edwinchester Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, gunderhill said: You'd be quicker walking almost anywhere in the UK now, many 20mph limits, road signs everywhere more signs and paint than road, people driving not more than 45mph on a road where 60 is allowed, to be honest its painful now. Gone way to far. Speed cameras which do nothing except collect revenue. 25mph in a 20 zone =3 points+ £200 fine, 12 points and banned. Result, a country stultified with over regulation. There's never a "happy medium" on the one hand the UK's over use of regs and Thailand's "total lack of regulation and enforcement" Rules cater for the morons in society and drag everyone down to that level. Agree with you to a point but have to add that on my annual trip back to UK to visit family one of the enjoyable things is being able to relax when I'm driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Sadly when it comes to road safety, everyone thinks they are an expert just because they can drive a car. Until Thailand listens to road safety scientists and redesigns their entire road transport environment the high number of deaths will continue. They need to implement a fully comprehensive road safety policy and not continue on half-baked, knee jerk solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEE TEE Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 11.000 this year next year will much more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 People here do some really stupid things on the roads, presumable because they just aren’t that smart. That’s not something that can be easily and thus cheaply remedied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 11,000 last year and the years prior it was 20-25,000 are they making progress????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, edwinchester said: Agree with you to a point but have to add that on my annual trip back to UK to visit family one of the enjoyable things is being able to relax when I'm driving. Agreed, except its almost to the point of comatose, the best things is knowing there will be no dog running out or foot deep hole or just no road at all for no reason for 50 foot and that the white lines are visible which helps a lot on unlit roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 RE - According to Peerapol, 55-year-old van driver and owner Promwat sae Phu will be fined Bt55,000, and slapped with 180-day suspension of his driving licence plus a six-month suspension of his operating licence. Guessing he shortly will be hired by one of the Taxi Companies who are famous for hiring persons who have been convicted for murder and rape... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 17 hours ago, webfact said: A MEDICAL student and a 10-year-old girl are among the latest victims of Thailand’s notorious roads after their cars crashed head-on in Si Sa Ket province yesterday morning. Seat belts? Child safety seat? Of course not, they mount their children on the front of motorbikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, gunderhill said: You'd be quicker walking almost anywhere in the UK now, many 20mph limits, road signs everywhere more signs and paint than road, people driving not more than 45mph on a road where 60 is allowed, to be honest its painful now. Gone way to far. Speed cameras which do nothing except collect revenue. 25mph in a 20 zone =3 points+ £200 fine, 12 points and banned. Result, a country stultified with over regulation. There's never a "happy medium" on the one hand the UK's over use of regs and Thailand's "total lack of regulation and enforcement" Rules cater for the morons in society and drag everyone down to that level. The UK, the US, Australia, NZ, and perhaps Canada are the worst nations on earth, when it comes to rules and regs. They also happen to be the five most emasculated societies on earth. Not sure if there is any connection to be made there. Except, get out if you can! There has to be a balance. In Thailand the only speeding tickets are issued by cameras. The toy cops need to be involved in the process. They need to be monitoring the highways and pulling people over for reckless driving. Saving lives. Does anyone care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Joke Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 hours ago, sweatalot said: I just looked up the number of traffic deaths in Germany 2017 - it was 3177 the whole year. Same number of population And unlimited speeds allowed on the Autobahn. Ironic, Innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Nothing will happen until they hire and train more police to patrol the highways. There just isn't enough cops to have a western style police force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 When I go on a tour with my Thai family in a Toyota Van I see everyone goes to sleep and gets woke up at the fuel, bathroom stops. Only the passenger beside the driver stays awake. I believe that most Thais are sleep deprived. It really does not surprise me to hear of so many accidents and collisions. Everytime I get back home from a trip to Thailand, I thank my lucky stars that I am still alive and intact. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 7 hours ago, fullcave said: Seat belts? Child safety seat? Of course not, they mount their children on the front of motorbikes. It's a better launch position. Never seen a child seat on a motorcycle/bike, not that they would do much good. On bicycles, many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 If Thais want to kill them selves on the roads let them carry on ! I would never drive a car/motorbike or travel in a van in the country !Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, markaoffy said: If Thais want to kill them selves on the roads let them carry on ! I would never drive a car/motorbike or travel in a van in the country ! Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect How do you get around ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IssanDad Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 FOOD FOR THOUGHT.... 1. Remove the police from any involement in the collection of fines. Have an independent government fines department. Who can only receive money and chase fines. 2. Police can only issues fines and demerit points or arrest and seize a vehicle. 3. Have a visible and physical presence on the road. (not riding around on a 115cc motorbikes, or standing / sitting at check points watching TV/ or acting/pretending that they are actually important and have a necessary presence there beside the road). They also need to be actively patrolling known accident zones, in real patrol cars, so there presence is seen and felt by road users. 