did Socialism work out for you guys between 1918 and 1945? Hows it going now? Now that Uncle Sammy is making you pay for your own defense? And the green agenda is groaning pocketbooks?

 

 

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

 

 

I understand the American system and why you need to tip the waiters, but in Canada there is really no reason as everyone earns a fair wage. 

 

 

Spoken like a true Russian.

[mogandave]

Let me ask you a question: How does asking that the very rich pay higher taxes - on money they never worked for, don't really need, and only have bcs they took it from poor people by reducing their salary or fireing them while making the rest take over their tasks - than ordinary people for their meager hard earned salary qualify as hating?
 
That's just basic fairness.
 
And why, if you're not rich, do you defend the privilegs of the rich so strongly?
It doesn't even make sense on an economical level. People inheriting hundreds of millions have no incentive to risk something, to work hard, to better themselfes, to innovate.
 
And people who have nothing do not have the means to study, to lean, or to build a startup.
 
So a system that tries to avoid both extremes, giving at least the young people similar chances to make something out of themself, should be beneficial to all.
Ok, to all but the oligarchs that profit from low taxes for the rich, cheap labour due to high unemployment, and don't really care for a collapsing public sector bcs they have private schools, private police, helicopters to avoid rundown streets...
But you say you're not one of them, so.. why?

The rich in the US do pay higher taxes. Something less than 50% wage earners pay no federal income taxes, and the top 1% pay almost 40% of the total federal income taxes paid.

How is it they’re not paying there share?

I think if everyone is taxed at 20%, a guy that makes a million a year pays a lot more than a guy that makes 50k.

What a system tries to do means nothing, it’s what a system actually does is all that counts.

Are you poor? Why do you defend the rites of the poor if you’re not one of them?

You use the example of lazy slackers that inherit hundreds of millions by stealing it from the poor and in the same breath claim you don’t hate the rich. I think your slip is showing.

In any event, lazy kids inheriting hundreds of millions is a tiny fraction the top 1% of taxpayers.

So what needs to be done, government takeover of private industry?

Salary caps for CEO?

90% tax rate on everyone that makes more than you?

I told you I do not like the way fortune 100 CEO are compensated, but I do not know how to change it that would be an improvement, and I’ve heard nothing from you except how unfair if all is. Boo hooo,

[badischer Barde]

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Same in food courts and other fast(er) food establishments.

Yes, it's like that in most of the mall food courts in bkk, too. Certainly unfair to the people working there. I wonder if they have other perks, like better salary, or if the malls have a high turnover...

[mogandave]

Well... it's the US, so you only have a right wing government, and a right wing government with really good PR..
 
But the question is silly, and you know that. Nobody could have saved a city so dependent on car manufacturing if all car manufacturers use NAFTA to simultaneously move 90% of the jobs to Mexico.
But hey... same here... Neoliberal Government lowering the taxes for the rich by 30%, subsidizes offshoring, but then points its finger to leftwing governed cities if they can't compensate higher unemployment with less money..
 
And of course its not leftwing governed cities that become poor, it's poor people electing left wing people to combat exploitation.
Rich people can vote conservative, why change a system you profit from?

Yeah, the left is good at throwing other people’s money at the poor to get their vote. They have to keep them poor to keep them voting left..

[badischer Barde]

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

ignoring history.

 

But lets digress further and ignore Detroit and the failures of American capitialism in building an economic powerhouse that benfits the majority of its citizens, lets talk about the success of socialism...how about...Venezuela! 

 

Lets chat about your nation shall we? How well did Socialism work out for you guys between 1918 and 1945? Hows it going now? Now that Uncle Sammy is making you pay for your own defense? And the green agenda is groaning pocketbooks?

Ok, I see you like to ignore things. Like facts, but I guess that's the only way to stay right wing if you're not rich... But ok..., let's see:

 

Detroit: " Nobody could have saved a city so dependent on car manufacturing if all car manufacturers use NAFTA to simultaneously move 90% of the jobs to Mexico. " It was neoliberal politics that purged so many jobs from Detroit. That't why you want to ignore it?

