Hundreds of employers, workers without permits arrested in nationwide sweeps

[rooster59]

Hundreds of employers, workers without permits arrested in nationwide sweeps

By The Nation

 

 

Checks on nearly 50,000 foreign workers at establishments in the past month had led to the arrest of 1,162 illegal workers and the prosecution of 204 law-breaking employers, Department of Employment (DOE) chief Anurak Tossarat said.

Anurak said 113 teams of DOE officials, police and national security officers checked on establishments nationwide over the past month. As of August 3, the teams had checked on 2,419 employers covering 46,254 foreign workers. 

 

They had arrested and prosecuted 204 employers, 157 of whom were charged for hiring undocumented workers. They also arrested 1,162 workers, 612 of whom were charged for working without official permits. 

 

The arrested workers included 668 from Myanmar, 287 from Cambodia, 103 from Laos, 63 from Vietnam and 41 from other countries.

 

Labour Minister Pol General Adul Sangsingkeo affirmed that law-breaking foreign workers from all nations would face fines and deportation. 

 

In a bid to solve the country's shortage of 40,000 fisheries workers, Adul said that his ministry would speedily import fisheries workers from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam via the memorandum of understanding system, he said. 

 

The officials again warned that those who employed illegal migrant workers or allowed them to work in jobs other than what the permits allowed will face a fine of Bt10,000-Bt100,000 per worker. For repeated offences, the employer will face one year in jail and/or a Bt50,000-Bt200,000 fine, plus a three-year ban on employing foreign workers.

 

The foreign workers who lacked permits, or were found doing work other than that allowed under their permits, will with face a Bt5,000-Bt50,000 fine, then be deported and face a two-year ban from applying for a work permit.

 

Employers who harboured illegal workers would additionally face up to five years in jail and up to a Bt50,000 fine, while those allowing illegal foreigners to stay on their premises will be fined up to Bt20,000.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30352906

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-08-26

[thequietman]

The foreign workers who lacked permits, or were found doing work other than that allowed under their permits, will with face a Bt5,000-Bt50,000 fine, then be deported and face a two-year ban from applying for a work permit.

 

Soooo ........ before when the government hinted that you could do other jobs when having a WP are wrong. No surprise there then!

[Oziex1]

Good to see the message is getting through!

 

 

[MekkOne]

2 minutes ago, thequietman said:

before when the government hinted that you could do other jobs when having a WP are wrong. No surprise there then!

What are you talking about??? The new law says you are allowed to use the WP to do different jobs, but you must have the labour office update in the WP all the other jobs...

[greenchair]

As I see huge signs going up all over the place begging for thai workers that refuse to do the work. Many small factories will close and many large will downsize. 

Thumbs up to Prayut. 

[thequietman]

14 minutes ago, MekkOne said:

What are you talking about??? The new law says you are allowed to use the WP to do different jobs, but you must have the labour office update in the WP all the other jobs...

u have alwys been able to do that but recent legislation hinted that this didn't need to be done. The WP covered you for all other jobs as part of your WP. Example : you could do additional work for your school not on the premises stated in the WP.

[MekkOne]

5 minutes ago, thequietman said:

u have alwys been able to do that but recent legislation hinted that this didn't need to be done. The WP covered you for all other jobs as part of your WP. Example : you could do additional work for your school not on the premises stated in the WP.

No you weren't allowed to have more than one job on the WP, every job needed a different WP... Stop talking about stuff you don't know nothing about.

[thequietman]

12 minutes ago, MekkOne said:

No you weren't allowed to have more than one job on the WP, every job needed a different WP... Stop talking about stuff you don't know nothing about.

I have a WP and I can do other jobs as long as they are added to the CURRENT WP. Other jobs CAN be added to one WP. I work for a University AND a language school. Both are entered on the 1 WP. You have no idea what you are talking about. Your attitude stinks!

[Cadbury]

 

1 hour ago, rooster59 said:

In a bid to solve the country's shortage of 40,000 fisheries workers, Adul said that his ministry would speedily import fisheries workers from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam via the memorandum of understanding system.

So Pol General Adul Sangsingkeo says they need 40,000 slaves to work in underpaid jobs that Thai's wont touch for love or money.

Then they announce they will import them from other countries and speak as if human slaves are some sort of commodity that can be bought or sold or traded under some bizarre trading agreement (MOU).

What sort of inhumane creatures work in this Department of Labour? Sadly they are a reflection of the same inhumane, hard-hearted and uncompassionate types who run the country. Being militaristic by training they know no better. 

[Number 6]

It's just like in US. No shortage of labor, just wage disparity between employer and labor. But in this day and age, the wealthy oligarchs circumvent the laws and bring in cheap immigrant labor.

[marcusarelus]

 

25 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

 

So Pol General Adul Sangsingkeo says they need 40,000 slaves to work in underpaid jobs that Thai's wont touch for love or money.

Then they announce they will import them from other countries and speak as if human slaves are some sort of commodity that can be bought or sold or traded under some bizarre trading agreement (MOU).

