The OP is referencing his interaction with people who have minimal education and who  most likely come from environments where they were exposed to chemicals/pollution and suffered malnutrition during their early development.

 

If the OP were to associate with people other than bar workers, common labourers,  sex workers etc., he would find that the people behave quite differently. The OP is merely describing the Thai version of himself.

 

 

 

One of my staff was angry all day because her 18 year old daughter is going to Ko Larn tomorrow for 2 days .

 

Her worry was that it’s rainy and stormy, boat could easily overturn and daughter could drown .

 

Daughters response was, boats have life jackets and she can swim.

 

i decided to help out.

 

i told mum, that if boat sinks and daughter dies, boat insurance and government will pay her about 1 million baht.

 

She wanted I give her some hard evidence like a Facebook post( do not laugh)

 

Told her could not find Facebook post but it’s a fact.

 

Mum is now all at ease about daughter going.

 

So who said Thai can not think?????

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Perhaps you might consider changing your ID here to "Just Apologist."  

Awww, that's too bad that you spoiled the discussion there John, calling somebody an apologist is just a sign of not being able to verbalize an argument, a cop out from a ratioinal debate.

On 9/29/2018 at 2:02 AM, marcusarelus said:

The same way it is done in UK, US and Australia and EU.

 

The labor force survey reveals the results of the survey conducted and compiled by the National Statistical Office. The categories with the survey include:

Employed persons

Unemployed persons

Current labor force

Seasonally inactive labor force

Total labor force

Persons not in the labor force

The survey is conducted simultaneously for all surveyed units nationwide during the 1st – 12th of each month. Data are collected by NSO officers through interview with head or member of the household units participated in the survey. Data compilation is based on weighted average of sampled data, the details of which appear in the NSO’s website under the topic “Labour Force Survey”.

https://www.economy.com/thailand/unemployment-rate

 

 

Not true. Everybody who works for 60 minutes a week on the family farm counts as employed. Every self-employed person ( there are millions of them) and every person working in the informal sector is counted as employed. Nothing to do with the number you get from developed nations.

4 hours ago, hanuman2543 said:

Not true. Everybody who works for 60 minutes a week on the family farm counts as employed. Every self-employed person ( there are millions of them) and every person working in the informal sector is counted as employed. Nothing to do with the number you get from developed nations.

Not true.  You don't know what you are talking about.  Post a link.  Or.  Google National Statistical Office Thailand employment survey. 

19 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes, but please don't accuse me of being dumb if i watch the football from time to time

Of course not dumb people can watch sport.

I would only think anyone dumb if they thought sport was important 

7 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

The OP is referencing his interaction with people who have minimal education and who  most likely come from environments where they were exposed to chemicals/pollution and suffered malnutrition during their early development.

 

If the OP were to associate with people other than bar workers, common labourers,  sex workers etc., he would find that the people behave quite differently. The OP is merely describing the Thai version of himself.

 

 

 

LOL

I knew the offspring of rich people that were certainly not of any of the categories of people that you find so offensive that were not only incapable of thinking much, but were really stupid. Conversely, I've known common workers and prostitutes that were extremely intelligent.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course not dumb people can watch sport.

I would only think anyone dumb if they thought sport was important.

Sorry to be off topic..

It's obvious that you don't care about sports, and i appreciate that, but..

I have a great admiration for Pep Guardiola, he is a football coach and manager, i would describe him as the completely opposite of dumb.

The same could be said of nearly all the people who have had a lot of success making a living with sport.

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Sorry to be off topic..

It's obvious that you don't care about sports, and i appreciate that, but..

I have a great admiration for Pep Guardiola, he is a football coach and manager, i would describe him as the completely opposite of dumb.

The same could be said of nearly all the people who have had a lot of success making a living with sport.

Fair enough. I guess people that actually make a living off it are far from dumb, but I've always wondered about people that spend large sums of money to wear the official garb ( that changes every season so the clubs get to keep making loadsacash ), and spend serious cash to watch men kicking a ball around a field when they could just stay home and watch it on tv.

Still, some would say I was really dumb to spend loadsacash on women, and they are probably right.

19 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Thai people are not "against thinking"!   "Don't think too much" is just an expression, the literal translation of a Thai expression, that means "don't get too serious about something that is not important".

 

Save your angst.

Easier to consider the source and from which the general ignorance derives.  

 

 

8 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

The OP is referencing his interaction with people who have minimal education and who  most likely come from environments where they were exposed to chemicals/pollution and suffered malnutrition during their early development.

 

If the OP were to associate with people other than bar workers, common labourers,  sex workers etc., he would find that the people behave quite differently. The OP is merely describing the Thai version of himself.

 

 

 

Sir, i have to say i like most of your posts, but here you have managed to diminish the OP and all the "common labourers" as you call them.

I think that intelligence and education are not exactly the same thing.

I also think that speech is only a part of what we call communication.

5 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Not true.  You don't know what you are talking about.  Post a link.  Or.  Google National Statistical Office Thailand employment survey. 