 

American capitalism ..blabla:

Sorry, dude, if the three countries that might have had a chance to be a superpower during the 30s  (GB, Germany, Russia) destroy most of heir production capabilities, cities, *and* at the same time go into massive dept with the 4th potential superpower, the US, it's really not that hard to become an "economic powerhouse".

I know you like the story that it was capitalism, american workmanship, or gods blessing, but really it's pretty much only lack of attacks on the mainland...

 

Nazi-Germany: Honestly... rea.. no, wait.. one picture says more than a thousand words:

https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1987.1125.8/

you can't go through life believing every name people give themselfs. The NSDAP was not socialist, and one of their first steps to poer was banning, and in many cases killing any communist they could find.

 

And "pay for our own defense"? Fine with me. Cant't see any advantage of hording american nukes here, or participate at the destabilisation and invasion of countries the US doesn't like.

Maybe we should ask rent for the US-drones using Rammstein to attack afghan weddings, hm?

 

20 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The rich in the US do pay higher taxes.

and here we go, ignoring Warren Buffett...

 

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So what needs to be done, government takeover of private industry?

..anything I said..

 

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

In any event, lazy kids inheriting hundreds of millions is a tiny fraction the top 1% of taxpayers.

.. and being right for a change, but probably only by coincidence. Yes, they are. Like I said, we have around 150 Billionairs in Germany. 1% of the tax payers are roughly 600.000

Of course 150 is just a tiny fraction of 600.000, what's your point?

But even when the kid inheriting hundrets of millions is hard working, well adjusted, and incredibly polite... does that make it ok for him or her to get hundrets of millions without even paying taxes on it while others inherit nothing, simply based on luck?

 

And yes, I gathered you hate taxes. But still like police, streets and schools.

Maybe not schools...

[mogandave]

.. and being right for a change, but probably only by coincidence. Yes, they are. Like I said, we have around 150 Billionairs in Germany. 1% of the tax payers are roughly 600.000
Of course 150 is just a tiny fraction of 600.000, what's your point?
But even when the kid inheriting hundrets of millions is hard working, well adjusted, and incredibly polite... does that make it ok for him or her to get hundrets of millions without even paying taxes on it while others inherit nothing, simply based on luck?
 
And yes, I gathered you hate taxes. But still like police, streets and schools.
Maybe not schools...

I said top 1%, not one percent

Still waiting for your recommendation on what is to be done.

Did your mother tell you life was fair? Is it fair for a german to make 100k a year and a Thai to make 30k?

I don’t mind taxes, I just think the idea that the the rich should pay it all and the poor should pay nothing is wrong.

If you take what you claim Warren Buffet said as fact, clearly the rich are paying more at 21% than they were paying at 30%.

But you don’t really care about that, the important thing is that they are punished.

[badischer Barde]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

I said top 1%, not one percent

ignoring math now, too?

1% of 60 million is 600.000, no matter if it's the top 1%, the bottom 1%, or any 1% in the middle...

 

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Did your mother tell you life was fair?

No, but to try and make life a bit more fair if I can... why, what did your mother tell you?

 

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Is it fair for a german to make 100k a year and a Thai to make 30k?

certainly not. But still better as if the Thai would only make 10k..

 

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

If you take what you claim Warren Buffet said as fact, clearly the rich are paying more at 21% than they were paying at 30%.

google it.. CNN interview 30.09.2011.

And yes.. but they also use more of the taxpaid infrastructure... just think of all the money we spent on rescuing their fortune after all the banks crashing..

Also.. what is wrong with the idea that the strong shoulders carry more weight?

 

8 minutes ago, mogandave said:

But you don’t really care about that, the important thing is that they are punished.

What exactly makes you think so?

Any rational reason, or is it just that TV told you everyone against capialism hates the rich, freedom and bald eagles?

 

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Still waiting for your recommendation on what is to be done.