What sort of inhumane creatures work in this Department of Labour? Sadly they are a reflection of the same inhumane, hard-hearted and uncompassionate types who run the country. Being militaristic by training they know no better. 

Maybe you want to check the law. 

 

http://www.ilo.org/dyn/migpractice/docs/214/Thailand.pdf

[baansgr]

So much for all that talk of ASEAN 1st Jan 2015

[Cadbury]

24 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

 

Maybe you want to check the law. 

 

http://www.ilo.org/dyn/migpractice/docs/214/Thailand.pdf

Thank's for wasting my time looking at that 20 page heap of this romantic and moralistic garbage that might apply to Canada and Australia. Seriously, do you naively believe this applies to the Thai fishing industry.Which planet did you just arrive from?

Perhaps you should visit the Thai fishing ports and inform the captains of the fishing boats of their employment obligations and the rights of their employees, including: 

Fishers have the right to 30 days of paid annual holiday each year.

Fishers have the right to holiday pay if required to work on a Thai public holiday

Fishers have the right to receive income during a period of illness.

[Vacuum]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

They had arrested and prosecuted 204 employers

I like this.

[connda]

If so many foreign workers are getting busted maybe that says something about labor shortage in the LOS?

[hansnl]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

As I see huge signs going up all over the place begging for thai workers that refuse to do the work. Many small factories will close and many large will downsize. 

Thumbs up to Prayut. 

But why do Thai people don't want to do the jobs?

Might it be the very low pay, maybe?

For example, a friend got herself a job in restoring a factory building.

7 days a week, daily from 5 in the morning till 18, one hour lunchtime.

Daily payment 300 baht, minus 50 baht for drinking water.

I will not bother you with all the deductions meted out for whatever reasons, but it boiled down to 12 hours per day for 210 baht.

 

Edited August 26, 2018 by hansnl

[geriatrickid]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

As I see huge signs going up all over the place begging for thai workers that refuse to do the work. Many small factories will close and many large will downsize. 

Thumbs up to Prayut. 

 

Where are these signs"begging" for workers? Beer bars? Massage shops? Sweat shops which exploit the poor? Fish processing contractors with their substandard  working conditions? Illegal operations?  

You claim "many" small factories will close. Really? In what sector? I know of several sectors which are expanding and have  employee training programs.

Has it occurred to you, that maybe it is a good thing if some of these "small" operations close and are replaced by modern  operations which are more compliant with environmental protection laws, health and safety requirements and which have better working conditions?

 

It's not a bad thing that Thailand is trying to stop these unethical and typically dubious businesses from the illegal and unethical activities. There are qualified  Thai construction workers who graduate from technical schools. Perhaps not up to western standards, but significantly better quality than the Myanmar quasi slave labour.  The contractors who insist on  using the illegal labour do so to make a larger personal profit, not because they want to make their finished project sale price less expensive.

[Vacuum]

7 minutes ago, hansnl said:

But why do Thai people don't want to do the jobs?

Laziness?

[kannot]

5 hours ago, thequietman said:

The foreign workers who lacked permits, or were found doing work other than that allowed under their permits, will with face a Bt5,000-Bt50,000 fine, then be deported and face a two-year ban from applying for a work permit.

 

Soooo ........ before when the government hinted that you could do other jobs when having a WP are wrong. No surprise there then!

Those  immigrant workers dont have two halfpennies to rub together, good  luck getting 50 baht out of them let alone 50000......ridiculous, massive labour  shortage so they MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE

[kannot]

3 hours ago, hansnl said:

But why do Thai people don't want to do the jobs?

Might it be the very low pay, maybe?

For example, a friend got herself a job in restoring a factory building.

7 days a week, daily from 5 in the morning till 18, one hour lunchtime.

Daily payment 300 baht, minus 50 baht for drinking water.

I will not bother you with all the deductions meted out for whatever reasons, but it boiled down to 12 hours per day for 210 baht.

 

Tell her she can come here Ill pay her way more than that, and bring a female friend as  well. SERIOUSLY

[Cadbury]

3 hours ago, hansnl said:

But why do Thai people don't want to do the jobs?

Might it be the very low pay, maybe?

For example, a friend got herself a job in restoring a factory building.

7 days a week, daily from 5 in the morning till 18, one hour lunchtime.

Daily payment 300 baht, minus 50 baht for drinking water.

I will not bother you with all the deductions meted out for whatever reasons, but it boiled down to 12 hours per day for 210 baht.

 

210 baht for 12 hours work is terrible. No Thai should have to work for that.

But judging by the thousands of legal and illegal migrants workers we are left to conclude that for migrant workers it is acceptable pay and conditions. If that is the case then it is nothing more than slavery by Thai slave masters.

On one hand they are expelling them as fast as they can get rid of them and then on the other hand they want to import 40,000 workers slaves to work the fishing boats.

This country works in mysterious ways.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, Cadbury said:

 

So Pol General Adul Sangsingkeo says they need 40,000 slaves to work in underpaid jobs that Thai's wont touch for love or money.

Then they announce they will import them from other countries and speak as if human slaves are some sort of commodity that can be bought or sold or traded under some bizarre trading agreement (MOU).