Google "definition thai unemployed " and read the link of the newspaper that can't be named here( Bangkok Post). Then you can admit that you are wrong.

23 minutes ago, hanuman2543 said:

Google "definition thai unemployed " and read the link of the newspaper that can't be named here( Bangkok Post). Then you can admit that you are wrong.

First thing is the article you quoted says Agriculture is 40% of economy.  Now it's down to 32%.  Second if you lose your job as a bank teller and go back home and work on the family farm you are counted as employed.  Well ya? The article says the government does not count foreign workers that would further reduce the unemployment rate.  Your article says, " Our unemployment rate has been low not because of a different definition from other countries"  

 

If you really want to debate the issue get up to date and come up with a reason that farmers should not be counted as employed persons.  I have a brother in law who grows rice and makes 5 million baht a year (big farm) but he actually only works 3 months out of 12.  Should he be counted as unemployed? 

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53 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

 

 

If you really want to debate the issue get up to date and come up with a reason that farmers should not be counted as employed persons.  I have a brother in law who grows rice and makes 5 million baht a year (big farm) but he actually only works 3 months out of 12.  Should he be counted as unemployed? 

As an independent worker, a farmer is not employed and thus cannot be unemployed.

 

The same goes for the millions of "self-employed" Thai street and market vendors.

 

Employed people in the private sector are a minority in Thailand, hence the low unemployment rate...because very few of these lucky people quit their jobs or are fired.

 

In a developed economy, a 1% unemployment rate is impossible, because there is always a "friction" (people moving from one job to another) that keeps the unemployment rate hovering around 4%...in case of full employment and non massaged figures, which is becoming rare these days...

14 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

The OP is referencing his interaction with people who have minimal education and who  most likely come from environments where they were exposed to chemicals/pollution and suffered malnutrition during their early development.

 

If the OP were to associate with people other than bar workers, common labourers,  sex workers etc., he would find that the people behave quite differently. The OP is merely describing the Thai version of himself.

 

 

 

Who is lucky enough to live in an environment preserved from pollutions of all kinds these days?

 

And who are you associating with who doesn't behave like "common labourers" (OMG these people who work with their hands!)?

 

Of course, there are very well educated elites, mostly Thai-Chinese, but the 0.01% is not considered as representative of the population...and generally not much inclined to mingle with the retired average Joe...

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Fair enough. I guess people that actually make a living off it are far from dumb, but I've always wondered about people that spend large sums of money to wear the official garb ( that changes every season so the clubs get to keep making loadsacash ), and spend serious cash to watch men kicking a ball around a field when they could just stay home and watch it on tv.

Still, some would say I was really dumb to spend loadsacash on women, and they are probably right.

Practicing sports is important...watching sports is not...as for those who make a living out of sports, they are certainly less important than many other professionals who are not paid so well, and yet are more useful to society...

36 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

As an independent worker, a farmer is not employed and thus cannot be unemployed.

 

The same goes for the millions of "self-employed" Thai street and market vendors.

 

Employed people in the private sector are a minority in Thailand, hence the low unemployment rate...because very few of these lucky people quit their jobs or are fired.

 

In a developed economy, a 1% unemployment rate is impossible, because there is always a "friction" (people moving from one job to another) that keeps the unemployment rate hovering around 4%...in case of full employment and non massaged figures, which is becoming rare these days...

No.  https://www.economy.com/thailand/agriculture-employment/

 

It would make it easier if you knew something about how unemployment statistics are calculated in Thailand or the West. 

 

USA for example.

Despite what many people believe, the unemployment rate is not measured by calculating the number of people collecting unemployment insurance. In fact, the government comes up with this much-anticipated number each month by following a process that more closely resembles the U.S. Census. The unemployment rate is measured by a division of the Department of Labor known as the Bureau of Labor Statistics, or BLS. This government agency conducts a monthly survey called the Current Population Survey that involves 60,000 households. These households are selected using random sampling methods designed to generate as close an approximation as possible to the larger population.

 

 

It's not a question about if Thai's think or not ,  they think and solve problems if they are in a group of people .   They are not taught to be individual thinkers.   

That's why it's so hard sometimes to ask a question and get an honest, "individual" answer.  

 

It's all about their culture and upbringing. 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No.  https://www.economy.com/thailand/agriculture-employment/

 

It would make it easier if you knew something about how unemployment statistics are calculated in Thailand or the West. 

 

USA for example.

Despite what many people believe, the unemployment rate is not measured by calculating the number of people collecting unemployment insurance. In fact, the government comes up with this much-anticipated number each month by following a process that more closely resembles the U.S. Census. The unemployment rate is measured by a division of the Department of Labor known as the Bureau of Labor Statistics, or BLS. This government agency conducts a monthly survey called the Current Population Survey that involves 60,000 households. These households are selected using random sampling methods designed to generate as close an approximation as possible to the larger population.