Certainly:

1. Lower taxes on income from work lower than 100k
2. increase taxes on work income higher than 200k
3. increase taxes on effordless income
4. heavily increase taxes on effordless income higher than 200k, and even more for such income above 1M
5. reinstate a tax on great wealth
6. lower working hours until the labour-market is balanced again
7. fight tax havens
8. hire more tax inspectors to make sure tax fraud has not such a low risk
9. universities should be free, poor students should be be subsidized same as unemployed people
10. Encourage startups by assisting them with free tax- and bureaucracy councelling, ease of accounting rules and free health insurance, to give highly qualified people without a big inheritage the chance to build something up
11. fight tax evasion. Only international corps can do that, and it distorts competition
12. Make Cartells illegal, and
13. ..stop allowing big companies to privatize their profits, but socialize their losses. It's either free markets and individual responsibilities for all, or noone. Asking the poor to take responsibility for their own lifes, but bailing out big companies, banks and oligarchs is just hypocritical!
14. Also, I want a pony..

[observer90210]

The general rule is to have a fair but safe supply of 50 THB notes for giving as tips....nothing more unless it's really some exceptionnal service

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, badischer Barde said:

Yes, it's like that in most of the mall food courts in bkk, too. Certainly unfair to the people working there. I wonder if they have other perks, like better salary, or if the malls have a high turnover...

They are waiting for me to leave Thailand. Last time I left, I had like 180 baht in change that I handed out to the nearest uniform with a broom. 

[Nyezhov]

2 hours ago, observer90210 said:

The general rule is to have a fair but safe supply of 50 THB notes for giving as tips....nothing more unless it's really some exceptionnal service

Well if we are gonna make all folks equal, that should be a purple instead

[Chelseafan]

If in a restaurant I will tip the waiter/waitress directly.

[Laza 45]

8 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Shut up. You know what's insulting? A bunch of Americans who come to Thailand and impose their "culture".

 

Thais certainly don't think of you as a hero because you tip. What they think is exactly what I wrote... you making sure that every poor Thai (how ironic) will not have to open up their wallet and tip... because some high horse Westerner wants to show off.

 

Now there are places where you should certainly tip, like massage places. My wife tips a local security guard every year because he fixes my bicycle tires free of charge every time my fat ass blows them.

 

But she certainly doesn't go around like a parasite spreading out cash.

 

Ridiculous.

 

 

No.. I won't 'shut up'.. certainly not for you..  Accept that we live on different planets..  I eat in Thai restaurants with my family often and I can tell you that tips are an appreciated addition to their meager income.  I tip chamber maids too.. they earn little and have families to support.. my wife knows ladies who work as chambermaids ..they say they don't often get tips but appreciated them when they do get them.   It is not about 'showing off' as you say.. it is about showing appreciation.  BTW.. I'm not an American.. Canadian/Australian duel citizen.. ?

[theguyfromanotherforum]

2 minutes ago, Laza 45 said:

No.. I won't 'shut up'.. certainly not for you..  Accept that we live on different planets..  I eat in Thai restaurants with my family often and I can tell you that tips are an appreciated addition to their meager income.  I tip chamber maids too.. they earn little and have families to support.. my wife knows ladies who work as chambermaids ..they say they don't often get tips but appreciated them when they do get them.   It is not about 'showing off' as you say.. it is about showing appreciation.  BTW.. I'm not an American.. Canadian/Australian duel citizen.. ?

 

Who are you dueling with?

[jimmyyy]

Thai's don't tip neither do i here.  In the states typically 20% of the bill.

[suzannegoh]

10 hours ago, badischer Barde said:

... is a bit insulting, don't you think? No, unfortunately those are the salarie-ranges with many of german companies. It's worse with many small companies, and of course better if you work for, let's say Porsche. But they reliably have 200+ applicants for each job, so good luck with that.

 

Nice. US starting to sound pretty sweet... why "was working"? For a salary like that I'd stick around... no need to worry about accounting, taxes, labour laws and tariffs and whatnot for your own business if you can make a good living with just engineering..