What sort of inhumane creatures work in this Department of Labour? Sadly they are a reflection of the same inhumane, hard-hearted and uncompassionate types who run the country. Being militaristic by training they know no better. 

Totally agree with your post... slavery continues in Thailand.
just the wording changes

[mikebell]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

113 teams of DOE officials, police and national security officers

They're coining it in and there's still the huge 'fines' for traffic offences to feed into the trough.

[BestB]

7 hours ago, greenchair said:

As I see huge signs going up all over the place begging for thai workers that refuse to do the work. Many small factories will close and many large will downsize. 

Thumbs up to Prayut. 

Yes he is doing a great job eradicating middle class and small businesses.

 

after all he did promise no poverty, all will be equally poor.

[Expatthailover]

5 hours ago, connda said:

If so many foreign workers are getting busted maybe that says something about labor shortage in the LOS?

There are labour shortages in many countries.

The usa, japan, uk, australia cant fill jobs usually because

They are minimum wage jobs or

The skillsets are unavailabe ( eg it )

It is the illegal workers that do the former.

Ironically we get the trumpistas who rant and rave against illegal immigrants yet many of them wont do farm work or work in cafes.

The only way such jobs will be filled is by increasing immigrant quotas which these stormtroopers are against.

[anon537687643]

So who is going g to do the jobs ? Not the at on your ass watch TV, play games on phone, or open your legs locals !


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[Esso49]

6 hours ago, connda said:

If so many foreign workers are getting busted maybe that says something about labor shortage in the LOS?

There is not a labour shortage in Thailand.  There is only a shortage of Thai labour willing to work. Much easier for  lazy Thai men to sit around drinking and smoking all day whilst the females do all the hard work.

[zzaa09]

6 hours ago, hansnl said:

But why do Thai people don't want to do the jobs?

Might it be the very low pay, maybe?

For example, a friend got herself a job in restoring a factory building.

7 days a week, daily from 5 in the morning till 18, one hour lunchtime.

Daily payment 300 baht, minus 50 baht for drinking water.

I will not bother you with all the deductions meted out for whatever reasons, but it boiled down to 12 hours per day for 210 baht.

 

Sad. Exploitation has been accepted commonplace among the working class since memory. Illegal or legitimate. 

One might understand why any sort of landmark legislation or regulated actions towards the labouring class, less the working middle class - the cycles have always been a win-win for the oligarchs and their associates.

 

Imagine what might be if such progressive measures where in place:

A fair and valued hourly salary, doing away with this barbaric and controlling "day wage" crap.

Mandated 40 hour working week and overtime.

Humane working environment.

Etc... 

 

'Tis wonder why a good percentile of the Thai population are self-employed through their own business and work. 

[greenchair]

7 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

 

Where are these signs"begging" for workers? Beer bars? Massage shops? Sweat shops which exploit the poor? Fish processing contractors with their substandard  working conditions? Illegal operations?  

You claim "many" small factories will close. Really? In what sector? I know of several sectors which are expanding and have  employee training programs.

Has it occurred to you, that maybe it is a good thing if some of these "small" operations close and are replaced by modern  operations which are more compliant with environmental protection laws, health and safety requirements and which have better working conditions?

 

It's not a bad thing that Thailand is trying to stop these unethical and typically dubious businesses from the illegal and unethical activities. There are qualified  Thai construction workers who graduate from technical schools. Perhaps not up to western standards, but significantly better quality than the Myanmar quasi slave labour.  The contractors who insist on  using the illegal labour do so to make a larger personal profit, not because they want to make their finished project sale price less expensive.

It is certainly about profit. They are right next 

Door to Cambodia and myanmar, which have an abundance of cheap labour. Their prices have to be competitive. If they can make more profit moving their factory to those countries, then that's what they'll do. 

The qualified construction workers don't want to do the construction work, they want to direct it. They also want higher than the daily minimum wage for half the physical work than a migrant will do. I also think it's good to clean up the migrant labour mess. But they could be more realistic and sensible about red tape and regulations. 

[greenchair]

8 hours ago, hansnl said:

But why do Thai people don't want to do the jobs?

Might it be the very low pay, maybe?

For example, a friend got herself a job in restoring a factory building.

7 days a week, daily from 5 in the morning till 18, one hour lunchtime.

Daily payment 300 baht, minus 50 baht for drinking water.

I will not bother you with all the deductions meted out for whatever reasons, but it boiled down to 12 hours per day for 210 baht.

 

If your friend had to get a job like that, it means that she is a school dropout. 

Why is she a school drop out? Lazy? Irresponsible? 

Can't multi task? 

It takes 3 thai workers to do the job of one migrant, so basically a high pay is divided between 3 people to get the job done. Try hiring an office girl. 

1.salaries 1.incoming money 1.outgoing money. 1.purchasing 1.to paint nails. 5 girls to do 1 job. 

Tesco lotus pays 12000 baht a month + healthcare + benefits. 7/11 and mk and most popular restaurants pay well also, they have to in order to keep staff. There is likely a very good reason why your friend had to work in those conditions.