terminatorchiangmai Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 No update about Big joke going to England ? Of course there was no date mentioned , so most likely he will be going after the elections ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Editorial in Bkk Post urged against the trip.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sheryl said: Editorial in Bkk Post urged against the trip. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What they give as reason for that? Waste of time because lady will not agree with interview, or other reason? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted September 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2018 Not appropriate. He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK.Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim.And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso49 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sheryl said: Not appropriate. He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK. Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim. And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Love your factual response and In other words "Big Joke" is exactly that, nothing but an arrogant big joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Not appropriate. He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK.Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim.And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile appHe was not going to arrest her... as far as i can tell he woulf have been following up on her claim and would take a statement from her, exactly what would have happened if she had made the report in thailand...nothing to do with jurisdiction.Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted September 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2018 10 hours ago, frank83628 said: He was not going to arrest her... as far as i can tell he woulf have been following up on her claim and would take a statement from her, exactly what would have happened if she had made the report in thailand...nothing to do with jurisdiction. Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Was he not gong to England to arrest her? Wow! That’s a relief. Thanks for enlightening us. You seem to be confusing the sensitivities of investigating rape with the formalities of investigating an assault or robbery, etc. He is NOT going to England to investigate or take statements for any reason. He NEVER was going. This is all for show. He can’t even speak English properly, for christ’s sake. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 12 hours ago, frank83628 said: He was not going to arrest her... as far as i can tell he woulf have been following up on her claim and would take a statement from her, exactly what would have happened if she had made the report in thailand...nothing to do with jurisdiction. Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The problem is that he was going with his own pre-conceived ideas formed after his tour of Koh Tao. So, instead of being a policeman investigating an alleged offence, he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 In addition, interviewing (or, per his stated intentions, "interrogating") is still a police function and not appropriate in a foreign country where he has no jurisdiction. If all he wants is a statement without questioning her that can be obtained from the UK authorities with certified translation and no need for him to travel there. Simply coordinate with UK authorities to obtain the details needed for investigation, if indeed there is any intention to investigate. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Weird Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 18 hours ago, Sheryl said: Not appropriate. He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK. Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim. And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial. It's not appropriate that the police officer in charge of a case should interview a woman who is making a rape allegation? Love to know how you work that out. Are the police expected to believe everything every complainant says without investigation, really? He doesn't need "jurisdiction", all he needs is permission to interview her which is not only appropriate but it is essential in any type of case if the complainant expects to be taken seriously. Whether RTP allowed the British police anything in a different case is irrelevant to this alleged rape and that exact reciprocity should be applied is just the writers opinion, it's not a rule! It's a shame that the alleged victim's lack of credibility from day one and her adversarial attitude towards the RTP wasn't mentioned also. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 hours ago, newatthis said: The problem is that he was going with his own pre-conceived ideas formed after his tour of Koh Tao. So, instead of being a policeman investigating an alleged offence, he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar. "...he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar". Perhaps would be justified in this case that makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Weird Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Sheryl said: In addition, interviewing (or, per his stated intentions, "interrogating") is still a police function and not appropriate in a foreign country where he has no jurisdiction. If all he wants is a statement without questioning her that can be obtained from the UK authorities with certified translation and no need for him to travel there. Simply coordinate with UK authorities to obtain the details needed for investigation, if indeed there is any intention to investigate. That's not "all that he wants", he wants to interview her, and she has to be interviewed in order for there to be an investigation, regardless of what Thaivisa posters think! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Basically the idea of fly to UK, shows how completely out of touch Big Joke or hiswearing advisors are. Once out of Thailand he will be in the full glare of the western press without any of the Thai laws that protect them from criticism. The police give a string impression of handling this case inteptly and insensitively and any trip outside Thailand is far more likely to have a negative impact over any positive outcomes. It is well established that victims of sexual assault are very unlikely to report assaults to anyone,let alone the police and it seems that high rabling police officers in Thailand are completely unaware of this. This makes one question how suitably trained they are to deal with these sort of cases at all. This article in the Nation dhowns how people are seriously concerned about how Thsi police handle cases of sexual assault. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30354904 In common with many other instances it seems that police, rather than concentrate on collated and reporting evidence, see their role in a more judivial sense and try to influence the outcome of events by unconstitutional non police activities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kwilco Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 19 hours ago, newatthis said: The problem is that he was going with his own pre-conceived ideas formed after his tour of Koh Tao. So, instead of being a policeman investigating an alleged offence, he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar. Absolutely....in many instances it appears that Thai police see their role as going way beyond the role.of police into the world of the judiciary, seeking to find solutions to cases rather than reporting the evidence. In the West this would be regarded as a serious breach of separation of powers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I found this on the Internet. I went looking because of this topic and the other one "Many rape cases stalled.." It is an interesting read; put together by the Maryland Police Dept [I think]. it opened my eyes and I learnt a lot; Interview_of_Sexual_Assault_Victims (1).pptx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Photo op, propaganda exercise. Would like to see him come up against the realities of Lawyers and the English press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/14/2018 at 2:17 PM, colinneil said: Big Joke flying to the UK, to interview the girl who he says was not raped!!!! Why is he going?? If he says no rape took place, so when he said she wasnt raped, he was telling porkies. Just shows what a useless bugger he is, surely he will lose face if he goes to interview the girl. He won't lose face as the outcome of the interview will be adjusted to be what he and his KT masters require. Facts will not be allowed to interfere with their grubby propaganda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 At the end of the day I don't know why I or the rest of us here get worked up over this guy, we know what he is. Just a propaganda tool for the Junta and it's as popular in Thailand as anywhere else to go after the creepy and evil foreigners, so the Government can show their there to protect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cyberfarang Posted September 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2018 Lies, lies and more lies. Another one exposed for making false rape claims: 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, cyberfarang said: Another one exposed who is the other? Are you implying this is common? Edited September 24, 2018 by kwilco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, kwilco said: who is the other? Are you implying this is common? Yes it’s all part of the “epidemic” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Kadilo said: Yes it’s all part of the “epidemic” that is a sick and sad reply, you really need to look at yourself...the only epidemic on this thread is misogyny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, kwilco said: that is a sick and sad reply, you really need to look at yourself...the only epidemic on this thread is misogyny. You obviously have not been following other threads/comments so Have missed the irony. When you catch up I’ll accept your apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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