 

 

If you had paid attention while reading my post, you would have noticed that I was not talking at all about how the unemployment rate is determined.

 

I was just providing general information regarding the meaning of "employment".

 

Of course, if the Labor Department calls, say 20,000 farmers and asks them what their current situation is, the latter will answer that they are farmers and will by definition not be counted as unemployed, even if they spend their days sleeping in a hammock!

 

And if they call another 20,000 street vendors, the result will be the same, whatever activity these people perform.

 

Only if they call a guy who was employed in, say a Toyota factory, and who answers that he was fired for whatever reason, will they get their hands on an officially unemployed person and be able to finally draw a line on their empty board.

 

In an economy like the one of Thailand, the unemployment rate doesn't mean much.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

If you had paid attention while reading my post, you would have noticed that I was not talking at all about how the unemployment rate is determined.

 

I was just providing general information regarding the meaning of "employment".

 

Of course, if the Labor Department calls, say 20,000 farmers and asks them what their current situation is, the latter will answer that they are farmers and will by definition not be counted as unemployed, even if they spend their days sleeping in a hammock!

 

And if they call another 20,000 street vendors, the result will be the same, whatever activity these people perform.

 

Only if they call a guy who was employed in, say a Toyota factory, and who answers that he was fired for whatever reason, will they get their hands on an officially unemployed person and be able to finally draw a line on their empty board.

 

In an economy like the one of Thailand, the unemployment rate doesn't mean much.

 

 

Give it a rest for god's sake! As said previously the employment rate is determined by sampling, the same process that is used in many countries in the West - respondent answers will be measured or gauged against their previous month's answer, farmers will not be asked if they are employed or not or even to classify themselves on that basis....ditto other self employed job types.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

If you had paid attention while reading my post, you would have noticed that I was not talking at all about how the unemployment rate is determined.

 

I was just providing general information regarding the meaning of "employment".

 

Of course, if the Labor Department calls, say 20,000 farmers and asks them what their current situation is, the latter will answer that they are farmers and will by definition not be counted as unemployed, even if they spend their days sleeping in a hammock!

 

And if they call another 20,000 street vendors, the result will be the same, whatever activity these people perform.

 

Only if they call a guy who was employed in, say a Toyota factory, and who answers that he was fired for whatever reason, will they get their hands on an officially unemployed person and be able to finally draw a line on their empty board.

 

In an economy like the one of Thailand, the unemployment rate doesn't mean much.

The unemployment rate is just as accurate in Thailand as any other country with the same range of jobs.  What does that have to do with Thai people being against thinking?  People who think are employed people who don't think are employed.  What is the connection?

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2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Practicing sports is important...watching sports is not...as for those who make a living out of sports, they are certainly less important than many other professionals who are not paid so well, and yet are more useful to society...

I don't want to defend the excessive emoluments of sport superstars, but the market works on the basis of offer and demand.

Sports like football canalize ordinary people's inner violence, in that way they are more than important to keep at bay the worse instincts.

16 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't want to defend the excessive emoluments of sport superstars, but the market works on the basis of offer and demand.

Sports like football canalize ordinary people's inner violence, in that way they are more than important to keep at bay the worse instincts.

Well...actually I have seen much more violence in and around football stadiums than in, say movie theaters or museums...

Just now, Brunolem said:

Well...actually I have seen much more violence in and around football stadiums than in, say movie theaters or museums...

LOL that is exactly my point, at least museums and theaters are relatively safe.

12 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

LOL that is exactly my point, at least museums and theaters are relatively safe.

 

Thailand surely has the lowest level of neuroticism in the world.

3 hours ago, balo said:

It's not a question about if Thai's think or not ,  they think and solve problems if they are in a group of people .   They are not taught to be individual thinkers.   

That's why it's so hard sometimes to ask a question and get an honest, "individual" answer.  

 

It's all about their culture and upbringing.

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Ha ha you falang always fall for that same stuff.  Thais can't think alone.  Ha ha.  Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia never tell that to falang and they get colonized.  We convince you that having a buffer state is good idea.  Ha ha. Like North and South Ireland.  Ha ha.  Girls from Issan score many Falang all alone - can't trust other Issan lady you know.  How 18 year old girl all alone smarter than bar full of Farang?  Ha ha.

 

If Thailand were group thinkers they would have harems.  Nope.  Forest monks meditate alone.  Thai's don't need group to get courage like English football they have all alone Muay Thai.  Famous Thai movie Tom Yum Goong - lone hero. 

 

I think Falang can't think alone fall for all that stereotype stuff that is pushed by groups of drunks in expat bars.  Falang can't think by himself.

 

 

 

 

 

Western have to think about what to do to survive because of different seasons. In thailand, they do not need to much shelter, food come all year along, and this is how we come to be after 100 000 years and more. Everything is stored in our HD (dna) 

 

Simple as that, thai can sit and watch food grow and save calories, but we have to work to get next calorie on table and shelter fixed before witner, and  kill the last mamut and whale to get protein, fat and oil!