4. Confiscate vehicles and have them destroyed for known/repeat offenders. To send a strong and clear message. Shame the person and destroy the car on television. (weekly offenders and there cars can do a Friday night live show of shame and humiliation) 5. Basically probably forgot the current RTP. Go and train a new generation of traffic police with the right attitude and the means to do it. The funds are currently being used to payout families and victims of current horrendous car accidents. The pay outs by the government for people that are killed or maimed would probably almost fund new police cars..... The parents of the student who died as a result of bus turn over in Khon Kaen will be paid out Baht 650,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 We were driving down the highway last week and there were 8 & 10 wheel trucks along with overloaded pu trucks lined up parked on the side of the road. Hundreds of them so I asked my friend what was going on, he said police checkpoint up ahead they are waiting for it to close. Sure enough, the trucks were lined up until about 20 meters before the checkpoint waiting for it to close. Very clever as the appeared to have outsmarted the police who obviously had no clue as to what all those illegal trucks were doing at the side of the road leading to the checkpoint! ???? After a few questions like "where you go" and looking in the windows we were on our way. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 11 hours ago, spidermike007 said: The UK, the US, Australia, NZ, and perhaps Canada are the worst nations on earth, when it comes to rules and regs. They also happen to be the five most emasculated societies on earth. Not sure if there is any connection to be made there. Except, get out if you can! At least those citizens can get out of those countries because, despite all their driving, their lives are intact. ???? Emasculated? Hmmm............ ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallander4 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Not to mention the 5-10,000 that die in the ambulance or hospital after ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 How do you get around ?BTS mrt bus walk Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Wallander4 said: Not to mention the 5-10,000 that die in the ambulance or hospital after ... You make a good point here....Thai emergency services are so poor they must contribute considerably to the country's death rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulikens Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 and it will just get worse & worse as more thais have more money more of em will be on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 7:22 AM, edwinchester said: Reading World Bank figures Germany has a population about 15 million more than Thailand so the figures are even worse. My home country, the UK, has only a few million less than Thailand and the official death toll in 2017 was 1710. This is why nothing is ever achieved - both TV posters and the Thai authorities take this naive and simplistic approach without any reference to the science behind road safety - the fact that is it far more than just driving means that most "critics" fall flat on their face right from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, paulikens said: and it will just get worse & worse as more thais have more money more of em will be on the road. Again an over simplistic interpretation of what is happening There are who stats that relate to traffic numbers/density and KM travelled per vehicle or per person but if you want to go Thai bashing, it's best to ignore those figures as they show the problem is far more=e complicated than just "bad driving". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Again an over simplistic interpretation of what is happening There are who stats that relate to traffic numbers/density and KM travelled per vehicle or per person but if you want to go Thai bashing, it's best to ignore those figures as they show the problem is far more=e complicated than just "bad driving".Complicated it ain’t ! And bad driving is the problem !Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 hours ago, markaoffy said: Complicated it ain’t ! And bad driving is the problem ! Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app You are making a classic misjudgment as are so many people when it comes to road safety....this is why no progress us made. You may notice it's called "road safety" not "driving"'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 hours ago, kwilco said: Again an over simplistic interpretation of what is happening There are who stats that relate to traffic numbers/density and KM travelled per vehicle or per person but if you want to go Thai bashing, it's best to ignore those figures as they show the problem is far more=e complicated than just "bad driving". Bad driving (along with training and licensing) IS THE ROOT PROBLEM! Sure, there are many engineering and enforcement solutions but they would merely be icing on the cake. If the 'cake' is stale then engineering, enforcement, etc. will only make a small improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 4:47 AM, Pattaya28 said: If this statistic of 11,000 is correct, then the road deaths have halved. I doubt this. The road deaths was about 27,000 per annum. 84 a day including the ones who die later. I see somewhere. Nothing to be proud of is it? The world's #1 place to holiday, and possibly die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 hours ago, lvr181 said: Bad driving (along with training and licensing) IS THE ROOT PROBLEM! Sure, there are many engineering and enforcement solutions but they would merely be icing on the cake. If the 'cake' is stale then engineering, enforcement, etc. will only make a small improvement. There is no point arguing with a flat-farther ....... There isn't enough space on Thaivisa to put one straight when they don't even grasp the fundamentals ... So it's best just point out the fallacious premises and let them work it out on their own .....If they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokakrishna Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 It must be the Thai culture. All newbies farangs are bragging about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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