I don’t see why that would be insulting but I apologize if you took it that way.  The ones that can make up to $200K would generally be people with big reputations and a long track record and they would generally report to the CTO or a senior director instead of to an engineering supervisor.  And there wouldn't be many of them.   I was just trying to draw a distinction between them and the average engineer of similar length tenure.  Basically that company (and a number of other tech companies) recognized that it’s a problem if the only career path open to tech professionals that results in making more money is moving into management and they attempted to redress that by creating a parallel career ladder that allows techies to focus on tech instead of becoming a midlevel managers. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by suzannegoh

[Laza 45]

39 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Who are you dueling with?

..it looks like you are the one who told me to 'shut up''.. pardon if I am wrong... 

[5633572526]

On 8/23/2018 at 1:07 PM, wwest5829 said:

Yes, subsidizing poor pay in the U.S. But, then if in Thailand, or any other culture one conforms to that cultures expectations...

Even poorer pay here. Tipping was brought over by tourists and is mainly done and expected in tourist areas. Many places in these same areas have put “service charges” on the bills to ensure you tip (normally 10%) you can thank “cheap Charlies” for this addition. When my Aussie friends visit I always take them to places that include this charge because as they have explained to me many times “Aussies don’t tip” and in this way they do indeed tip ?

 

[Kaalle]

Almost every single thai person I have met and had more than one meal with has tipped sometime even if ordinary local restaurant.

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[Chelseafan]

18 minutes ago, Kaalle said:

Almost every single thai person I have met and had more than one meal with has tipped sometime even if ordinary local restaurant.

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Is that because they are with you and have to save a little face ? If The same Thais ate without you would they still tip ?

 

[Kaalle]

Is that because they are with you and have to save a little face ? If The same Thais ate without you would they still tip ?
 

I know they tip when they are among thai friends as well. These are young people though, but not overly well off. People like to be nice to other people sometimes, is that a chock?

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[expat1010]

I always tip the bar and massage girls after if they have given good service. Generally 10%

Food stall no

Sit down restaurants like MK BBQ I round up to nearest 100 baht

Taxis I round up

Tuk tuk and motorcycle taxi no tip




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[NaamGin]

Rule on tipping? I leave a tip and my wife picks it up, screaming tee sood... 

[mogandave]

Certainly:

1. Lower taxes on income from work lower than 100k
2. increase taxes on work income higher than 200k
3. increase taxes on effordless income
4. heavily increase taxes on effordless income higher than 200k, and even more for such income above 1M
5. reinstate a tax on great wealth
6. lower working hours until the labour-market is balanced again
7. fight tax havens
8. hire more tax inspectors to make sure tax fraud has not such a low risk
9. universities should be free, poor students should be be subsidized same as unemployed people
10. Encourage startups by assisting them with free tax- and bureaucracy councelling, ease of accounting rules and free health insurance, to give highly qualified people without a big inheritage the chance to build something up
11. fight tax evasion. Only international corps can do that, and it distorts competition
12. Make Cartells illegal, and
13. ..stop allowing big companies to privatize their profits, but socialize their losses. It's either free markets and individual responsibilities for all, or noone. Asking the poor to take responsibility for their own lifes, but bailing out big companies, banks and oligarchs is just hypocritical!
14. Also, I want a pony..

Please put some numbers on these.

Lower taxes on income from work under 100k to what?
Raise taxes on income from work) over 200k to what?
We’ll need a good definition of work

Heavily Increase taxes on effortless income to what?
We’ll need a good definition of effortless. Is picking equities effortless? What about ones 401k growth, and appreciation of the family home?

What should the tax on great wealth be? So if Bill Gates owns a 100 billion in MS stock what should hole pay each year?
How much is great wealth?

Lower labor hours to what? So hourly workers will earn less? When was the labor market in balance, and how will we know when the labor market is in balance?

Please provide examples of some of the tax havens that should be eliminated.

How many tax inspectors do you think we should have?

Universities should be free to everyone regardless of grades?

How much should the poor and unemployed revive in subsidies?

What is the inheritance limit to get all the free counseling? What if someone inherited nothing, but earned a lot of money working, do they not get the counseling if the do a start-up?

Isn’t fighting tax evasion covered with all the extra tax inspectors we hired?

What are some of the cartels that should be illegal? You mean like Google and Apple?

I agree, I do not think the taxpayers should bail out failed companies.

How about a bologna-pony?