Thai drivers ignoring 11 million traffic tickets

[madmitch]

3 hours ago, DrTuner said:

They'll never be able to connect their databases unless they accept foreign help, hopeless. I received a ticket for the previous owner of the house last week, seems he'd been naughty and ran a red light in BKK. Add to the 11M pile.

What? You mean Thais don't have to report their address every 90 days?

[canuckamuck]

1 hour ago, Samuel Smith said:

Raise the speed limits on dual carriageways. 90kph is too low!  

Just got my second ticket for less than 5kmh over the speed limit of 90.

It is very hard to maintain that speed over long distances on good roads.

My 5th gear is superfluous.

[futsukayoi]

But most of the tickets are obviously invalid.  At the top it says it should be issued by a "competent official" and there must be very very few of those.

[happy chappie]

3 hours ago, Samuel Smith said:

Raise the speed limits on dual carriageways. 90kph is too low!  

Thailand has speed limits? Well I would never of guessed that one.

[pokerface1]

14 hours ago, markytarky said:

So, then you will have 11 million vehicles with invalid registrations. What then? 

Just start confiscating their iPhones then they will be sure to start paying their fines.  

[Sonhia]

No surprise. Typical ignorance...

 

[pattayadgw]

just goes to show how much the Thai's respect the law ????

[Siam Bruce]

My Thai Son was gven two fines both for speeding 1. at 123 Kph the other at 125Kph on a highway, with a speed limit of 120Kph.

 

With the inherent inacurries in any system this seems a poor responce from RTP

 

In other country's you could challenge there claim and also demand through the courts the date of the last calibration of said equipment, Thai's are very good at affording the budget to buy NEW equipment but never seem to have the funds for on-going mainteneance.

 

The "FINE" system seems to be that they simply mail it (normal mail) to the Registered address of the vehicle, with the amount of mail that goes missing to my own house how do they prove that you have actually received the notice.

My son said that the Police/highway authorities wanted the DLT to collect the fees but would not give them any commision for doing the job so DLT rejected their request T.I.T.

 

Lastly when you look at the form paying a fine for speeding at a Up-country location they require payment to the DIRECT to the area concerned. They could have made it very simple (Like other Govt agencies Electric water bills etc)  so you could simply pay at any 7/11 etc but AGAIN RTP are not willing to pay them a commission.

Thai's simply ignore them so RTP get Nowt!

 

Quite simply, RTP should send the notification by REGISTERED MAIL, Give the recipient One MONTH to pay, and charge DOUBLE  if you wait to do it at DLT on renewing your yearly registraion.

Also

Also produce a system where you can challenge their claim, if the machine has not be calibrated in the last xx Mths No claim would be paid.

 

In Pattaya I live in hope that the authorities would put Camera's on EVERY Traffic lights juction to stop the Blatant running of RED lights by both Thai's and Falangs. I personally view this as a MUCH more serious offence.   I do agree that speed CAN kill.

 

But......... T.I.T.     and Don't take Take life too seriiously.

 

However there was painted on the Hanger doors of an Army Helicopter squadron

 

Mai Pen Rai -  Is a way to DIE

(Never Mind) 

[akampa]

6 minutes ago, Siam Bruce said:

Lastly when you look at the form paying a fine for speeding at a Up-country location they require payment to the DIRECT to the area concerned. They could have made it very simple (Like other Govt agencies Electric water bills etc)  so you could simply pay at any 7/11

I recently had speeding ticket, they give varies options to pay the most convenient was to pay at any  K bank.  

[Siam Bruce]

1 minute ago, akampa said:

I recently had speeding ticket, they give varies options to pay the most convenient was to pay at any  K bank.  

Thanks for that Info

[a977]

15 hours ago, how241 said:

Time for a computer upgrade.

Typical Thailand cart before horse every time, this should have all been done before some bureaucrat engaged his mouth before putting brain into gear.

[tominbkk]

Everything is working somehow, so just let it be.

[1337markus]

16 hours ago, how241 said:

Time for a computer upgrade.

Or even 1 computer purchased, LOL

[thailand49]

I've said this near 10 years ago while they are spending billions trillions on new roads they haven't spend anything on the update to their computer system to link the country so they can track citizens and vehicles movement throughout the country so no surprise here again the honor system just doesn't work.

Second, as noted by another the current or correct address good luck with that too!

[miamiman123]

Where’s BJ when u need him??

[Borzandy]

" Thai drivers ignoring 11 million traffic tickets "

Is it a Big Joke?

[berrec]

Re: “ 

raiboon said he had instructed the IT team of the Royal Thai Police to work out with the Land Transport Department to link the PTM and vehicle registration”

 

Thailand 4.0, 5555, another knee jerk reactive feel good PR stunt,  by the time, if ever,  they get this database Intergration working effectively the offenders will be long gone from this world. 

 

[bristolgeoff]

how many don,t have a license or anything else. 11 million fines unpaid i think they will never be paid,good for the bin only.good luck in getting the money.the only fines that are paid are the ones that farangs pay because of no scooter  license .they are caught and police are they waiting for the cash at the roadside.you see it everyday.pay the money then you can  and the ticket is good for 7 days.this is thailand and change takes forever as we all know

[zib]

I think you guys are missing the most funny thing of this article,

 

"Kraiboon said no fines had been remitted for 1.33 million tickets issued on the spot and 9.838 million tickets mailed out."

 

That means the police lost the money they got for those on the spot tickets? :D

[British Bulldog]

Say 11 million tickets at what an average of 250 baht per fine ? 2,750,000,000 Million baht ! or in real money, around 85 Million USD .... now that sort of money is worth chasing ... pity they don't contract it out to a Private Company to retrieve, if you only returned 10% of the money, that's not a bad living ... 8.5 mill !

[weegee]

Well, unfortunately, they take no notice of the road rules....so why bother with the fine.

 

[pieeyed]

Impound the vehicles until the fines are paid. It was not long ago that gal showed something like 12 tickets she had not paid and she said she had a lot more at home. They still registered her vehicle.

[ChrisY1]

Allowed to go so far that it's now impossible to correct.....the RTP or LTD are equally stupid!

[Time Traveller]

The problem is not the people who don't pay, the problem is they should never be fined in the first place. 

 

The mentally deficient inbred children of the Thai elite study in western countries and then come back to Thailand to adopt these ridiculous western policies which simply will NEVER be effective in Thailand. Simply put 1st world policies do not work in 3rd world countries. 

 

It's so obvious why most of these new traffic tickets are not paid.

1. Overzealous police cameras issue traffic fines on the most stupid reasons - like changing lanes (which is kind of neccesary when street vendors block your lane) - then you end up with millions of tickets issued.

2. Addresses of licenses and car registrations are based upon the house registration of each person.

3. Because of the difficulty, tiresome beaucracy and time needed to remove yourself from one household registration to another, very few thais bother updating their registration address. Hence no-one receives the traffic fines in the mail, nor would they even realize they have been fined by a camera.

 

As long as you have the most beaucratic government regulations + stupid government money raising by issuing fines for everything, then you will have problems collecting this money.

Furthermore, these elites should remember that if you start pxssing off 10's of millions of your own citizens by either extorting money from them in bogus fines or threatening to stop them from registering their cars, you're in danger of sowing the seeds of a revolution. 

 

Edited October 20, 2018 by Time Traveller

[mok199]

Lawless defiant emboldened....This is not a civilized society

[anon467367354]

introducing consequence for one's actions is going to create chaos and massive resistance. Being responsible, for those that have never had to be nor have ever been aware of that "concept", just isn't fair. Just ask them.

 Just try to unspoil a child and see how that works out for you.

[mikebell]

Yesterday I paid a 500 baht fine; my offence, clearly caught on camera, was going through a yellow light!  I had always thought this was to warn of the imminent change to red which I definite know to be illegal.

At every set of lights en route to Banglamung police station, I observed at least three drivers running the red.  I made that a total of 24 offences of serious dangerous driving.  I wonder how many were caught on camera; how many paid the fine?

[Easy Come Easy Go]

joke system 

[Pedrogaz]

It is pretty funny. One of the things I love about Thailand is the total chaos. The more third world the country the more complex and inefficient is its bureacracy....think immigration collecting all those photocopies, never to be looked at again. Why on earth do they do it? I sometimes tell immigration to look in my file as the info I provide hardly ever changes....but no, I have to get new photocopies of the same documents every year. It is like something out of Kafka.....but it is all part of the charm of Thailand and, of course, it affords a lot of discretionary power to low level, underpaid clerks who can get 'tipped' for sorting out small problems.

Changing addresses here is such a major hassle, who could possibly want to go through all that pain just so that they can send you tickets in the mail. I recently traded in a 10 year old pick up which had an address I hadn't lived at for 9 1/2 years. No problem said the dealer.....and there was no problem. Thais tend to move quite a lot when they are young....now why would they take a day off work to sit in the amper just to change addresses?

 

[Nemises]

So, then you will have 11 million vehicles with invalid registrations. What then? 

You’ll then have 11 million more vehicles with invalid registrations to go with the existing 11 million.